Halls of Torment, Defeat Lyris Doppleganger issues....

Maestro_Sartori

Hello

Okay i'm on this storyline quest which is solo. I'm level 31 archer/duel weild. Top of the line gear for my level.

I have lyris Titanborn for my fighting partner, which she is pretty much worthless in this fight. Swings a few times and either runs away or just stands there like a stump.

Other issue is the Doppleganger is hitting me when I'm not even close to her, way out of range of that axe. I"m running, dodging, rolling, still get hit no matter what. Tried sneak and thats worthless too as she just comes running right towards me leave real Lyris once again standing there like a stump...

Is this by design? Because if it is no way can I defeat her, right now anyway.

LimeFox

Don't feel bad, search the forums and you'll find dozens of posts about people who're utterly wiped by this boss again and again. For some reason, she's actually harder than average Harvesters, she has several glitches like the bubbles not dying and too many spawning, and I and several other people can't kill her at level 38.

It's absurd, but I'd say if your character build is sufficient for everything else in the game right now, just ignore it till level 40 or so. It's literally the only thing in the game thus far that's made me want to rage quit. I did this quest at level 40 on my other character, and seriously - even the final boss of the GAME is easier to kill.

Alternatively, you could just wait till they allow grouping on the main quest line or nerf things. Because there are enough people complaining about it by the looks of things it's bound to happen sooner or later.

starkerealm

LimeFox wrote: »

It's literally the only thing in the game thus far that's made me want to rage quit.

Oh good, that wasn't just me swearing at my monitor and scaring the cats.

Axewaffle

I had no troubles killing her at level 30 as a Stam based medium armor nightblade vampire using duelweild..

Its a fairly simple fight, even without your partner all you have to do is constantly circle her, before she casts her cone axe thing she stops moving so its easily avoidable by circle strafing, and then you run over the orbs to prevent her healing.. its very easy.

I'd like to add that my partner also does nothing, but they never really do anyway, so it isnt much of a loss.

BaKaNoOB

It's no problem until you menage to catch the way to do it.
I defeated it with no issues on the 2-3 try don't remember.
1 st boss- Perma Hold block , then siphoning or skill that drains health from the boss mana related (stamina is used for blocking) , drink stamina potion when you stamina goes down, kill some skeleton, hold block etc.
Dead... doppelganger
2 nd boss- almost same tactic
3 rd boss - same
Ps. stay close to your partner NPC in this quest so it kills skeletons , aslo try not get git when doppelganger makes the AOE magic especially for the 1 st boss ,
Also for the last boss kill the sheres fefore they reach her, they die in one hit

NightWatch

I have to agree with the OP, this boss is one of several reasons why I told my friends not to buy this game, the Lyris Doppleganger is grossly over powered, the posters who say it's easy are full of crap. Shoot the balls, no problem until the lag kicks in and you can't shoot anything and of course your weapons target her and not the balls; stay back from the attacks, except she's faster then you; etc.

starkerealm

NightWatch wrote: »

I have to agree with the OP, this boss is one of several reasons why I told my friends not to buy this game, the Lyris Doppleganger is grossly over powered, the posters who say it's easy are full of crap. Shoot the balls, no problem until the lag kicks in and you can't shoot anything and of course your weapons target her and not the balls; stay back from the attacks, except she's faster then you; etc.

I'm actually with you. If I wanted to get my face ground off by BS difficulty spikes, I would have stuck with TSW's Scenarios.

NightWatch

Finally got her at lvl 40, only 10 levels up from the quest level, in the end it was my AOE that did the job, use it when the balls are close to her and it will get them all and apparently recharge your health as well. The boss before and the boss after were relatively straightforward, what a joke

otis67

As a 36 NB DW, I thought she was quite easy. Just let Lyris, if you brought Lyris, I don't know about Tharn, take the beating and kill the orbs when they come. should go down quite easy.

starkerealm

otis67 wrote: »

As a 36 NB DW, I thought she was quite easy. Just let Lyris, if you brought Lyris, I don't know about Tharn, take the beating and kill the orbs when they come. should go down quite easy.

Lyris would charge up to her, and just stand there and watch, for me. So... yeah, not an option at all.

LimeFox

Except here's the problem - the spheres don't die in one hit for me. They take 3-4 hits. With a blue critical chance weapon and all the crit buff I can stack. And my bow occassionally targets her instead of the orbs, and my companion does nothing, and when I circle her I get stuck on the scenery, for pete's sake. She's occassionally done a knock back blow and put me IN the scenery, in which case I can't move, can't dodge, and die.

Finally, my AoE is my ultimate. That's it. I can't exactly spam it. If I was playing a templar or dragonknight, I'd have killed her easily at 35. If the mechanics of the fight WORKED, I would say it was fine. But they don't, they're broken, and it just adds artificial difficulty. Either fix the glitches, allow grouping, or nerf the boss. But there's really a lot that can be fixed with that fight without needing to nerf it.

I don't feel a sense of satisfaction after killing a boss ten levels below me that I've died to 30+ times. I expect to die a few times to learn the mechanics, sure, but not again and again. It doesn't feel exciting or fun, it feels like I should play something else.

(For the inevitable trolls who'll tell me to just leave - I may well do that. After my job writing about this game is up though.) I can name so many games I've gone through on Hard mode and insane and ENJOYED... but that was intended difficulty. This is just glitches. You can't tell me the final boss of the game is harder than this. They aren't. Final boss was a faceroll compared to this stupid harvester.

Rousseaux

Archer didn't manage to kill her after 1st/2nd try? How is that even possible?
You have CC skill, knockback, stamina regenerating and crit granting invisibility, potions at least...
Wait until Mannimarco then...

Maestro_Sartori

otis67 wrote: »

As a 36 NB DW, I thought she was quite easy. Just let Lyris, if you brought Lyris, I don't know about Tharn, take the beating and kill the orbs when they come. should go down quite easy.

Uh, did you read my post?

KerinKor

Axewaffle wrote: »

I had no troubles killing her at level 30 as a Stam based medium armor nightblade vampire

Well, that says it all really, seeing as how OP Vamps are in most other aspects of the game.

Sorry, but you're making the OP's point, you beat in on-level with a wholly OP 'class'.

Seroczynski

I died several times at the first boss of this quest, playing as a Dragonknight. The Lyris fight was extremely simple compared to the first in my case. Was able to defeat her on the first try. Just circle around her and be sure to destroy the healing globes coming towards her, they will also heal you.

Also:

NightWatch wrote: »

I have to agree with the OP, this boss is one of several reasons why I told my friends not to buy this game, the Lyris Doppleganger is grossly over powered, the posters who say it's easy are full of crap.

Just LOL

p.hurst1b16_ESO

Got her at lvl 34. So did my partner. Me DK tank. She Sorc Heal.

Trick is to block the power attack and use the stun time for damage.
Stay on the defense most of the time and it is ok.

Should have taken the mage with you, he is far more useful.

Also have some destro staff on DK for fun so was able to kite her through aoe a bit too.

Partner did it mostly with kiting and Dark Crystal as well as self heal/shield.

Yankee

Took all 4 classes thorough this quest within 2 levels of it. Even when the followers actually fight they are usually soon defeated and stand there. Still, although it is a tough fight it is not that hard.

Slotting some sort of heal and ranged DPS on any class helps a bunch in this sort of fight. People who refuse to do so may struggle on many fights past 30.

But don't worry, instead they will nerf it just like they have the rest of the solo fights.

KalGrey

I had the same problem with her & died 2x, the healing globes are what causes the problem as some people already mentioned. What I did was to use an aoe damage on her just before the globes arrived & it killed them, then she was easy enough to kill. I was level 35 templar.

TeliosMadronin

Yeah, not sure what people are whining about. Did this at 31 on first attempt with Lyris as my worthless companion. gg

Oolou

I think the problem with the quest is not the level of difficulty of the mob - its the lack of aid from the NPC helper. If that was working so they were effectively tanking, then the quest would be doable.

I'm going to assume that the NPC helper bugging out is not WAI. And so the quest difficulty is higher as a result.

I hope they don't nerf the mob. I do hope they sort out the NPC probs.

Getting one aoe ability and one healing ability is kinda sensible though if you are soloing.

alterfenixeb17_ESO

Oolou wrote: »

I think the problem with the quest is not the level of difficulty of the mob - its the lack of aid from the NPC helper. If that was working so they were effectively tanking, then the quest would be doable.

I'm going to assume that the NPC helper bugging out is not WAI. And so the quest difficulty is higher as a result.

I hope they don't nerf the mob. I do hope they sort out the NPC probs.

Getting one aoe ability and one healing ability is kinda sensible though if you are soloing.

Well they better do that as judging from forum this + Molag Bal quest appear to be the biggest problems with the main story stuff. Also Mannimarco fight is very same deal - Lyris has trouble with helping and as a result fight is much more difficult than it is supposed to be.

Also with enough defense and hp you don't need self heals for that fight (consider this as an alternative). Balls heal for enough to keep player alive assuming player can deal with them.

Maestro_Sartori

TeliosMadronin wrote: »

Yeah, not sure what people are whining about. Did this at 31 on first attempt with Lyris as my worthless companion. gg

Well gratz to you, your obviously a better player then everybody else.

Alpha_Protocol

No issues for my wife (sorc) or myself (templar) finishing (without a single wipe) at level 30.

Make sure you are buffed and have pots quickslotted.

Good luck!

Edit: don't forget, a well timed ultimate can make a difference too.

pmn100b16_ESO

I did this on level with my DW/Bow NB and don't really remember it, so doubt its very hard. And honestly, if a melee mob can be cc'd, there is nothing that a bow user can't kill. If there's orbs, melee them.

Desdemonte

LOL I totally know where you're coming from OP!

I did this quest at level 33 on my Vamp NB Dual Wield/ Bow build. This character is very powerful, but that Lyris *** had my number lol.

I was swearing like a banshee in TS as she killed me time and again. I'm positive she and the orbs we bugged because my buddies were doing the quest at the same time with minimal difficulty. Mind you, one was a Templar and the other a DK.

When I killed Doshia, it was a cake walk. I just interrupted her everything she tried to cast, and she couldn't even get the orbs off, let alone a damaging spell. I tried the technique again and it was total fail. The orbs were chain spawning and I would swing at them and they wouldn't die. I had to physically tab target them individually to kill them. Welp, there's no way that's going to work when you are toe to toe with her, trying to interrupt her, beat her down and have 4 orbs to kill, which virtually respawn immediately. I tried every frigging combo of melee skills I had, but could not bring her down anywhere near close enough before she would kill me. I chased the orbs, she killed me. I ignored the orbs, I couldn't get her health down past 3/4. I must have died 30 times! Man was I pissed. Being a vamp is powerful, but in drawn out boss fights it can be a hindrance. Especially if you always forget to feed yourself down to stage 1 before these damned quests like I do lol. And if there's fire like the third boss. Very ouchy. You can only Drain once per mob, so one of a Vamp's most powerful melee tactics is rendered essentially useless.

So I figured it was Bow time. I had tried it earlier in my string of deaths but there was no way I could shoot the orbs so I promptly abandoned it. After I figured out I had to actually tab target each orb, I got things to work. Essentially, it was tab target each orb quickly, kill them, Magnum shot the ***, get a couple plinks in, run and repeat. Whittled her down on my 2nd try with my bow technique.

Moral of the story is she is definitely beatable, and easily too (I had completely broken gear by the time I beat her) if you can happen upon the correct technique for your build earlier rather than later. I have to agree though that she was ridiculously difficult to find the technique vs other bosses I've come across.

Damn I hated her by the time I was finished though lol.

Mememe

I did this as a 30 and didn't die once in the whole instance as a cloth wearing sorc.

Either some builds are really op and some are useless or it's a ltp issue. I don't know which.

That was with that useless NPC who just stand there too...

Tarwin

As a melee Templar with limited healing. I kept running away from her until she lost interest in me and attacked Lyris. Yes Lyris was next to useless (so much for immersion) and barely poke at her, but if I didn't hit her then Lyris' attempts were enough to switch agro. Once pre-occupied with Lyris then would launch in assault and then back off again (as well as dealing with the healing orbs)

I died once, just watching the mechanics then the second time it took about 15 minutes, but in the end victorius

Yankee

Mememe wrote: »

I did this as a 30 and didn't die once in the whole instance as a cloth wearing sorc.

Either some builds are really op and some are useless or it's a ltp issue. I don't know which.

I will say that at level 38 my cloth Sorc seems more powerful than the other three classes to me. I think I died 3 or maybe 4 times to 38 questing. Of course the fourth time through EP I know the mobs and quests pretty well.

Hardly anything lives long enough to get in range to touch me because of high DPS ranged skills and knockdowns. I have not needed to swap to my 2 hand weapon in 20 levels.

My other classes had a harder time on this fight because my skills/passives were put mostly into melee and tank spells, so pulling out my unleveled bow did not hit very hard.

TLDR; I think fights like these are tougher for someone who specced primary melee. If so, that is not really fair.

starkerealm

Yankee wrote: »

Mememe wrote: »

I did this as a 30 and didn't die once in the whole instance as a cloth wearing sorc.

Either some builds are really op and some are useless or it's a ltp issue. I don't know which.

I will say that at level 38 my cloth Sorc seems more powerful than the other three classes to me. I think I died 3 or maybe 4 times to 38 questing. Of course the fourth time through EP I know the mobs and quests pretty well.

Hardly anything lives long enough to get in range to touch me because of high DPS ranged skills and knockdowns. I have not needed to swap to my 2 hand weapon in 20 levels.

My other classes had a harder time on this fight because my skills/passives were put mostly into melee and tank spells, so pulling out my unleveled bow did not hit very hard.

TLDR; I think fights like these are tougher for someone who specced primary melee. If so, that is not really fair.

Yeah, these fights are murder for players that have specialized in single target damage or melee, and borderline impossible if they're both.

yenkin2001b14_ESO

I could not figure it out at level 30, I will go back in a level or two with some armour upgrades. I am sure it is just getting the right build but for now, I will just wait till I get a bit more DPS going.

Shillen

Killed her on 3 characters at level without dying once...

No offense, but I hope they don't keep nerfing all these fights.

If you're failing it's because you're not playing well enough. It's not because the fight is unfair. Keep trying until you get it.