Remove vampire ultimate from PvP!

aragornis · April 2014

In a year it will be soo funny really good game died cuz of 1 ultimate and devs team being unwilling to do anything about it

well its fair they lose jobs, they *** it

Tandara · April 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

Aldarund wrote: »

Vampires have so many disadvantages.. If u remove ultimate they will just piece of junk, that are totaly unplayable.

How many?
1st: +50% incoming fire damge - easely to compensate with racial passives or fire resist enchants.
2nd: -75% HP regen. This is regen only! This is not affects on potions, heals or leeching - so nobody cares of it.
3rd: Fighter guild abilities.

But what advantages?
1. "I'm going to kill your raid"+"God-mode" Bat swarm morph
2. "Try to catch me"+"God mode" Mist Form morph
3. Increased magika and stamina regen
4. "Who said I'm afraid of fire?" -50% of ANY incoming damage passive if HP drops to 50%
5. "Who said I have decreased HP regen?" passive improovement of HP regen at stages 2, 3 and 4
6. "I've lost my sneaking speed penalty" last vampire passive
7. "My skills will be endless" -60% of vampire skills (also as ultimate) cost

Also, look at the WW skill tree: it's just pointless for PVP and PVE both! But this not for that thread...

1. Somehow legit aclaim but can be easily avoided at all.
2. Invasion fix it.
3. Not worth to mention because you're capped anyways.
4. Skill is bugged you've to relog everytime you die to gain vampire passives and than your vampire stage - mana is bugged(back to stage 1)
5. Not worth to mention.
6. Noone uses sneaking except for ambushes. (while you stand still, surprise)
7. Bugged as hell see 4.
8. TY! Just don't post if you don't know what you're talking about.

Olgit · April 2014

It's a multitude of issues, not just the skill set. Armor & Class also play their parts.

It's causing issues though, throwing the war and balance out, so in that sense, I'd remove Vampire and Warewolf from PvP, thus relying on the games basics skill sets for war.

SilverWF · April 2014

This thread is not about "OMG I can't kill some batswarmer"
This thread is about "everyone, who wanna be viable in Cyrodiil, must be vampire"
I really hate if Cyrodiil will turned into "how many batswarmers your raid have" soon...

Sunrock · April 2014

@AlliN‌ No point argue with ESO fanboys. There is nothing in this game that is buged or unbalanced according to them. And if you show them evidence of the facts you're going to be called a *** idiot for not understanding how good this game is.

Nyxx · April 2014

The people who think the issue has to do with only the vampire skill line or bat swarm alone make me laugh. They have no idea what they're talking about.

Vampire does not need any nerf. The mistform healing issue does seem to be a bug that needs to be fixed, but that's about it.

AlliN · April 2014

anyway if youre defending that DK Vampire by saying with reflective scales and other passives, then clearly vampire isnt at fault but his class as a DK is what making vamps OP

You see, again it's not my english that fails, as you accused me of being "less literate" before, but yours. Tell me, where in my post I defend him? All I wanted was to show you, that you would argue even with a guy who is actively using current bug, telling you that your ideas of handling vampire problem are just a bunch of nonsesne. If a person who actualy uses this at high rank is saying that fire damage does not work, and you still are holding to your argument, then, by all means, feel free to say anything, becasue there is clearly no way anyone could reason with you.

This is my last post to reply to you because clearly you are trying to pull me down to your level.

Sorry to pull you to a level of conversation, where people are actualy using arguments.

aragornis · April 2014

Sunrock wrote: »

@AlliN‌ No point argue with ESO fanboys. There is nothing in this game that is buged or unbalanced according to them. And if you show them evidence of the facts you're going to be called a *** idiot for not understanding how good this game is.

Not an ESO fanboys dude, vampires! You are arguing with vampires that dont wanna to be skilled to kill ppl, they want to be overpowered and farm other ppl!

WitchAngel · April 2014

@blackwolf7

blackwolf7 wrote: »

AlliN wrote: »

The spell resists from passives doenst even come close to the 50% dmg taken from fire debuff of vamps.

the 50% dmg taken means the dmg taken not 50% reduce resistance against fire.

You see, blackwolf, that's exactly the stupidity you've shown attacking my post saying "do you even understand english?". Now, do ->you<- even understand english. Guy that is DK Vampire, with reflective scales, is telling you he HIMSELF thinks it should be nerfed becasue his build clearly shows fire damage is laughable to him anyways - but you still tell A VAMPIRE GUY that contradicts you that "no, no, you get lotsa damage".

So, how's that english again, do you realise that you argue with a guy that actualy uses current bug and exploit, and you still are opposing him...

If that's not the definition of bonehead behavior, hard to say what is.

This is my last post to reply to you because clearly you are trying to pull me down to your level.

anyway if youre defending that DK Vampire by saying with reflective scales and other passives, then clearly vampire isnt at fault but his class as a DK is what making vamps OP

Honestly, I think you are just scared that the game will get balanced, and show you your true mediocre skills.

aragornis · April 2014

Nyxx wrote: »

The people who think the issue has to do with only the vampire skill line or bat swarm alone make me laugh. They have no idea what they're talking about.

Vampire does not need any nerf. The mistform healing issue does seem to be a bug that needs to be fixed, but that's about it.

Is there any chance, maybe, just maybe, i mean any chance at all, that you sir might be a vampire in game? NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! NO WAAAAAAAAAY! Pathetic...

limeli8 · April 2014

Quit whining plz about bat swarm, aoe cap nerfs it the hardest, it wont keep anyone alive in a middle of zerg anymore. Stacking ult cost reduction items should be nerfed howerver.
A good DK non vamp and especially emperor will kill whole raid anyways.

aragornis · April 2014

limeli8 wrote: »

Quit whining plz about bat swarm, aoe cap nerfs it the hardest, it wont keep anyone alive in a middle of zerg anymore. Stacking ult cost reduction items should be nerfed howerver.
A good DK non vamp and especially emperor will kill whole raid anyways.

HE HAS RED EYES! I TELL YOU!!!!!!!

Nyxx · April 2014

aragornis wrote: »

Nyxx wrote: »

The people who think the issue has to do with only the vampire skill line or bat swarm alone make me laugh. They have no idea what they're talking about.

Vampire does not need any nerf. The mistform healing issue does seem to be a bug that needs to be fixed, but that's about it.

Is there any chance, maybe, just maybe, i mean any chance at all, that you sir might be a vampire in game? NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! NO WAAAAAAAAAY! Pathetic...

Is there any chance that maybe, just maybe, you would be able to explain the build that these unstoppable vampires are using? I highly doubt you actually know what skills they are allowing them to wipe out your zergs with no effort.

Yes, I am a vampire. I don't have that unstoppable build, though. So it's not hard to kill me if you have any damn skill. My ultimate builds at a reasonable pace because I'm a NB with bow/duel wield. I'm not a DK/Vamp with a specific build so I have nothing to do with the problem you're complaining about.

Maybe you should attempt to understand how those players are doing what they're doing before whining about how an unrelated skill line needs to be nerfed until it's useless.

Chances are you're going to discredit everything I say after "Yes, I'm a vampire" because you sound like a child that is raging because they died in PVP. Chances are, people like you are going to get vampire nerfed. I'll get cured, move on, and laugh when those players use a slightly modifed build to destroy you again.

WitchAngel · April 2014

Nyxx wrote: »

aragornis wrote: »

Nyxx wrote: »

The people who think the issue has to do with only the vampire skill line or bat swarm alone make me laugh. They have no idea what they're talking about.

Vampire does not need any nerf. The mistform healing issue does seem to be a bug that needs to be fixed, but that's about it.

Is there any chance, maybe, just maybe, i mean any chance at all, that you sir might be a vampire in game? NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! NO WAAAAAAAAAY! Pathetic...

Is there any chance that maybe, just maybe, you would be able to explain the build that these unstoppable vampires are using? I highly doubt you actually know what skills and passives they have that are allowing them to wipe out your zergs with no effort.

Yes, I am a vampire. I don't have that unstoppable build, though. So it's not hard to kill me if you have any damn skill. My ultimate skill builds at a reasonable pace because I'm a NB with bow/duel wield. I'm not a DK/Vamp with a specific build so I have nothing to do with the problem you're complaining about.

Maybe you should attempt to understand how those players are doing what they're doing before whining about how an unreleated skill line needs to be nerfed until it's useless.

Chances are you're going to discredit everything I say after "Yes, I'm a vampire" because you sound like a child that is raging because they died in PVP and you're not thinking rationally. Chances are, people like you are going to get vampire nerfed. I'll get cured, move on, and laugh when those players use a slightly modified build to destory you again.

Ofcourse you aren't unstoppable. But that does not mean you are not overpowered.

If it takes a lot of understanding to kill a vampire, and that skill line only, it clearly is overpowered. It also takes a particular skill setup to kill one. You have to base a good bit of your hotbar around killing a vampire, where as a vampire doesn't base his hotbar around killing anything particular.

It is overpowered. Just accept it, and start learning to play properly, without this OP'ed setup.

Nyxx · April 2014

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WitchAngel wrote: »

Nyxx wrote: »

aragornis wrote: »

Nyxx wrote: »

The people who think the issue has to do with only the vampire skill line or bat swarm alone make me laugh. They have no idea what they're talking about.

Vampire does not need any nerf. The mistform healing issue does seem to be a bug that needs to be fixed, but that's about it.

Is there any chance, maybe, just maybe, i mean any chance at all, that you sir might be a vampire in game? NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! NO WAAAAAAAAAY! Pathetic...

Is there any chance that maybe, just maybe, you would be able to explain the build that these unstoppable vampires are using? I highly doubt you actually know what skills and passives they have that are allowing them to wipe out your zergs with no effort.

Yes, I am a vampire. I don't have that unstoppable build, though. So it's not hard to kill me if you have any damn skill. My ultimate skill builds at a reasonable pace because I'm a NB with bow/duel wield. I'm not a DK/Vamp with a specific build so I have nothing to do with the problem you're complaining about.

Maybe you should attempt to understand how those players are doing what they're doing before whining about how an unreleated skill line needs to be nerfed until it's useless.

Chances are you're going to discredit everything I say after "Yes, I'm a vampire" because you sound like a child that is raging because they died in PVP and you're not thinking rationally. Chances are, people like you are going to get vampire nerfed. I'll get cured, move on, and laugh when those players use a slightly modified build to destory you again.

Ofcourse you aren't unstoppable. But that does not mean you are not overpowered.

If it takes a lot of understanding to kill a vampire, and that skill line only, it clearly is overpowered. It also takes a particular skill setup to kill one. You have to base a good bit of your hotbar around killing a vampire, where as a vampire doesn't base his hotbar around killing anything particular.

It is overpowered. Just accept it, and start learning to play properly, without this OP'ed setup.

I figured you wouldn't be able to explain the build to me, because you have no clue what you're talking about.

If you have had problems killing me, I pity you.

It's a SPECIFIC BUILD that is OP and you're overlooking it. It's hilarious.

aragornis · April 2014

Nyxx wrote: »

aragornis wrote: »

Nyxx wrote: »

The people who think the issue has to do with only the vampire skill line or bat swarm alone make me laugh. They have no idea what they're talking about.

Vampire does not need any nerf. The mistform healing issue does seem to be a bug that needs to be fixed, but that's about it.

Is there any chance, maybe, just maybe, i mean any chance at all, that you sir might be a vampire in game? NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! NO WAAAAAAAAAY! Pathetic...

Is there any chance that maybe, just maybe, you would be able to explain the build that these unstoppable vampires are using? I highly doubt you actually know what skills they are allowing them to wipe out your zergs with no effort.

Yes, I am a vampire. I don't have that unstoppable build, though. So it's not hard to kill me if you have any damn skill. My ultimate builds at a reasonable pace because I'm a NB with bow/duel wield. I'm not a DK/Vamp with a specific build so I have nothing to do with the problem you're complaining about.

Maybe you should attempt to understand how those players are doing what they're doing before whining about how an unrelated skill line needs to be nerfed until it's useless.

Chances are you're going to discredit everything I say after "Yes, I'm a vampire" because you sound like a child that is raging because they died in PVP. Chances are, people like you are going to get vampire nerfed. I'll get cured, move on, and laugh when those players use a slightly modifed build to destroy you again.

i read this:
blablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablaYES I AM A VAMPIRE
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blackwolf7 · April 2014

Nyxx wrote: »

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WitchAngel wrote: »

Nyxx wrote: »

aragornis wrote: »

Nyxx wrote: »

The people who think the issue has to do with only the vampire skill line or bat swarm alone make me laugh. They have no idea what they're talking about.

Vampire does not need any nerf. The mistform healing issue does seem to be a bug that needs to be fixed, but that's about it.

Is there any chance, maybe, just maybe, i mean any chance at all, that you sir might be a vampire in game? NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! NO WAAAAAAAAAY! Pathetic...

Is there any chance that maybe, just maybe, you would be able to explain the build that these unstoppable vampires are using? I highly doubt you actually know what skills and passives they have that are allowing them to wipe out your zergs with no effort.

Yes, I am a vampire. I don't have that unstoppable build, though. So it's not hard to kill me if you have any damn skill. My ultimate skill builds at a reasonable pace because I'm a NB with bow/duel wield. I'm not a DK/Vamp with a specific build so I have nothing to do with the problem you're complaining about.

Maybe you should attempt to understand how those players are doing what they're doing before whining about how an unreleated skill line needs to be nerfed until it's useless.

Chances are you're going to discredit everything I say after "Yes, I'm a vampire" because you sound like a child that is raging because they died in PVP and you're not thinking rationally. Chances are, people like you are going to get vampire nerfed. I'll get cured, move on, and laugh when those players use a slightly modified build to destory you again.

Ofcourse you aren't unstoppable. But that does not mean you are not overpowered.

If it takes a lot of understanding to kill a vampire, and that skill line only, it clearly is overpowered. It also takes a particular skill setup to kill one. You have to base a good bit of your hotbar around killing a vampire, where as a vampire doesn't base his hotbar around killing anything particular.

It is overpowered. Just accept it, and start learning to play properly, without this OP'ed setup.

I figured you wouldn't be able to explain the build to me, because you have no clue what you're talking about.

If you have had problems killing me, I pity you.

It's a SPECIFIC BUILD that is OP and you're overlooking it. It's hilarious.

Dont stoop down to their level i tell you, they drag your intelligence down to their level and beat you with experience.

It seems that no matter how much you explain to them, they can only understand a few parts of it and from there base their arguments. scrubs will be scrubs they wouldnt be able to explain it because they themselves didnt experience it. I am 100% sure these people who are calling nerfs to vamps are those who didnt actually pvp but get rolled by a vamp once and started crying "NERF VAMP NERF VAMP THEY ARE OP"

wsvdyk · April 2014

Aldarund wrote: »

Vampires have so many disadvantages.. If u remove ultimate they will just piece of junk, that are totaly unplayable.

I do agree with you, I'm a vamp my self yes! but 50% more dmg for fire, you don't feed for 30 min you will get 50% less health regen (this can be downgraded if you are lvl 8 in vamp, this is quit hard) so the ultimate needs to stay, if the vamp ultimate need to go from PVP so need the 50% more fire dmg go and 50% less health regen go if you are in PVP, and all the other ultimate from other perks need to go, if a vamp can't use his/her ultimate no body should use it!!

aragornis · April 2014

blackwolf7 wrote: »

Nyxx wrote: »

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WitchAngel wrote: »

Nyxx wrote: »

aragornis wrote: »

Nyxx wrote: »

The people who think the issue has to do with only the vampire skill line or bat swarm alone make me laugh. They have no idea what they're talking about.

Vampire does not need any nerf. The mistform healing issue does seem to be a bug that needs to be fixed, but that's about it.

Is there any chance, maybe, just maybe, i mean any chance at all, that you sir might be a vampire in game? NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! NO WAAAAAAAAAY! Pathetic...

Is there any chance that maybe, just maybe, you would be able to explain the build that these unstoppable vampires are using? I highly doubt you actually know what skills and passives they have that are allowing them to wipe out your zergs with no effort.

Yes, I am a vampire. I don't have that unstoppable build, though. So it's not hard to kill me if you have any damn skill. My ultimate skill builds at a reasonable pace because I'm a NB with bow/duel wield. I'm not a DK/Vamp with a specific build so I have nothing to do with the problem you're complaining about.

Maybe you should attempt to understand how those players are doing what they're doing before whining about how an unreleated skill line needs to be nerfed until it's useless.

Chances are you're going to discredit everything I say after "Yes, I'm a vampire" because you sound like a child that is raging because they died in PVP and you're not thinking rationally. Chances are, people like you are going to get vampire nerfed. I'll get cured, move on, and laugh when those players use a slightly modified build to destory you again.

Ofcourse you aren't unstoppable. But that does not mean you are not overpowered.

If it takes a lot of understanding to kill a vampire, and that skill line only, it clearly is overpowered. It also takes a particular skill setup to kill one. You have to base a good bit of your hotbar around killing a vampire, where as a vampire doesn't base his hotbar around killing anything particular.

It is overpowered. Just accept it, and start learning to play properly, without this OP'ed setup.

I figured you wouldn't be able to explain the build to me, because you have no clue what you're talking about.

If you have had problems killing me, I pity you.

It's a SPECIFIC BUILD that is OP and you're overlooking it. It's hilarious.

Dont stoop down to their level i tell you, they drag your intelligence down to their level and beat you with experience.

It seems that no matter how much you explain to them, they can only understand a few parts of it and from there base their arguments. scrubs will be scrubs they wouldnt be able to explain it because they themselves didnt experience it. I am 100% sure these people who are calling nerfs to vamps are those who didnt actually pvp but get rolled by a vamp once and started crying "NERF VAMP NERF VAMP THEY ARE OP"

Dude!!! You got bitten!!!!!!

Nyxx · April 2014

.

aragornis wrote: »

Nyxx wrote: »

aragornis wrote: »

Nyxx wrote: »

The people who think the issue has to do with only the vampire skill line or bat swarm alone make me laugh. They have no idea what they're talking about.

Vampire does not need any nerf. The mistform healing issue does seem to be a bug that needs to be fixed, but that's about it.

Is there any chance, maybe, just maybe, i mean any chance at all, that you sir might be a vampire in game? NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! NO WAAAAAAAAAY! Pathetic...

Is there any chance that maybe, just maybe, you would be able to explain the build that these unstoppable vampires are using? I highly doubt you actually know what skills they are allowing them to wipe out your zergs with no effort.

Yes, I am a vampire. I don't have that unstoppable build, though. So it's not hard to kill me if you have any damn skill. My ultimate builds at a reasonable pace because I'm a NB with bow/duel wield. I'm not a DK/Vamp with a specific build so I have nothing to do with the problem you're complaining about.

Maybe you should attempt to understand how those players are doing what they're doing before whining about how an unrelated skill line needs to be nerfed until it's useless.

Chances are you're going to discredit everything I say after "Yes, I'm a vampire" because you sound like a child that is raging because they died in PVP. Chances are, people like you are going to get vampire nerfed. I'll get cured, move on, and laugh when those players use a slightly modifed build to destroy you again.

i read this:
blablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablaYES I AM A VAMPIRE
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This is the sort of thing I hope ZOS reads. So they can understand the intelligence of those who complain about the vampire skill line.

aragornis · April 2014

Nyxx wrote: »

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aragornis wrote: »

Nyxx wrote: »

aragornis wrote: »

Nyxx wrote: »

The people who think the issue has to do with only the vampire skill line or bat swarm alone make me laugh. They have no idea what they're talking about.

Vampire does not need any nerf. The mistform healing issue does seem to be a bug that needs to be fixed, but that's about it.

Is there any chance, maybe, just maybe, i mean any chance at all, that you sir might be a vampire in game? NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! NO WAAAAAAAAAY! Pathetic...

Is there any chance that maybe, just maybe, you would be able to explain the build that these unstoppable vampires are using? I highly doubt you actually know what skills they are allowing them to wipe out your zergs with no effort.

Yes, I am a vampire. I don't have that unstoppable build, though. So it's not hard to kill me if you have any damn skill. My ultimate builds at a reasonable pace because I'm a NB with bow/duel wield. I'm not a DK/Vamp with a specific build so I have nothing to do with the problem you're complaining about.

Maybe you should attempt to understand how those players are doing what they're doing before whining about how an unrelated skill line needs to be nerfed until it's useless.

Chances are you're going to discredit everything I say after "Yes, I'm a vampire" because you sound like a child that is raging because they died in PVP. Chances are, people like you are going to get vampire nerfed. I'll get cured, move on, and laugh when those players use a slightly modifed build to destroy you again.

i read this:
blablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablaYES I AM A VAMPIRE
blablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablabla

I dont understand why dont you just accept op is getting nerfed and spend rest of prenerfed time to farm AP in cyrodill, nothing you can do about it, you got zerged out here, go zerg ppl in there

This is the sort of thing I hope ZOS reads. So they can understand the intelligence of those who complain about the vampire skill line.

Nyxx · April 2014

aragornis wrote: »

Nyxx wrote: »

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aragornis wrote: »

Nyxx wrote: »

aragornis wrote: »

Nyxx wrote: »

The people who think the issue has to do with only the vampire skill line or bat swarm alone make me laugh. They have no idea what they're talking about.

Vampire does not need any nerf. The mistform healing issue does seem to be a bug that needs to be fixed, but that's about it.

Is there any chance, maybe, just maybe, i mean any chance at all, that you sir might be a vampire in game? NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! NO WAAAAAAAAAY! Pathetic...

Is there any chance that maybe, just maybe, you would be able to explain the build that these unstoppable vampires are using? I highly doubt you actually know what skills they are allowing them to wipe out your zergs with no effort.

Yes, I am a vampire. I don't have that unstoppable build, though. So it's not hard to kill me if you have any damn skill. My ultimate builds at a reasonable pace because I'm a NB with bow/duel wield. I'm not a DK/Vamp with a specific build so I have nothing to do with the problem you're complaining about.

Maybe you should attempt to understand how those players are doing what they're doing before whining about how an unrelated skill line needs to be nerfed until it's useless.

Chances are you're going to discredit everything I say after "Yes, I'm a vampire" because you sound like a child that is raging because they died in PVP. Chances are, people like you are going to get vampire nerfed. I'll get cured, move on, and laugh when those players use a slightly modifed build to destroy you again.

i read this:
blablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablaYES I AM A VAMPIRE
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I dont understand why dont you just accept op is getting nerfed and spend rest of prenerfed time to farm AP in cyrodill, nothing you can do about it, you got zerged out here, go zerg ppl in there

This is the sort of thing I hope ZOS reads. So they can understand the intelligence of those who complain about the vampire skill line.

Learn how to quote, bro.

Still waitin' on that explaination of the build you're crying about. Care to explain?

bugulu · April 2014

Nyxx wrote: »

Learn how to quote, bro.

Still waitin' on that explaination of the build you're crying about. Care to explain?

I'll help him out since he probably won't be able to post any build at all.

http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#mzzz9s8jKvQ8uELs8uzEm8uEI18fXiO8uENg8uvZT8Gsbb8jKew8TsDA8fXiO8jKEL8y7rrR3a8E7brzm16czVS8l7xrop6rzkA6rzky6Lzkg8B7Jrzsb6MGkXa8U7MrrWv8Y7VrfJu6rfJI6LfJN8zc7zzgeXm8zf7zzNbo8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX

Throw in the following sets:

3x Akaviri Dragonguard (PVE Drop) for 20% ultimate cost reduction
3x Seducer (3 traits Crafted) for 3% reduction in all spells including ultimates
3x Twilight’s Embrace (3 traits Crafted) for 10% more healing taken
3x Vestments of The Warlock (PVE Drop) for sustain “Magicka Flood Once per minute, when below 33% Magicka, gain (562) Magicka”

Oh look, an unstoppable DK vampire.

And for people who love to jump to conclusions.

I don't think vampires should be nerfed. The ability to stack reduce spell costs and to make ultimates cost next to nothing should be balanced and have a softcap or a fixed cooldown.

Nyxx · April 2014

bugulu wrote: »

Nyxx wrote: »

Learn how to quote, bro.

Still waitin' on that explaination of the build you're crying about. Care to explain?

I'll help him out since he probably won't be able to post any build at all.

http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#mzzz9s8jKvQ8uELs8uzEm8uEI18fXiO8uENg8uvZT8Gsbb8jKew8TsDA8fXiO8jKEL8y7rrR3a8E7brzm16czVS8l7xrop6rzkA6rzky6Lzkg8B7Jrzsb6MGkXa8U7MrrWv8Y7VrfJu6rfJI6LfJN8zc7zzgeXm8zf7zzNbo8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX

Throw in the following sets:

3x Akaviri Dragonguard (PVE Drop) for 20% ultimate cost reduction
3x Seducer (3 traits Crafted) for 3% reduction in all spells including ultimates
3x Twilight’s Embrace (3 traits Crafted) for 10% more healing taken
3x Vestments of The Warlock (PVE Drop) for sustain “Magicka Flood Once per minute, when below 33% Magicka, gain (562) Magicka”

Oh look, an unstoppable DK vampire.

And for people who love to jump to conclusions.

I don't think vampires should be nerfed. The ability to stack reduce spell costs and to make ultimates cost next to nothing should be balanced and have a softcap or a fixed cooldown.

I know what they're doing. I was just attempting to get one of these people to understand that the vampire skills alone are not issue. I'm hoping ZOS does something to take this build down a knotch instead of ruining vampire.

aftershox · April 2014

Compare the the numbers of vampire players who paid for their bite as opposed to earning it through proper adventuring and questing. That should tell you something about how OP it is right now. Vampires should be Kill on sight by guards in any lawful major city. There were a couple of examples of powerful Vampire Jarls in the TESV but they certainly didn't run amok selling bites in broad daylight. If they did the Dawnguard or Vigilants of Stendarr would be hunting them down constantly.

soulassassin808b16_ESO · April 2014

The best thing to do ATM is turn off the vamp ult in PVP if they do not have a fix ready, otherwise push out a hotfix. Like it or not, it has already completely destroyed pvp balance.

Anzaman · April 2014

aftershox wrote: »

Vampires should be Kill on sight by guards in any lawful major city.

A great way to eliminate all vampires from the game.

We are talking about MMORPG here, single player game rules "can't" fit into it. Should guards in World of Warcraft kill all Death Knights as well whenever they approach city? No. In same way guards shouldn't kill vampire players in Elder Scrolls Online as they are the hero of Tamriel.

We could discuss about guards killing vampire players if they would murder citizens etc.. but since they are helping all three major factions by eliminating their problems, why should guards kill them?

Even one of the major NPC's in Rivenspire were an vampire and the NPC's didn't kill him either.

Nyxx · April 2014

aftershox wrote: »

Compare the the numbers of vampire players who paid for their bite as opposed to earning it through proper adventuring and questing. That should tell you something about how OP it is right now. Vampires should be Kill on sight by guards in any lawful major city. There were a couple of examples of powerful Vampire Jarls in the TESV but they certainly didn't run amok selling bites in broad daylight. If they did the Dawnguard or Vigilants of Stendarr would be hunting them down constantly.

Wait, so your argument is that because people pay for it, it must be OP?

People are paying for it because a few big guilds are camping and killing the spawns so they can continue to profit off of the bites they aquired during early access. It's nearly impossible to get the bite on your own. It's easier to pay for it than to run around trying to find a spawn in a race against time.

Also, you're suggesting again, that we nerf vampire and make it useless. Who the hell would even consider becoming a vampire if they can't even wander in PVE zones without getting instantly killed by guards?

I hope you read the above post regarding the OP build as well.

SilverWF · April 2014

Nyxx wrote: »

I know what they're doing. I was just attempting to

trolling?
Yes, we are noted that

aftershox · April 2014

Nyxx wrote: »

aftershox wrote: »

Compare the the numbers of vampire players who paid for their bite as opposed to earning it through proper adventuring and questing. That should tell you something about how OP it is right now. Vampires should be Kill on sight by guards in any lawful major city. There were a couple of examples of powerful Vampire Jarls in the TESV but they certainly didn't run amok selling bites in broad daylight. If they did the Dawnguard or Vigilants of Stendarr would be hunting them down constantly.

Wait, so your argument is that because people pay for it, it must be OP?

People are paying for it because a few big guilds are camping and killing the spawns so they can continue to profit off of the bites they aquired during early access. It's nearly impossible to get the bite on your own. It's easier to pay for it than to run around trying to find a spawn in a race against time.

Also, you're suggesting again, that we nerf vampire and make it useless. Who the hell would even consider becoming a vampire if they can't even wander in PVE zones without getting instantly killed by guards?

I hope you read the above post regarding the OP build as well.

I'm saying that because they can pay for it then they can acquire it earlier than they should be able to which makes it OP in my book. The fact that a few big guilds were controlling this resource means they enjoy an unfair advantage in PVP campaigns. I'm an early access player myself but I wouldn't dream of paying gold for something that should be a free, personal choice in quest related content.

A vampire player that can't outwit NPC guards would be laughable, but it would at least give them pause and introduce a bit of immersion that is lacking at the moment.

I read the constructive posts above my own, which posts I read is my business. All these opinions are interpretations of game mechanics in any case. I've seen nothing ZM official posted here yet.