Remove vampire ultimate from PvP!

SilverWF

This is just ridiculous!
Everyone trying to spec DK in heavy armor with 1h+s and vampire ultimate with healing morph
Maybe it's OK for PVE but in PVP - this is stupid!

Charge into enemies, Dragon Talons, Ultimate and Mist Form (or Immovable) - profit! You are just becomes invincible! Especially if you are Emperor
Ultimate ended - rinse and repeat, coz at Vamp4 stage vampire skills costs nearly nothing (ultimate too)!
3-4 of such "skilled" players - pwn whole raids!
This is not PVP - this is sucks! How you was able to create this? ><

And explain to me please, what a hell it was?


1st second I received 5 hits from some vampire, and at 2nd second - 6 hits! How the F it's possible? Coz ultimate able to hit 1 target only once per second!
It was only ONE vampire - I was attacked by him only and he killed 2 our groups after that! His ultimate was endless and I even didn't know his name - he was in the Mist form at the same time.

Why you disallow to addons knowledge of "Who hit me"? Damn!
Doesn't you are trying to hide your faults by restricting API?

SilverWF

They just need to completely remove vampire Ultimate from PVP. For PVE it's OK, but not for PVP!
Also, I'll leave this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxBlMayv12M

It's not me - just found this video ant it's... mad, I dunno

Anzaman

I disagree, they just need to fix the bugs which makes it "OP".

SilverWF

This ultimate is OP for PvP by itself!

Aldarund

Vampires have so many disadvantages.. If u remove ultimate they will just piece of junk, that are totaly unplayable.

Aldarund

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blackwolf7

Remove idiots from this game!!!! The video shows noob owning noobs learn to play

Drakoleon

blackwolf7 wrote: »

Remove idiots from this game!!!! The video shows noob owning noobs learn to play

Right!!! You should be removed

Nox_Aeterna

Sure , also remove the vampires 50% vun to fire AND 75% health regen reduc from PvP , then we are all set.

Anzaman

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Sure , also remove the vampires 50% vun to fire AND 75% health regen reduc from PvP , then we are all set.

Remove the extra effects of FG abilities on Vampires as well.

Jaffar_AlKhazzir

I dunno, but does negate magic ultimate from sorc dark magic tree affect and block the vamp skills? If yes bring a few sorcs with this and dispell & silence the vamplord back to oblivion

Censorious

It's waaaay too early to start talking about nerfs. Half the players haven't got their full powers yet and the other half haven't completely grasped them.

I've seen things that look OP at first sight but I'm holding off judgement until I can really understand what's going on and what can be done about it.

Patience glasschopper!

Nox_Aeterna

Anzaman wrote: »

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Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Sure , also remove the vampires 50% vun to fire AND 75% health regen reduc from PvP , then we are all set.

Remove the extra effects of FG abilities on Vampires as well.

Mate , make so 0 skills of the vampire skill tree affect PvP , but also take ALL the debuffs , then we are all set.

This would also be fair.

Now , dont just take the ult and leave the vampires hanging.

Valn

Aldarund wrote: »

Vampires have so many disadvantages.. If u remove ultimate they will just piece of junk, that are totaly unplayable.

you mean like ww? i've not once seen a ww in pvp

Elirienne

Just remove the whole vampire/werewolf madness already from the game. No need for this game to turn into a vampire mmo. It's stupid enough already, and all you see is people selling and buying bites. It also does not fit with the lore as there are no "good vampires" or hero vampires in the universe. WW is a bit of a mixed bag because of the Companions I guess? Hope this idiocy will die out soon.

Valmond

SilverWF wrote: »

This is just ridiculous!
Everyone trying to spec DK in heavy armor with 1h+s and vampire ultimate with healing morph

I'm not.
Sticking to my Destruction Staff wielding sorcerer.

As for the rest, it does not need a nerf, it needs getting bugs fixed.

Anzaman

Elirienne wrote: »

It also does not fit with the lore as there are no "good vampires" or hero vampires in the universe.

Verandis in Rivenspire?

Sunrock

I don't think they need to remove it. But they need to balance it better. Right now the vampires can stay in mist form way too long while they run there ultimate. If they only could use ultimate with mist form for 5-7 seconds and not 2 minutes it would be ok. In other words mist for needs to cost allot more magica to use.

Sunrock

Elirienne wrote: »

Just remove the whole vampire/werewolf madness already from the game. No need for this game to turn into a vampire mmo. It's stupid enough already, and all you see is people selling and buying bites. It also does not fit with the lore as there are no "good vampires" or hero vampires in the universe. WW is a bit of a mixed bag because of the Companions I guess? Hope this idiocy will die out soon.

Well I have to disagree with the lore. There are some, if I would use the DD terminology, 'chaotic good' vampires in Elder scroll lore. Especially in the Dawnbraker expansion to Skyrim.

But I agree about the selling and buying bites. It spoils the immersion of the game and makes the population of vamps and WW a bit too common.

DitsyGirl

SilverWF wrote: »

This is just ridiculous!
Everyone trying to spec DK in heavy armor with 1h+s and vampire ultimate with healing morph
Maybe it's OK for PVE but in PVP - this is stupid!

Charge into enemies, Dragon Talons, Ultimate and Mist Form (or Immovable) - profit! You are just becomes invincible! Especially if you are Emperor
Ultimate ended - rinse and repeat, coz at Vamp4 stage vampire skills costs nearly nothing (ultimate too)!
3-4 of such "skilled" players - pwn whole raids!
This is not PVP - this is sucks! How you was able to create this? ><

1st second I received 5 hits from some vampire, and at 2nd second - 6 hits! How the F it's possible? Coz ultimate able to hit 1 target only once per second!
It was only ONE vampire - I was attacked by him only and he killed 2 our groups after that! His ultimate was endless and I even didn't know his name - he was in the Mist form at the same time.

Why you disallow to addons knowledge of "Who hit me"? Damn!
Doesn't you are trying to hide your faults by restricting API?

Use fire on vampires it kills them fast. Stop crying for nerfs because you suck.

Tandara

sorry this whole vampire are op thing reminds me back to daoc where all the bad players cried to nerf cc and manabombs. Instead of mindlessly cluster at one place just spread out. I really like it that zerg player with nigh to no awareness are punished.

There's a reason why you don't cluster your troops nowadays like back in the old days. ;>

Sunrock

@kriz.jirb16_ESO Sounds to me you're not that well informed regarding the subject. In fact solo or small parties have higher chance of killing vampires then big groups killing one vampire because the more players attacking a vampire the more blood he can drain to regain his health. This enables high level dragonknight vampires to take out a group of 20 all by himself by just using vamp ulti, mist form and some AOE CC attacks.

Sunrock

Tandara wrote: »

sorry this whole vampire are op thing reminds me back to daoc where all the bad players cried to nerf cc and manabombs. Instead of mindlessly cluster at one place just spread out. I really like it that zerg player with nigh to no awareness are punished.

There's a reason why you don't cluster your troops nowadays like back in the old days. ;>

To an extend I agree. However ZOS need to balance this because they did say that you should not have to become a vampire or werewolf to be competitive in PvP. And right now it's too mush of a perk to be a vampire compared to a werewolf or "normal" if you try to climb the PvP high score list in the most efficient way possible.

Kalwein_Ohyx

Great vid! Not seen one from vamp side.

Maybe it dont need to be removed tho but it need to be changed lol, that was just stupid to watch. Several V10 in the mix and still no chance, and the guy dont drop stam/mana at all lol.

Love the comments this brought lol.

kriz.jirb16_ESO

Sunrock wrote: »

@kriz.jirb16_ESO Sounds to me you're not that well informed regarding the subject. In fact solo or small parties have higher chance of killing vampires then big groups killing one vampire because the more players attacking a vampire the more blood he can drain to regain his health. This enables high level dragonknight vampires to take out a group of 20 all by himself by just using vamp ulti, mist form and some AOE CC attacks.

I know what I'm saying. Every time we play in Cyrodiil with my full raid group and we never had a problem with wampire.
Everyone in the party have a silver shard at the bar. Sorcereres have silence. Just me with DK stand for wampire and use Talons, others only attacking on wampire from a distance.

radoslaw85eb17_ESO

the only thing bad about vampires is they are made wrongly

remember oblivion? when u become vampire every1 was pissing their pants off justby looking at you.... no1 was agoainst you and when u fought u were invincible and you could become evil SOB

and thats how vampires should be look at just like in world of darknessseries

and here vampires are kinda twilighted .... which i hate!
Vampires should be feared and they should be ultimate monsters to fight with

and sadl here "its just another skill line" nothing more

Vampires should be
- extremly scary
- shouldnt have concience nor remore
- they should evolve into even stronger creatures due to ddaedra influnce
- when some1 is transformed into a vampire automaticly he becomes extremly scary to even hes allias and even ppl likequeen ayren should be scared of them
- yes im making them even more powerfull but not by abilities they posses but by storytelling stuff and yes i would wish that vamps / werewolves are equally strong...

SilverWF

DitsyGirl wrote: »

Use fire on vampires it kills them fast. Stop crying for nerfs because you suck.

I'm DK-vampire too with that ultimate and I'm asking for nerf!

Also, I'm Dunmer in light armor (Fire resist Dunmer passive + Spell resist of light armor + Spell resis DK passives) and you know... I'm LOLing on all of yours "fire"

blackwolf7

SilverWF wrote: »

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DitsyGirl wrote: »

Use fire on vampires it kills them fast. Stop crying for nerfs because you suck.

I'm DK-vampire too with that ultimate and I'm asking for nerf!

Also, I'm Dunmer in light armor (Fire resist Dunmer passive + Spell resist of light armor + Spell resis DK passives) and you know... I'm LOLing on all of yours "fire"

The spell resists from passives doenst even come close to the 50% dmg taken from fire debuff of vamps.

the 50% dmg taken means the dmg taken not 50% reduce resistance against fire.

Sunrock

@kriz.jirb16_ESO you are totally missing the point here. It's not that they can't be killed or dealt with. Its how more powerful vampires are compared to not being a vampire. You should not have to be in a dedicated PvP "perma group" to be able to handle 1 vampire.

I'm not saying they need to remove them or nerf them to fluffy carebears that you can hug. But they need to balance the vampire skills a bit. TBH all they need to do is increase the mist form magica consumption with 10% and maybe reduce vampire stages ability cost reduction with 5% as well.

Tandara

SilverWF wrote: »

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DitsyGirl wrote: »

Use fire on vampires it kills them fast. Stop crying for nerfs because you suck.

I'm DK-vampire too with that ultimate and I'm asking for nerf!

Also, I'm Dunmer in light armor (Fire resist Dunmer passive + Spell resist of light armor + Spell resis DK passives) and you know... I'm LOLing on all of yours "fire"

Even with capped resist(magic/fire Or just magic you still take 15% more dmg than a non vampire without capped resist). You never "lol" about fire dmg just try some vet dungeons. I can tell you if I don't block certain bosses I can still get 1shottet where even non tanks survive with at least 10% hp.

Same goes for pvp there's a reason why you see all that fotm vampires only in mist form as dk in an 1vs1 situation. :>

SilverWF

Aldarund wrote: »

Vampires have so many disadvantages.. If u remove ultimate they will just piece of junk, that are totaly unplayable.

How many?
1st: +50% incoming fire damge - easely to compensate with racial passives or fire resist enchants.
2nd: -75% HP regen. This is regen only! This is not affects on potions, heals or leeching - so nobody cares of it.
3rd: Fighter guild abilities.

But what advantages?
1. "I'm going to kill your raid"+"God-mode" Bat swarm morph
2. "Try to catch me"+"God mode" Mist Form morph
3. Increased magika and stamina regen
4. "Who said I'm afraid of fire?" -50% of ANY incoming damage passive if HP drops to 50%
5. "Who said I have decreased HP regen?" passive improovement of HP regen at stages 2, 3 and 4
6. "I've lost my sneaking speed penalty" last vampire passive
7. "My skills will be endless" -60% of vampire skills (also as ultimate) cost


Also, look at the WW skill tree: it's just pointless for PVP and PVE both! But this not for that thread...