Free Deadlands DLC

Xorious · October 2021

This is a community reward, be thankful! Some of you might want to consider thinking not about yourselves, but instead be thankful for other people. All of us are potentially going to be able to play out the rest of this year together.

Maybe I'm just weird, but I think that's really of cool.

Dzadzey · October 2021

Well, if the content is as...underwhelming...as Blackwood was, it should be free.

santhoranb16_ESO · October 2021

benetrio wrote: »

[snip] you aren't owed anything. you get your craft bag, extra space, and crowns for subbing. I didn't care about the house last year since I don't do housing, but I didn't complain about it or not participate in the event.

I had an unexpected medical bill come up this summer so I haven't been subbed since, so getting to continue the blackwood story without having to pay for the DLC/eso+ is awesome to me.

You missing the point: The most loyal players get nothing, those that pay the most. That they feel disrespectful handled is just logical.
Like say your groceries shop, you the daily customer pay the highest prices and get no discountes, the once-a-month visitor gets half prices and a welcome present . How would you feel?
You keep the shop alive and they get the rewards. How nice...

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Disturbed_One · October 2021

santhoranb16_ESO wrote: »

benetrio wrote: »

[snip] you aren't owed anything. you get your craft bag, extra space, and crowns for subbing. I didn't care about the house last year since I don't do housing, but I didn't complain about it or not participate in the event.

I had an unexpected medical bill come up this summer so I haven't been subbed since, so getting to continue the blackwood story without having to pay for the DLC/eso+ is awesome to me.

You missing the point: The most loyal players get nothing, those that pay the most. That they feel disrespectful handled is just logical.
Like say your groceries shop, you the daily customer pay the highest prices and get no discountes, the once-a-month visitor gets half prices and a welcome present . How would you feel?
You keep the shop alive and they get the rewards. How nice...

What a inaccurate analogy...

It's more like the regular gets a normal 5% discount on their groceries, and they're giving a 5% coupon to all customers for a few days.

I still can't believe how upset people get when somebody else gets something because they feel entitled to it...

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Rkindaleft · October 2021

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Nchuleftingth wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

BomblePants wrote: »

I don’t think that the people who are either saying it’s an equal gift or complaining that subs are moaning about free stuff understand at all… yet it’s such a simple concept…

Please elaborate. You're being sort of elliptic here.

I don't think there's a SINGLE subscriber in this thread that is complaining that the DLC is being given away for free.

ESO+ holders are disappointed because this "amazing hyped up mystery reward" is something they pay for, something that they get already, something that is essentially meaningless to them. ESO+ holders don't care that they will have access to the DLC if their sub ends, because most of the subscribers won't end their subs and the ones that do and still play are such a small minority. If they ever leave the game, once they come back they're also likely to resubscribe, so whether or not they have access to the DLC is meaningless.

For 95% of ESO+ holders, there is no reward. There's no incentive to get to 100% because they don't get anything they wouldn't already have. Don't hype it up if a large portion of the playerbase doesn't get anything.

Thanks for elaborating.

But I think you're wrong on many levels.

First, on your assumption that subscribers don't buy DLCs because if they play they subscribe and if they don't subscribe they don't play.
Second, on your assumption that a "gift" should be without any agenda. That may be true from a friend, but from a company, that's obviously wrong. Of course it's marketing ! Anything wrong with that ?
And that brings us back to the first point : if ZOS does this, it's because it makes sense business wise, and they have the figures to prove it (and we don't).

I happen to be french and in french, we have a "proverb" or something like that that says "à cheval offert, on ne regarde pas les dents". Which roughly translates into "when you're given a horse for free, you don't check his teeth". In other words, if you like it, you are welcome to say it, but if not, then you shut up. Nobody forces you to mean nor to say "thank you", but you're not entitled to complain. Because it's FREE.

That's the only single crystal clear issue here : IT'S FREE. If you don't like it or are disappointed in the gifted thing, you SHUT UP. Because it's free.

And if you're just upset because you've been "hyped" for "nothing" (in your opinion and from your personal point of view), just get over it. Remember : yes, it's marketing. But it's free.

[snip] I also think you're wrong on many levels, but we can agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Lets play out a scenario. Imagine that you heard that there was a secret prize coming and you waited for the announcement of the mystery reward and heard it was only accessible to ESO+ holders. You would feel disappointed right? You'd wonder why they made such a big deal about the announcement. So why is it not ok for the same to happen to ESO+ holders when they don't get anything from this reward? The majority won't end their subscriptions, so again, instead of getting a horse, they just get nothing. Doesn't sound like entitlement to me. The exact same thing would happen if the situation was flipped.

Because apparently we have to reiterate for the 64357th time this thread that giving away the DLC for free is fine.

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benetrio · October 2021

santhoranb16_ESO wrote: »

benetrio wrote: »

[snip] you aren't owed anything. you get your craft bag, extra space, and crowns for subbing. I didn't care about the house last year since I don't do housing, but I didn't complain about it or not participate in the event.

I had an unexpected medical bill come up this summer so I haven't been subbed since, so getting to continue the blackwood story without having to pay for the DLC/eso+ is awesome to me.

You missing the point: The most loyal players get nothing, those that pay the most. That they feel disrespectful handled is just logical.
Like say your groceries shop, you the daily customer pay the highest prices and get no discountes, the once-a-month visitor gets half prices and a welcome present . How would you feel?
You keep the shop alive and they get the rewards. How nice...

You do get something for being loyal, craft bag, crowns, all the DLC, and extra bag and housing space. How are you getting nothing in return? sounds like you just take those perks for granted. what are you even subbing for if you don't see those as benefits?

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Ragged_Claw · October 2021

I don't see why some of you aren't understanding this, I am stoked that you get the next DLC for free, I have no problem with that. I am not being 'entitled', I didn't expect ANYTHING. I saw the rewards for the event, and was like 'oh cool, those're some nice prizes.' Then ZoS said, 'Tune into the Year End Stream to find out about an extra super-duper SURPRISE reward that we haven't announced yet!' And like many others, I was excited, I was thinking something along the lines of a new companion, house-guest or personality. I thought maybe a bard personality due to the partnership with Trivium. Then they announce Deadlands FOR FREE. For starters, it's not free, you need to have bought Blackwood, and since I have ESO+ I'm essentially getting nothing. And don't blather about how I get to keep it, I got to keep Murkmire and I've never been back after completion, there's nothing in these little DLCs to bring you back. Also, if I quit my sub it's because I've quit the game, there's no way I could play without the craft-bag and extra bank space anyway.

And to those people trying to shame us for trying to deny less well off people the chance for a free DLC - I lost my job due to Covid, then I caught Covid and am still recovering, my daughter lost her job due to Covid, I live off of a meagre Carer's Allowance and my sub lapsed last month for the first time in 7 years because I had to pay for medication so please don't make out like ESO+ members are some elite millionaire club who don't want the peasants to get anything for free, I scrape to make up that sub and friends have helped me because they know it's one of my few esacapes, so don't give me crap because I'm annoyed that I get nothing because I've had the audacity to sub to this game since day 1.

Pauwer · October 2021

Xorious wrote: »

This is a community reward, be thankful! Some of you might want to consider thinking not about yourselves, but instead be thankful for other people. All of us are potentially going to be able to play out the rest of this year together.

Maybe I'm just weird, but I think that's really of cool.

I guess eso plus is not a community in this game and our dollar worth less than everyone elses. Thank you zos, really appreciated

jad11mumbler · October 2021

Xorious wrote: »

This is a community reward, be thankful! Some of you might want to consider thinking not about yourselves, but instead be thankful for other people. All of us are potentially going to be able to play out the rest of this year together.

Maybe I'm just weird, but I think that's really of cool.

A community reward that only rewards non subscribers, leaving a large chunk of the community unrewarded, disappointed and unhappy.

I'd be thankful for other people if zos at least gave deadlands away to everyone and not just blackwood owners.

jad11mumbler · October 2021

benetrio wrote: »

santhoranb16_ESO wrote: »

benetrio wrote: »

[snip] you aren't owed anything. you get your craft bag, extra space, and crowns for subbing. I didn't care about the house last year since I don't do housing, but I didn't complain about it or not participate in the event.

I had an unexpected medical bill come up this summer so I haven't been subbed since, so getting to continue the blackwood story without having to pay for the DLC/eso+ is awesome to me.

You missing the point: The most loyal players get nothing, those that pay the most. That they feel disrespectful handled is just logical.
Like say your groceries shop, you the daily customer pay the highest prices and get no discountes, the once-a-month visitor gets half prices and a welcome present . How would you feel?
You keep the shop alive and they get the rewards. How nice...

You do get something for being loyal, craft bag, crowns, all the DLC, and extra bag and housing space. How are you getting nothing in return? sounds like you just take those perks for granted. what are you even subbing for if you don't see those as benefits?

All of that we pay for. We get what we pay for and nothing more unlike those who aren't loyal paying customers apparently.

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jad11mumbler · October 2021

Pauwer wrote: »

Xorious wrote: »

This is a community reward, be thankful! Some of you might want to consider thinking not about yourselves, but instead be thankful for other people. All of us are potentially going to be able to play out the rest of this year together.

Maybe I'm just weird, but I think that's really of cool.

I guess eso plus is not a community in this game and our dollar worth less than everyone elses. Thank you zos, really appreciated

Yup, many of these events feel like zos values us a lot less than those who don't subscribe.
Constructive criticism is that they need to improve in that area so subscribers aren't left feeling undervalued, unrewarded and disappointed.

benetrio · October 2021

at the end of the day you can't argue with people who feel entitled to stuff. it's a mindset and nothing you say will change it.

Roztlin45 · October 2021

Giving away a dlc to drum up sells of blackwood..I get it. [snip] Did I mention the companions are a nice, nothing. A dress.up pet that talks. I won't complain about a free gift no matter the motivation. But ZOS , you had better [snip] step up. I want you to be successful. I love your product as do thousands if not.millions. People are getting battle fatigue and tired of begging for the game to be fixed. At first I could not understand why people were.so upset of a free gift, but I think in some way they just feel shafted again.

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Blacknight841 · October 2021

benetrio wrote: »

at the end of the day you can't argue with people who feel entitled to stuff. it's a mindset and nothing you say will change it.

it doesn't matter how you look at, subscribers do not get anything out of the "surprise reward" as they are already paying for it. People can say "you should be happy for everyone else" all they want, but I guarantee there would be outcry from nonsubscriber if they made the "surprise reward" only available to those players that have been subscribing to eso plus for more than a year. Do you really think the new players and nonsubscriber would rally to help the ESO Plus community get an award that they cannot get? The artificial "pathfinder achievement meter" also doesn't matter. It isn't showing live numbers, and they don't release the total number achievements unlocked. If they wanted to say that we got to 100% tomorrow, they could. I doubt they would want the press and outcry from a failed event. No developer would ever want to be confronted with media summary of the event to read "for the first time in 5 years, the community failed to reach the goal". That reward was guaranteed from the start.

Last year ESO Plus members had a reason to buy the chapter if they didn't already own it. They got a free house that you couldn't get any other way. This year ESO Plus members don't need to buy the chapter to get anything they won't already get (minus useless furnishings that you have nowhere to store anyways)... and if they wait a few more months, they will get Blackwood for free as well.

jad11mumbler · October 2021

At first I could not understand why people were.so upset of a free gift, but I think in some way they just feel shafted again.

Yup, its just another disappointment from ZoS added onto an ever increasing pile.
Especially recently with a bunch of players being falsely banned. The state of PvP, the promises of improvements that never come but instead make performance worse, and rather lacklustre dlcs the past few years.
Now the recent "quality of life" improvements that addons already do, and in some cases do better anyway for PC users.

Disturbed_One · October 2021

The word choice of some of these comments... wow.

WaTeR-aBuSeR · October 2021

I have no issue with non subs getting the dlc for free. My issue is with how they went about it. [snip] All they had to do was say if you are already subbed you will also get X. With X being gold, mats, or what not. I got murkmire as a log in reward when I always play subbed and wasn't mad about it because they were straightforward about it. A "mystery" prize makes me think of something unique as well. Something they haven't given out before but no. [snip]

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NotTaylorSwift · October 2021

Hvíthákarl wrote: »

Wait until ESO+ subscribers have to drop the sub due to unexpected bills or something like that and then we'll be talking. No one is "betraying" you lol, once you drop ESO+ you lose access to all of the DLCs you don't own so you basically get the chance of accessing Deadlands even if you have to unsubscribe for other reasons

If that's no enough, there are also a lot of rewards other than the DLC that people have conveniently forgotten. I wish more b2p MMORPGs gave as much free stuff as ESO does lol

I don't mean to come across as entitled but this is probably not the case for most ESO+ subscribers. I would assume most people subscribe because it is something they are willing to pay for monthly (or according to whichever sub they have) or can afford. It's nice for those that don't sub regularly but all of my friends who are subscribers, renew their sub without fail. The scenario you described about ESO+ subs having to drop their sub due to whatever circumstances is very niche and is certainly not a reason for ZoS to take this approach on community rewards imo.

Sorry if this has already been said, I haven't fully read all of the comments after page 6.

NotTaylorSwift · October 2021

benetrio wrote: »

santhoranb16_ESO wrote: »

benetrio wrote: »

[snip] you aren't owed anything. you get your craft bag, extra space, and crowns for subbing. I didn't care about the house last year since I don't do housing, but I didn't complain about it or not participate in the event.

I had an unexpected medical bill come up this summer so I haven't been subbed since, so getting to continue the blackwood story without having to pay for the DLC/eso+ is awesome to me.

You missing the point: The most loyal players get nothing, those that pay the most. That they feel disrespectful handled is just logical.
Like say your groceries shop, you the daily customer pay the highest prices and get no discountes, the once-a-month visitor gets half prices and a welcome present . How would you feel?
You keep the shop alive and they get the rewards. How nice...

You do get something for being loyal, craft bag, crowns, all the DLC, and extra bag and housing space. How are you getting nothing in return? sounds like you just take those perks for granted. what are you even subbing for if you don't see those as benefits?

Those aren't things "loyal" subs get. Those are perks ALL subs get. You get those perks on day one of your sub (crowns ofc build up over time though.)

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jad11mumbler · October 2021

NotTaylorSwift wrote: »

benetrio wrote: »

santhoranb16_ESO wrote: »

benetrio wrote: »

[snip] you aren't owed anything. you get your craft bag, extra space, and crowns for subbing. I didn't care about the house last year since I don't do housing, but I didn't complain about it or not participate in the event.

I had an unexpected medical bill come up this summer so I haven't been subbed since, so getting to continue the blackwood story without having to pay for the DLC/eso+ is awesome to me.

You missing the point: The most loyal players get nothing, those that pay the most. That they feel disrespectful handled is just logical.
Like say your groceries shop, you the daily customer pay the highest prices and get no discountes, the once-a-month visitor gets half prices and a welcome present . How would you feel?
You keep the shop alive and they get the rewards. How nice...

You do get something for being loyal, craft bag, crowns, all the DLC, and extra bag and housing space. How are you getting nothing in return? sounds like you just take those perks for granted. what are you even subbing for if you don't see those as benefits?

Those aren't things "loyal" subs get. Those are perks ALL subs get. You get those perks on day one of your sub (crowns ofc build up over time though.)

I'm starting to wonder if those perks are even worth it anymore.
We give zos around $150 a year when most of the perks don't cost zos anything.
Craft bag, bank space, furniture slots, the minor 10% boosts. Dyeing outfits. None of that costs zos anything.
You get a decent sum of crowns, but frankly the items in the store are overpriced anyway. $100 for houses, where we're limited to 700 furniture slots with a subscription. The houses themselves often a copy & paste of assets.
5000 crowns for reskinned assistants now.
With most of the cooler items locked behind the crown crates.

Then they ask us to pay $60 each chapter launch on top of our sub.

Which I've never had a problem with till now, because it feels like we're just wasting money based on the lacklustre chapters and dlcs recently, the constant performance issues, nothing added to PvP in years.

Even the yearly events get minimal changes, finally after 5 years of the same events repeating, they added some extra quests. The quality of those added quests was not very high though. The holiday events could be much better done at least.

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AVaelham · October 2021

What exactly did you all expect to get? Another huge house that takes millions of gold to be fully decorated (even worse when you don't have ESO+ and the number of furniture items you can place is even lower), another reskin of some mount, another reskin of some pet? We've got these in the last years. To be honest, I thought the mysterious prize will be a new companion but getting a whole free DLC is a positive surprise.

ESO+ already has great value just for the craft bag and the other bonuses, the DLCs were always the nice cherry on top. I don't understand the entitlement.

Nisekev · October 2021

benetrio wrote: »

at the end of the day you can't argue with people who feel entitled to stuff. it's a mindset and nothing you say will change it.

Maybe because they're paying customers and are literally entitled to stuff they paid for? I'm not subscribed and don't even own Blackwood, but I can clearly see why subscribers are upset and think they are right in this argument.

Wolfshead · October 2021

method__01 wrote: »

the sub ppl dont have a prob with community,they are big part of,just want equal treatment
how gifting something i already have is a gift?

1st of all you don't own content even if you are a sub player you don't own it until you buy it in the crown store aka real money and honest I think it is nice that gave away for free and yes I have been sub to this since release back in 2014.

2nd everyone gets equal treatment with this gift for we all well own and the keyword here is owning.

As a sub player, you don't own any content and it is clear to say so if you read the agreement for as soon as you stop sub you will not have DLC the only thing you will have is basic game and expansion you pay for with real money but not DLC.

It even says in-game as well both in the crown store and under DLC/content tab.

santhoranb16_ESO · October 2021

benetrio wrote: »

santhoranb16_ESO wrote: »

benetrio wrote: »

[snip] you aren't owed anything. you get your craft bag, extra space, and crowns for subbing. I didn't care about the house last year since I don't do housing, but I didn't complain about it or not participate in the event.

I had an unexpected medical bill come up this summer so I haven't been subbed since, so getting to continue the blackwood story without having to pay for the DLC/eso+ is awesome to me.

You missing the point: The most loyal players get nothing, those that pay the most. That they feel disrespectful handled is just logical.
Like say your groceries shop, you the daily customer pay the highest prices and get no discountes, the once-a-month visitor gets half prices and a welcome present . How would you feel?
You keep the shop alive and they get the rewards. How nice...

You do get something for being loyal, craft bag, crowns, all the DLC, and extra bag and housing space. How are you getting nothing in return? sounds like you just take those perks for granted. what are you even subbing for if you don't see those as benefits?

First, i PAY for those perks. I dont get em free granted. I pay they maximum price (sub+chapters). And i get less then those that support less. Thanks for that "Reward*" (*only great for not loyal customers).

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Nord_Raseri · October 2021

I'm indifferent. We're pretty much getting the same things we got 2 years ago, bar the pile of treasure. I do find it funny how they said "Incredible mystery" like it was going to be a huge thing. Like how they hyped up getting a costume/personality for 400 gem was somehow great news. It's all expected.

jad11mumbler · October 2021

Wolfshead wrote: »

method__01 wrote: »

the sub ppl dont have a prob with community,they are big part of,just want equal treatment
how gifting something i already have is a gift?

1st of all you don't own content even if you are a sub player you don't own it until you buy it in the crown store aka real money and honest I think it is nice that gave away for free and yes I have been sub to this since release back in 2014.

2nd everyone gets equal treatment with this gift for we all well own and the keyword here is owning.

As a sub player, you don't own any content and it is clear to say so if you read the agreement for as soon as you stop sub you will not have DLC the only thing you will have is basic game and expansion you pay for with real money but not DLC.

It even says in-game as well both in the crown store and under DLC/content tab.

Owning its vs renting it is irrelevant for us who don't plan on unsubscribing until we stop playing.
Owning a small zone dlc is also irrelevant because there's no reason to go back there after you complete it in the first week or two, other than the events Zos does for zones every so often.

For us constant subs, "owning it" is worthless.

Norgh · October 2021

My wife and I as ESO+ subscribers are not happy with this.

_adhyffbjjjf12 · October 2021

Norgh wrote: »

My wife and I as ESO+ subscribers are not happy with this.

I sub , paying a year in advance + purchases and i'm fine with it. This is a mindset thing, this particular reward is not primarily targeting ESO+ players, although we do get some side benefits. The way we benefit is that more player = healthy game, the zone rewards, the free zone if we decide to stop subbing etc.

Katheriah · October 2021

benetrio wrote: »

You do get something for being loyal, craft bag, crowns, all the DLC, and extra bag and housing space. How are you getting nothing in return? sounds like you just take those perks for granted. what are you even subbing for if you don't see those as benefits?

I really think you don't understand how ESO+ works. We pay for that. I don't take it for granted. I literally pay for that service.

Look at it like this: my nephew has his birthday. He really likes theme/amusement parks. Like a lot. He likes it so much that he has a yearly pass for unlimited access to all the theme parks in the country. He doesn't like going to the same theme park all the time, so he wants to be able to visit all the theme parks and not go to the same one every day. He also decided that he will renew that yearly pass for as long as he likes to go visit theme parks. He will only stop renewing it if he doesn't like going to theme parks anymore, otherwise he will just keep it going. There is also no option to pay less if you have other means of getting access to 1 of the theme parks.

I have been hyping his birthday gift a lot. I've been hinting at some incredible mystery. And then... Me, being the bad auntie I am, gives the little brat life long access to one of the theme parks.

Think that's a bad gift? This is an even better gift than what ZOS is giving us, because I bet this theme park is more thrilling than the DLC we're getting.

Honestly: I will not play ESO+ without sub. When I will stop subbing (which I'm honestly thinking about at this point, because they don't give a fly about keeping loyal customers happy) I will uninstall this game. This means that the gift is of no use to me. This gift has no extra benefits for all the other players that don't play without a sub. Believe me: that's a lot.

This gift is also not of any use to players that don't spend any money on this game, if you don't buy the chapter you're not getting the DLC. So let's not pretend that this is some major charity from ZOS. It's not.

There is a very small group of people that will benefit from this overhyped 'mystery' gift: unsubbed (or not continuously subbed) people that do buy the chapter. So yes: as a loyal subber I do feel like they just gave me an umbrella for Christmas and I'm not liking it. You shouldn't hype gifts like this as if it's the biggest gift you can give people.

_adhyffbjjjf12 · October 2021

what's actually happening is an 'I am entitled as I have ESO+' in effect caused in part by people assumed they were getting a big reward (advertising was ambiguous and could have been clearer). I also pay yearly in advance plus purchases, and i'm happy if others get gifts, i don't lose anything, and gain a small few extras. My ESO+ gives me crafting bags and ALL DLC for free (not just one) plus quite a few other benefits

Think of it this way, A company offers a monthly contract over a year for a tv and film package, it offers additional content over and above what pay as you go customers would get for the same period. 6 months later the company offers a special offer to pay as you go customers that gives access to a bunch of films that were previously only available for purchase or with the contract. Monthly contract owners have lost nothing and are not entitled (or even expect) some kind of compensatory reward.