Endeavors – lower and lower

Orion_89 · August 2021

I almost don't see the 25 seals/day and even weekly amount is lower than 200...

Lady_Galadhiel · August 2021

I belive at the end of the month we get more or less the same amount as last month.
However with the weekly seals it got a bit weird as 2 weeks ago we had almost the exactly same activities and got 225 seals and this week we only get 180.
I don't see any logic in this.

Kiralyn2000 · August 2021

I'm not surprised at the 180 for the weekly, considering how trivial the 250 Class kills one is.
(one delve with my Jab Templar, it was at 70/250.)

AcadianPaladin · August 2021

I will say I loved getting transmute gems a few weeks ago as part of the weekly. As a PvE soloist who avoids Cyrodiil when it is not MYM, I quite appreciated that.

Wing · August 2021

i mean its clear that this team and the fallout 76 team have communication back and forth. as both games have been implementing and altering things based on both their own and the other games feedback.

(on a side note i feel the endeavor seals might be a legal move to skirt the loot boxes by making the rewards an in game feature that has an "optional" paid service)

but that aside

they seem to have made it too clunky on ESO? in 76 you have daily and weekly quests that earn you progress on the "seasonal battlepass" like thing. the pass has various in game currencies, actual legit cosmetics and skins, etc. etc. and you can spend atoms to rank up if you want.

the daily quests also got people to log in.

ESO has an exhausting amount of pressure now to log in, the main ones being:
-login rewards, a full month
-daily endeavors
-crafting writs

(on a side note its enough that i find myself actually playing the game less overall because im sick of constantly being on the game to do dallies, a classic shift from wanting to waste my time in ESO, to ESO wasting my time.)

but back on point, thats multiple overlapping login and daily systems that dont synergize with each other. compared to fallouts streamlined:
-daily and weekly challenges reward progress on the seasonal pass.
-the seasonal pass rewards a bunch of nice stuff on its own including store currency.
-the store currency can be used on anything in the store and there are no gamble crates.

sorry ESO, but for its flaws, fallout 76 has you beat flat out.

Ashryn · August 2021

I suspected that it would get lowered over time unfortunately!

VaranisArano · August 2021

It's almost like Seals of Endeavor aren't intended to replace buying Crown Crates, but rather to serve as ZOS's excuse that "Crown Crates totally aren't gambling, so please don't regulate us!"

Sephyr · August 2021

VaranisArano wrote: »

It's almost like Seals of Endeavor aren't intended to replace buying Crown Crates, but rather to serve as ZOS's excuse that "Crown Crates totally aren't gambling, so please don't regulate us!"

I'm more upset that Seals of Endeavor aren't actually fabulous looking seals breaking into said Crown Crates.

SeaGtGruff · August 2021

My suspicion is that, if the number of seals of endeavor have been deliberately lowered from what they were initially, it might be so that players who can't complete the weekly endeavor and/or all of the daily endeavors don't need to feel as upset about missing any endeavors, especially if they missed an endeavor because they lacked some required DLC or chapter.

Consider that with the daily login rewards, the best reward each month is usually given in the middle of the month rather than at the end of the month. This helps mollify players who tend to get upset and complain because they couldn't log in every day for some reason, especially for reasons which are beyond their control.

VaranisArano · August 2021

Sephyr wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

It's almost like Seals of Endeavor aren't intended to replace buying Crown Crates, but rather to serve as ZOS's excuse that "Crown Crates totally aren't gambling, so please don't regulate us!"

I'm more upset that Seals of Endeavor aren't actually fabulous looking seals breaking into said Crown Crates.

I laughed, then decided it must be done!

Sylvermynx · August 2021

LOL Varanis!

EvilAutoTech · August 2021

Varanis FTW with the pinniped love.

Orion_89 · August 2021

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

I belive at the end of the month we get more or less the same amount as last month.

It is more like ZOS have planned a range from 10 to 15 or even less, but just didn't want to *** off the players from the very beginning.

TempPlayer · August 2021

I said it before and I'm going say it again. The point of endeavor is not for you to get free stuff. The point of endeavor is to prepare an excuse when the gov start cracking down on lootbox as gambling. So it was never in their interest to make it easy for you to get free stuff. They will continue to test the water and lower the endeavor till someone get irritated enough to start a class-action lawsuit or get the gov involved.

FlopsyPrince · August 2021

Kind of funny to have a bunch of items on sales for endeavors that are impossible to buy with the number of endeavors that can be earned so far.

Hapexamendios · August 2021

Tomorrow's endeavors:

Login - 1 seal
Select a character- 1 seal
Logout - 1 seal
Enter Cyrodiil - 1 seal
Enter Imperial Sewers - 1 seal

Complete up to 3

Rukia541 · August 2021

Wing wrote: »

i mean its clear that this team and the fallout 76 team have communication back and forth. as both games have been implementing and altering things based on both their own and the other games feedback.

(on a side note i feel the endeavor seals might be a legal move to skirt the loot boxes by making the rewards an in game feature that has an "optional" paid service)

but that aside

they seem to have made it too clunky on ESO? in 76 you have daily and weekly quests that earn you progress on the "seasonal battlepass" like thing. the pass has various in game currencies, actual legit cosmetics and skins, etc. etc. and you can spend atoms to rank up if you want.

the daily quests also got people to log in.

ESO has an exhausting amount of pressure now to log in, the main ones being:
-login rewards, a full month
-daily endeavors
-crafting writs

(on a side note its enough that i find myself actually playing the game less overall because im sick of constantly being on the game to do dallies, a classic shift from wanting to waste my time in ESO, to ESO wasting my time.)

but back on point, thats multiple overlapping login and daily systems that dont synergize with each other. compared to fallouts streamlined:
-daily and weekly challenges reward progress on the seasonal pass.
-the seasonal pass rewards a bunch of nice stuff on its own including store currency.
-the store currency can be used on anything in the store and there are no gamble crates.

sorry ESO, but for its flaws, fallout 76 has you beat flat out.

You just gotta get FOMO out of your head, only do stuff you enjoy

FO76 aint got anything beat in any category.. worst game ever lol

GenjiraX · August 2021

It’s also possible that they’ve watched the stats and seen how many players are actively chasing seals rather than just completing the endeavours organically. They’ve decided that too many players are earning too many seals too quickly so they’re just slowing things down a bit.

On the other hand, I’m not sure that seals were ever intended to be earned organically. The crafting endeavours, for example, are always to craft one more item than you normally would doing daily crafting writs. You always have to check the endeavours and do a little bit extra than normal.

SCarverOrne · August 2021

Today's are worth ten.

Xorxe · August 2021

If its true that ZOS is trying, with seals, to be ahead of gambling regulators, I dont get it. Crates are gambling no matter what. Its irrelevant, that you can get stuff from them other way, crates are still gambling. IRL you can get money from for example work, yet still casinos are gambling and they are still regulated. So are the bookmakers and other forms of gambling.

Marcus_Aurelius · August 2021

TempPlayer wrote: »

I said it before and I'm going say it again. The point of endeavor is not for you to get free stuff. The point of endeavor is to prepare an excuse when the gov start cracking down on lootbox as gambling. .

I've just got the Kagouti mount for 3600 seals.
I've never bought crown crates, never bought any mount.
I've done nothing special to obtain seals, just my normal playstyle.

So I want to say: thanks ZoS for the free nice mount you gave me.

oterWitz · August 2021

I'll just add that if you've been diligent about getting endeavors (not even perfect, but missing only a day or so), it's possible to buy a legendary reward from the Bandaari crates for 3600 seals before they disappear. That's way more generous than I would have expected from ZoS, I was sure they'd manipulate it to make us a bit short. This alone gives me hope for future fairness, rather than making it so the next tier rewards are perpetually just out of reach before crates are removed from the store. That is, until enough seals have been awarded for a radiant apex, then I still expect they'll time the bring-back crates so that we're overwhelmed with things to spend them on to encourage crate buying while many people are out of seals. But still, a silver lining

Myrnhiel · August 2021

I, and many others I suppose, bought the Esraj-Emote for 1000 seals.
I always wanted to have it, passing by the Esraj-player in Rimmen (near the guild vendors) always made me so... envious, I wanted to sit down next to him and play this wonderful instrument as well.

Now I can - and I do, every time I have the possibility to do so.

So for me, the seals have already been a benefit. I would never have had this emote without the seals.

And even if they lower them down to one seal a day - the moment will come when I will be able to buy another always-wanted thing that would be unobtainable for me otherwise!

And fortunately for me, I don't care about those fugly mounts.

Iluvrien · August 2021

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Kind of funny to have a bunch of items on sales for endeavors that are impossible to buy with the number of endeavors that can be earned so far.

Indeed.

I wonder how this plays with the crowd who made a point of saying, based on the initial seal amounts, that people shouldn’t be unhappy about the drop rate as they could afford things in only a few months.

Jazraena · August 2021

Daily Endeavour rewards have been random so far. Sometimes more, sometimes less, sometimes combined with other stuff. They're very much not consistently going lower. Why they chose to have a random factor in there puzzles me, but please stop pretending that they're intentionally lowering them all the time. If they had we'd be in negative daily rewards by now.

Personally, I straight up didn't bother with many daily endeavours so far. If it works out it works out. If it doesn't, no big deal. I'm still sitting at 3000 seals now. At some point I'll get something I wouldn't have otherwise. Maybe a motif, they tend to sit around 3600.

Good stuff, IMHO.

Danikat · August 2021

I wonder if it's because they noticed there's no significant change in how many people complete endeavours or how many they do between days which offer larger numbers of seals and days which offer fewer seals, so they decided they could get away with offer fewer per day more often.

As other people have said the whole system is designed to make a show of complying with Microsoft's loot box policy (that anything from loot boxes can be earned in-game) which is itself designed to make a show of self-regulation to discourage various governments from putting legal restrictions on it.

It is not actually supposed to be a practical way of getting crown crate items and I suspect as much as possible ZOS want to make it impractical and not worth the effort so the temptation is still to buy crates instead of doing endeavours.

It's still better than nothing, but it's not as good as it could be and I doubt we'll get a better system until it actually is regulated.

Jazraena · August 2021

Danikat wrote: »

I wonder if it's because they noticed there's no significant change in how many people complete endeavours or how many they do between days which offer larger numbers of seals and days which offer fewer seals, so they decided they could get away with offer fewer per day more often.

Again, they're not getting consistently lower. This is outright false information.

starkerealm · August 2021

Jazraena wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

I wonder if it's because they noticed there's no significant change in how many people complete endeavours or how many they do between days which offer larger numbers of seals and days which offer fewer seals, so they decided they could get away with offer fewer per day more often.

Again, they're not getting consistently lower. This is outright false information.

There seems to be a pattern or rhythm with them. They go up and down. I think we saw 180 before as well. Though 30 dragon kills for 200 did feel a bit, "off."

Orion_89 · August 2021

starkerealm wrote: »

...Though 30 dragon kills for 200 did feel a bit, "off."

So much "off" that I were forced to complete maelstrom arena twice and it is after I swore to never come back there after the first completion.

hcbigdogdoghc · August 2021

It's pretty clear that we've been getting 10 or 15 seals more and more often.

Inb4 5 seals endeavor in 2022

Tra_Lalan · August 2021

To all those players who said that for the first time they were able to purchase something from the crown rewards thank to seals of endavour:

please consider creating a twitch account and connect it to your ESO account. There are currently many twitch drops campaings that allow you to earn an ouroboros crate. These crates usually dont have anything intresting inside, however you can convert all the rewards into crown gems (you will get miniumum 4 gems from a crate). With some patience you can earn a lot of gems and use them to purchase items from current crown season crates.

This is just another "free" way of accesing crown crates rewards.