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How to ruin a good suit. DREMORA DECEIVER DUSTER.
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Dithieon✭✭✭✭The Queen's Eye Spymaster outfit did it better."There is a beast in every man and it stirs when you put a sword in his hand" - Ser Jorah Mormont
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NotaDaedraWorshipper✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I posted about this costume at the Crown Store sub-forum.
Did some dye and fit testing for those curious. It dyes well, so that's a plus.
Dye:
Fit on various characters, and also the bugged buckles on the female version:
The tutu effect is worse on some characters than others, but it's not uncommon to see on costumes and styles that has something going over the butt.[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!4 -
Zhaedri✭✭✭✭I don't mind the poofiness. I think it actually looks good on my characters. What bugs me is the buckles. On the threads I've seen on this, there is no comment from Zos about fixing it. I tried contacting them in game through a support request and got a form-letter response on submitting a bug report. Not even acknowledgement of the issue or that I basically wasted 1000 crowns (10 bucks worth of crowns) on something that looks hideous on my female characters (which all but two of my characters are) due to the no-texture-bright-white buckles that don't go with ANY dye.0 -
Togal✭✭✭✭Kinda the same with ebonsteel armor, almost the whole armored set up looks amazing then they ruin it with a loin cloth/regular pants.
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Fischblut✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What bugs me is the buckles. On the threads I've seen on this, there is no comment from Zos about fixing it. I tried contacting them in game through a support request and got a form-letter response on submitting a bug report. Not even acknowledgement of the issue or that I basically wasted 1000 crowns (10 bucks worth of crowns) on something that looks hideous on my female characters (which all but two of my characters are) due to the no-texture-bright-white buckles that don't go with ANY dye.
...And I think that male version is bugged
Male version looks very bland with dark grey buckles, while female version has nice accent from these silver buckles.
I bought exactly what I saw: nice dark costume with silver buckles for my girls. For me it doesn't look weird at all.
Default dyes:
Legate Black dye for all channels (because channels are not very good in this costume for mix of different dyes):
With little silver accent, it's perfect
I really don't want them to change silver buckles into dark grey!
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Bucky_13✭✭✭✭✭
✭The outfit... eh... I can't get over the floating shoulder piece... I mean... what?!?!?!?
According to sources, every costume or motif that ZOS releases that doesn't contain at least one of the following things: ridiculously huge or floating shoulders, unnecessary hip, crotch or butt flaps or other pointless things to ruin the looks, the servers performance will decrease by a few percent. If they were to release a couple of perfect costumes/motifs in a row, it's very likely that the servers would implode.Edited by Bucky_13 on July 17, 2021 10:33AM5 -
ihazzit✭✭✭Morgha_Kul wrote: »A duster should be LONG... and have sleeves. That thing is an abomination.
Agreed. It's not a duster in any appreciable way other than the riding slit on the rear which does give that highly desired ripped lamp shade outfit style.If you are angry about anything in this game you are only punishing yourself.0 -
RisenEclipse✭✭✭✭✭*stares at the non duster duster with its really weird random shoulder piece decco*
I'm going to keep my money thanks... I like the detail in the chest section. But it really looks like they focused on designing the upper torso then gave up on it after. I just can't stop myself at seeing the boots and thinking how bland and kinda ugly they are.0 -
Nirntrotter✭✭✭✭✭Easy pass for me as well unfortunately, though I'm mostly not a fan of that feaux leather/bin bag looking material.0 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What is the deal with these one shoulder armor pieces? It looks like your character was too drunk to properly put on their armor and forgot a piece as they stumbled out the door. Nobody in their right mind would armor only one side of their body, unless they were always crab walking into battle.2 -
Nirntrotter✭✭✭✭✭What is the deal with these one shoulder armor pieces? It looks like your character was too drunk to properly put on their armor and forgot a piece as they stumbled out the door. Nobody in their right mind would armor only one side of their body, unless they were always crab walking into battle.
Ssshh, it's a fantasy game. Some of us like dramatic, asymmetrical armor.
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Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nirntrotter wrote: »What is the deal with these one shoulder armor pieces? It looks like your character was too drunk to properly put on their armor and forgot a piece as they stumbled out the door. Nobody in their right mind would armor only one side of their body, unless they were always crab walking into battle.
Ssshh, it's a fantasy game. Some of us like dramatic, asymmetrical armor.
I think this one is more suited for the comedy-drama category.
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SydneyGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm not going to buy this costume until they fix the bug with the buckles, period, and I'm a person who usually buys most every costume they release.
Still no word on them fixing the buckles. Guess I'll keep my money.0 -
Blinx✭✭✭✭✭
✭I really thought I would like this, but, it makes my male toons look ridiculous, my female toons look too manly, not to mention the clipping and dying issues, so I requested a refund.Edited by Blinx on July 18, 2021 2:34PM0 -
Kendaric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'll pass on that one, which is a shame as I like the chest/upper torso part very much. But the bottom part of the costume is just too short to look good or even decent.0 -
Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oh my god, the sleeves on this costume are a hot mess, what were they thinking? And the fluffy bottom thing, what were they thinking?Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!0 -
Lugaldu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I actually like the costume more than I thought (it looks good with tattoos on the chest). But it seems as if Bastian is less enthusiastic about it....
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hundergrn✭✭✭A Duster is a light loose coat that was traditionally full length and used to protect the clothes of the rider while on horseback or very early cars. As the use of the Duster dwindled it went from outside wear to more inside wear, for a time, before being shorted to knee length for use while on motorcycles.
This here is a more modern duster instead of your typical cowboy type. Light cloth/leather coat wtih a rear split for riding... but instead of being properly secured, they used a belt to do the work, for style, which leave the lower end floofy in contrast to the cinched upper half.
From a model design point of view, they left the phantom ass floof on the backside to have it fit better while riding mounts? Can anyone tell me if the real slit works or does the ass still stretch while galloping the lands?1 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭A Duster is a light loose coat that was traditionally full length and used to protect the clothes of the rider while on horseback or very early cars. As the use of the Duster dwindled it went from outside wear to more inside wear, for a time, before being shorted to knee length for use while on motorcycles.
This here is a more modern duster instead of your typical cowboy type. Light cloth/leather coat wtih a rear split for riding... but instead of being properly secured, they used a belt to do the work, for style, which leave the lower end floofy in contrast to the cinched upper half.
From a model design point of view, they left the phantom ass floof on the backside to have it fit better while riding mounts? Can anyone tell me if the real slit works or does the ass still stretch while galloping the lands?
Yes and no. I wouldn't even consider this even a more modern since most of those still fall below the knee to mid-shin based on most of the patterns I have (digital patterns dating back to the late 1800's to as far as 2010). As for the slits (or vents as they're normally called) have a variety of uses. It used to be for less strain on the garment while riding horses, but now they're used more to proportionally drape the length of the fabric around as well as allowing the wearer to move around easier within the garment. So they do work, but fast fashion really doesn't do proportions toward the individual who bought it which is why I often either re-sew, or redo most of what I pick up when I can't make my own.Edited by Sephyr on July 18, 2021 12:30AM1 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭A Duster is a light loose coat that was traditionally full length and used to protect the clothes of the rider while on horseback or very early cars. As the use of the Duster dwindled it went from outside wear to more inside wear, for a time, before being shorted to knee length for use while on motorcycles.
This here is a more modern duster instead of your typical cowboy type. Light cloth/leather coat wtih a rear split for riding... but instead of being properly secured, they used a belt to do the work, for style, which leave the lower end floofy in contrast to the cinched upper half.
From a model design point of view, they left the phantom ass floof on the backside to have it fit better while riding mounts? Can anyone tell me if the real slit works or does the ass still stretch while galloping the lands?
Yes and no. I wouldn't even consider this even a more modern since most of those still fall below the knee to mid-shin based on most of the patterns I have (digital patterns dating back to the late 1800's to as far as 2010). As for the slits (or vents as they're normally called) have a variety of uses. It used to be for less strain on the garment while riding horses, but now they're used more to proportionally drape the length of the fabric around as well as allowing the wearer to move around easier within the garment. So they do work, but fast fashion really doesn't do proportions toward the individual who bought it which is why I often either re-sew, or redo most of what I pick up when I can't make my own.
The costume looks like it's falling to about the right spot to me length wise. This is a modern one I saw when I looked for one.
And that looks almost right length wise to me. Might be a little shorter but the costume is accommodating boots so I think it's probably close enough.
I think it's moreso the sleeves that are the issue.Edited by spartaxoxo on July 18, 2021 12:42AM0 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »A Duster is a light loose coat that was traditionally full length and used to protect the clothes of the rider while on horseback or very early cars. As the use of the Duster dwindled it went from outside wear to more inside wear, for a time, before being shorted to knee length for use while on motorcycles.
This here is a more modern duster instead of your typical cowboy type. Light cloth/leather coat wtih a rear split for riding... but instead of being properly secured, they used a belt to do the work, for style, which leave the lower end floofy in contrast to the cinched upper half.
From a model design point of view, they left the phantom ass floof on the backside to have it fit better while riding mounts? Can anyone tell me if the real slit works or does the ass still stretch while galloping the lands?
Yes and no. I wouldn't even consider this even a more modern since most of those still fall below the knee to mid-shin based on most of the patterns I have (digital patterns dating back to the late 1800's to as far as 2010). As for the slits (or vents as they're normally called) have a variety of uses. It used to be for less strain on the garment while riding horses, but now they're used more to proportionally drape the length of the fabric around as well as allowing the wearer to move around easier within the garment. So they do work, but fast fashion really doesn't do proportions toward the individual who bought it which is why I often either re-sew, or redo most of what I pick up when I can't make my own.
The costume looks like it's falling to about the knee in that picture. This is a modern one I saw when I looked for one
And that looks almost right length wise to me.
The front of the one in the game tapers to about an inch or so below the knee, but it really wouldn't be classified as a 'duster' by most conventional patterning, even through looking at extant garments toward more modern fashion. It may 'look' like it is, but sewing a lot of these for over a decade? I know my dusters and the costume ain't it.
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spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »A Duster is a light loose coat that was traditionally full length and used to protect the clothes of the rider while on horseback or very early cars. As the use of the Duster dwindled it went from outside wear to more inside wear, for a time, before being shorted to knee length for use while on motorcycles.
This here is a more modern duster instead of your typical cowboy type. Light cloth/leather coat wtih a rear split for riding... but instead of being properly secured, they used a belt to do the work, for style, which leave the lower end floofy in contrast to the cinched upper half.
From a model design point of view, they left the phantom ass floof on the backside to have it fit better while riding mounts? Can anyone tell me if the real slit works or does the ass still stretch while galloping the lands?
Yes and no. I wouldn't even consider this even a more modern since most of those still fall below the knee to mid-shin based on most of the patterns I have (digital patterns dating back to the late 1800's to as far as 2010). As for the slits (or vents as they're normally called) have a variety of uses. It used to be for less strain on the garment while riding horses, but now they're used more to proportionally drape the length of the fabric around as well as allowing the wearer to move around easier within the garment. So they do work, but fast fashion really doesn't do proportions toward the individual who bought it which is why I often either re-sew, or redo most of what I pick up when I can't make my own.
The costume looks like it's falling to about the knee in that picture. This is a modern one I saw when I looked for one
And that looks almost right length wise to me.
The front of the one in the game tapers to about an inch or so below the knee, but it really wouldn't be classified as a 'duster' by most conventional patterning, even through looking at extant garments toward more modern fashion. It may 'look' like it is, but sewing a lot of these for over a decade? I know my dusters and the costume ain't it.
I mean that's pretty close to the one being sold in an actual store in 2021. So it's likely they modeled that duster after newer look than the ones you said you've worked with more often. 🤷♀️0 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »A Duster is a light loose coat that was traditionally full length and used to protect the clothes of the rider while on horseback or very early cars. As the use of the Duster dwindled it went from outside wear to more inside wear, for a time, before being shorted to knee length for use while on motorcycles.
This here is a more modern duster instead of your typical cowboy type. Light cloth/leather coat wtih a rear split for riding... but instead of being properly secured, they used a belt to do the work, for style, which leave the lower end floofy in contrast to the cinched upper half.
From a model design point of view, they left the phantom ass floof on the backside to have it fit better while riding mounts? Can anyone tell me if the real slit works or does the ass still stretch while galloping the lands?
Yes and no. I wouldn't even consider this even a more modern since most of those still fall below the knee to mid-shin based on most of the patterns I have (digital patterns dating back to the late 1800's to as far as 2010). As for the slits (or vents as they're normally called) have a variety of uses. It used to be for less strain on the garment while riding horses, but now they're used more to proportionally drape the length of the fabric around as well as allowing the wearer to move around easier within the garment. So they do work, but fast fashion really doesn't do proportions toward the individual who bought it which is why I often either re-sew, or redo most of what I pick up when I can't make my own.
The costume looks like it's falling to about the knee in that picture. This is a modern one I saw when I looked for one
And that looks almost right length wise to me.
The front of the one in the game tapers to about an inch or so below the knee, but it really wouldn't be classified as a 'duster' by most conventional patterning, even through looking at extant garments toward more modern fashion. It may 'look' like it is, but sewing a lot of these for over a decade? I know my dusters and the costume ain't it.
I mean that's pretty close to the one being sold in an actual store in 2021. So it's likely they modeled that duster after newer look than the ones you said you've worked with more often. 🤷♀️
The parts I circled are where the knees are on the character model in proportion to the feet pieces. Even compared to the ones in 2021, they're not exactly that short. Your close is at least a few inches off.
Edit: Furthermore, a lot of fast fashion tend to 'adopt' the names of things, but aren't actually the thing. Dusters have had this issue since the mid 80's among other articles of clothing due to the blending of concepts (ex: mixing trenchcoats with dusters, which make them a hybrid of the two — not belonging to either one specifically), even in the fabric itself. Especially when you get into natural/synthetic blends which aren't always marketed correctly. The same goes for trench coats, faux furs, leather, to even denim garments. I trust patterns and actual documentation of those garments before I trust fast fashion's 'label' as there's a distinct difference between the two.Edited by Sephyr on July 18, 2021 1:08AM1 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »A Duster is a light loose coat that was traditionally full length and used to protect the clothes of the rider while on horseback or very early cars. As the use of the Duster dwindled it went from outside wear to more inside wear, for a time, before being shorted to knee length for use while on motorcycles.
This here is a more modern duster instead of your typical cowboy type. Light cloth/leather coat wtih a rear split for riding... but instead of being properly secured, they used a belt to do the work, for style, which leave the lower end floofy in contrast to the cinched upper half.
From a model design point of view, they left the phantom ass floof on the backside to have it fit better while riding mounts? Can anyone tell me if the real slit works or does the ass still stretch while galloping the lands?
Yes and no. I wouldn't even consider this even a more modern since most of those still fall below the knee to mid-shin based on most of the patterns I have (digital patterns dating back to the late 1800's to as far as 2010). As for the slits (or vents as they're normally called) have a variety of uses. It used to be for less strain on the garment while riding horses, but now they're used more to proportionally drape the length of the fabric around as well as allowing the wearer to move around easier within the garment. So they do work, but fast fashion really doesn't do proportions toward the individual who bought it which is why I often either re-sew, or redo most of what I pick up when I can't make my own.
The costume looks like it's falling to about the knee in that picture. This is a modern one I saw when I looked for one
And that looks almost right length wise to me.
The front of the one in the game tapers to about an inch or so below the knee, but it really wouldn't be classified as a 'duster' by most conventional patterning, even through looking at extant garments toward more modern fashion. It may 'look' like it is, but sewing a lot of these for over a decade? I know my dusters and the costume ain't it.
I mean that's pretty close to the one being sold in an actual store in 2021. So it's likely they modeled that duster after newer look than the ones you said you've worked with more often. 🤷♀️
The parts I circled are where the knees are on the character model in proportion to the feet pieces. Even compared to the ones in 2021, they're not exactly that short. Your close is at least a few inches off.
Edit: Furthermore, a lot of fast fashion tend to 'adopt' the names of things, but aren't actually the thing. Dusters have had this issue since the mid 80's among other articles of clothing due to the blending of concepts (ex: mixing trenchcoats with dusters, which make them a hybrid of the two — not belonging to either one specifically), even in the fabric itself. Especially when you get into natural/synthetic blends which aren't always marketed correctly. The same goes for trench coats, faux furs, leather, to even denim garments. I trust patterns and actual documentation of those garments before I trust fast fashion's 'label' as there's a distinct difference between the two.
Just below the knee vs just above the middle of the knee is not a huge difference in length though? Like that's close, it's not like it's enough of a difference for it not to be called that for a fantasy version of the outfit that has to accomodate their technical limitations.
And I personally don't really care about pattern documents. If it's good enough to be sold as a duster in real stores with real happy customers, I think it's good enough to be called one in game.
Just seems really pedantic to refuse to accept commerical listings of a product as an example of the the recreation in a video game. If it's good enough for that cowboy store, it's good enough for me. Your mileage may vary ofc.🤷♀️Edited by spartaxoxo on July 18, 2021 1:18AM2 -
Lauranae✭✭✭✭✭and now we will have hundreds people running around in the same outfit ..... so funny
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Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »A Duster is a light loose coat that was traditionally full length and used to protect the clothes of the rider while on horseback or very early cars. As the use of the Duster dwindled it went from outside wear to more inside wear, for a time, before being shorted to knee length for use while on motorcycles.
This here is a more modern duster instead of your typical cowboy type. Light cloth/leather coat wtih a rear split for riding... but instead of being properly secured, they used a belt to do the work, for style, which leave the lower end floofy in contrast to the cinched upper half.
From a model design point of view, they left the phantom ass floof on the backside to have it fit better while riding mounts? Can anyone tell me if the real slit works or does the ass still stretch while galloping the lands?
Yes and no. I wouldn't even consider this even a more modern since most of those still fall below the knee to mid-shin based on most of the patterns I have (digital patterns dating back to the late 1800's to as far as 2010). As for the slits (or vents as they're normally called) have a variety of uses. It used to be for less strain on the garment while riding horses, but now they're used more to proportionally drape the length of the fabric around as well as allowing the wearer to move around easier within the garment. So they do work, but fast fashion really doesn't do proportions toward the individual who bought it which is why I often either re-sew, or redo most of what I pick up when I can't make my own.
The costume looks like it's falling to about the knee in that picture. This is a modern one I saw when I looked for one
And that looks almost right length wise to me.
The front of the one in the game tapers to about an inch or so below the knee, but it really wouldn't be classified as a 'duster' by most conventional patterning, even through looking at extant garments toward more modern fashion. It may 'look' like it is, but sewing a lot of these for over a decade? I know my dusters and the costume ain't it.
I mean that's pretty close to the one being sold in an actual store in 2021. So it's likely they modeled that duster after newer look than the ones you said you've worked with more often. 🤷♀️
The parts I circled are where the knees are on the character model in proportion to the feet pieces. Even compared to the ones in 2021, they're not exactly that short. Your close is at least a few inches off.
Edit: Furthermore, a lot of fast fashion tend to 'adopt' the names of things, but aren't actually the thing. Dusters have had this issue since the mid 80's among other articles of clothing due to the blending of concepts (ex: mixing trenchcoats with dusters, which make them a hybrid of the two — not belonging to either one specifically), even in the fabric itself. Especially when you get into natural/synthetic blends which aren't always marketed correctly. The same goes for trench coats, faux furs, leather, to even denim garments. I trust patterns and actual documentation of those garments before I trust fast fashion's 'label' as there's a distinct difference between the two.
Just below the knee vs just above the middle of the knee is not a huge difference in length though? Like that's close, it's not like it's enough of a difference for it not to be called that for a fantasy version of the outfit that has to accomodate their technical limitations.
And I personally don't really care about pattern documents. If it's good enough to be sold as a duster in real stores with real happy customers, I think it's good enough to be called one in game.
Just seems really pedantic to refuse to accept commerical listings of a product as an example of the the recreation in a video game. If it's good enough for that cowboy store, it's good enough for me. Your mileage may vary ofc.🤷♀️
It is when using conventional terms though. There's no technical limitations about it when other motifs in the game have fit the duster bill quite well. Mercenary and Xivkyn are a couple of examples. When you're talking about 'fantasy' versions, sure, I mean that can excuse everything I suppose, but it's not a 'duster'.
And you may not, but the fact of the matter is it's not what's actually represented. The things you're referencing are those hybridized concepts that 1) allow a quick buck compared to the materials used (as well as time to make) and 2) reach two demographics of consumers. People aren't happy that they're owning a duster, they're happy with how it looks on them. Most don't care — I do just as you don't.
Pedanticism vs education on what things actually are I find are rather pertinent for the conversation. History of the garment, materials used, understanding how they were all put together are all a part of a largely growing hobby across the globe. That's fine if it's good enough for 'you', but this thread isn't about what you like — it's about what we find wrong with the garment. I'm not going derail the thread debating it any further. You like the length, I don't and I've listed my reasons. There's really nothing left to discuss.Edited by Sephyr on July 18, 2021 1:34AM0 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »A Duster is a light loose coat that was traditionally full length and used to protect the clothes of the rider while on horseback or very early cars. As the use of the Duster dwindled it went from outside wear to more inside wear, for a time, before being shorted to knee length for use while on motorcycles.
This here is a more modern duster instead of your typical cowboy type. Light cloth/leather coat wtih a rear split for riding... but instead of being properly secured, they used a belt to do the work, for style, which leave the lower end floofy in contrast to the cinched upper half.
From a model design point of view, they left the phantom ass floof on the backside to have it fit better while riding mounts? Can anyone tell me if the real slit works or does the ass still stretch while galloping the lands?
Yes and no. I wouldn't even consider this even a more modern since most of those still fall below the knee to mid-shin based on most of the patterns I have (digital patterns dating back to the late 1800's to as far as 2010). As for the slits (or vents as they're normally called) have a variety of uses. It used to be for less strain on the garment while riding horses, but now they're used more to proportionally drape the length of the fabric around as well as allowing the wearer to move around easier within the garment. So they do work, but fast fashion really doesn't do proportions toward the individual who bought it which is why I often either re-sew, or redo most of what I pick up when I can't make my own.
The costume looks like it's falling to about the knee in that picture. This is a modern one I saw when I looked for one
And that looks almost right length wise to me.
The front of the one in the game tapers to about an inch or so below the knee, but it really wouldn't be classified as a 'duster' by most conventional patterning, even through looking at extant garments toward more modern fashion. It may 'look' like it is, but sewing a lot of these for over a decade? I know my dusters and the costume ain't it.
I mean that's pretty close to the one being sold in an actual store in 2021. So it's likely they modeled that duster after newer look than the ones you said you've worked with more often. 🤷♀️
The parts I circled are where the knees are on the character model in proportion to the feet pieces. Even compared to the ones in 2021, they're not exactly that short. Your close is at least a few inches off.
Edit: Furthermore, a lot of fast fashion tend to 'adopt' the names of things, but aren't actually the thing. Dusters have had this issue since the mid 80's among other articles of clothing due to the blending of concepts (ex: mixing trenchcoats with dusters, which make them a hybrid of the two — not belonging to either one specifically), even in the fabric itself. Especially when you get into natural/synthetic blends which aren't always marketed correctly. The same goes for trench coats, faux furs, leather, to even denim garments. I trust patterns and actual documentation of those garments before I trust fast fashion's 'label' as there's a distinct difference between the two.
Just below the knee vs just above the middle of the knee is not a huge difference in length though? Like that's close, it's not like it's enough of a difference for it not to be called that for a fantasy version of the outfit that has to accomodate their technical limitations.
And I personally don't really care about pattern documents. If it's good enough to be sold as a duster in real stores with real happy customers, I think it's good enough to be called one in game.
Just seems really pedantic to refuse to accept commerical listings of a product as an example of the the recreation in a video game. If it's good enough for that cowboy store, it's good enough for me. Your mileage may vary ofc.🤷♀️
It is when using conventional terms though. There's no technical limitations about it when other motifs in the game have fit the duster bill quite well. Mercenary and Xivkyn are a couple of examples. When you're talking about 'fantasy' versions, sure, I mean that can excuse everything I suppose, but it's not a 'duster'.
The newer meshes all seem to have the same issues crop up over and over, so I would imagine there is a technical reason for that.
And it's not really serving educational purposes when it's just nitpicking a video game outfit to the point that even real life stores wouldn't hold themselves to such a high standard. To me that's pedantry, like when people say the sky isn't blue.
You might be correct the sky isn't blue or that a pattern book might not qualify that as a duster; but if someone is painting a picture and using blue paint that looks really similar to the sky, it's honestly just nit picking.
I don't ZOS should reasonably be expected to only follow pattern makers guides to name their items. They should be able to name their items the way stores sells them, because it is the stores that set customer expectations. And stores would qualify that as a duster, so ZOS calling it that is appropriate. And it helps people make decisions.
And yes, people do enjoy types of garments that they buy because they are that type of garment. They like dusters that are sold because they are dusters, and when they shop they expect to find items within a certain range that looks like the item they got. It's just what customers view as an acceptable range (and fashion companies) is likely wider than people who get very strict based on technical documentation.Edited by spartaxoxo on July 18, 2021 2:03AM0 -
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✭✭This is my last response to you at all, @spartaxoxo.- If this was a technical issue, we'd have seen the same thing pop up with the vampire suit as that follows more of the duster format than this, but okay 'technical issues'.
- It's not serving education purposes to you, perhaps. To others, maybe.
- [snip] Respect that I don't want to engage with you.
[edited for baiting/flaming]Edited by ZOS_Icy on July 18, 2021 11:21AM1