You may argue for gold sinks all you want, but the fact remains item decay right now is flat out broken. No question.

It cannot be intentional for decay on death to be virtually trivial, and decay from just fighting to be insanely punishing. It's completely inverted at the moment, you're punished more for fighting than you are for dying.

I'm in full support of the current price of repairs. The gold sink is needed and removing it would have some terrible downsides. However as pointed out there is indeed a bug or terrible design flaw with the decay of gear and even if you don't get hit it degrades. So it needs to be fixed. The price needs to stay the same though.

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

I'm in full support of the current price of repairs. The gold sink is needed and removing it would have some terrible downsides.

If I run around playing as intended through questing and gathering some mats, I would barely have enough gold to cover the repair costs. Let alone saving up for anything else. I'm struggling just trying to save up 20K+ for my next bank upgrade. IMHO the current repair cost is just too high. Lowering the high cost of repair, and lowering the decay would have way less downsides then leaving it as it is right now. I actually cannot think of any downsides to lowering it. There should only be decay when you die as a penalty. The downside to leaving it how high it currently is, could lead to farming and grinding, which I believe that's something the devs do not intend players to do.

Guys I have noticed that in cold harbor alone, my gear is wearing out 2x as fast as before. I'm not dying allot either, in the pvp area my guild and I did a dungeon we went in with basicly perfect gear too 0 amour in about a hour. No deaths, I really think somthing is broken

Knottypine wrote: »

If I run around playing as intended through questing and gathering some mats, I would barely have enough gold to cover the repair costs. Let alone saving up for anything else. I'm struggling just trying to save up 20K+ for my next bank upgrade. IMHO the current repair cost is just too high. Lowering the high cost of repair, and lowering the decay would have way less downsides then leaving it as it is right now. I actually cannot think of any downsides to lowering it. There should only be decay when you die as a penalty. The downside to leaving it how high it currently is, could lead to farming and grinding, which I believe that's something the devs do not intend players to do.

Funny, I had no issue with that and I'm sitting on 40k gold at level 45 after maxing out my bag and bank space. And I didn't get my horse until I hit level 19 because I preordered the standard edition instead of the imperial. The price of repairs is fine, the rate at which it degrades is the issue.

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

Knottypine wrote: »

If I run around playing as intended through questing and gathering some mats, I would barely have enough gold to cover the repair costs. Let alone saving up for anything else. I'm struggling just trying to save up 20K+ for my next bank upgrade. IMHO the current repair cost is just too high. Lowering the high cost of repair, and lowering the decay would have way less downsides then leaving it as it is right now. I actually cannot think of any downsides to lowering it. There should only be decay when you die as a penalty. The downside to leaving it how high it currently is, could lead to farming and grinding, which I believe that's something the devs do not intend players to do.

Funny, I had no issue with that and I'm sitting on 40k gold at level 45 after maxing out my bag and bank space. And I didn't get my horse until I hit level 19 because I preordered the standard edition instead of the imperial. The price of repairs is fine, the rate at which it degrades is the issue.

@Arsenic_Touch‌ I think you're missing a very critical point, gear degradation has been changed. Before 4/20 it was fine, now stuff degrades at a ludicrous rate, to the point that, if someone picked up the game today, and tried to play, they would be unable to both repair their gear and save up for inventory upgrades.

EDIT: To be clear, I'm in roughly the same situation you are. I've got a 32, and about 20k across my account. But, if I want to keep that gold, I can't afford to play. Right now, my characters barely break even with their repair costs and income, so it's just not a long term option.

Still has to be a bug. It isn't universal. That's why more people aren't going crazy over this.

Just played 3 1/2 hours on my now level 30 sorc. (in all light armor) and replaced my level 26 gear (repair cost 624 gp)... I didn't pay it because I was making new stuff.

Died 5 times.. fought tons of stuff including going back int sangiune's open group dungeon. 2 friends I was with were about he same ~ 700 gp for the day's run (both using med armor).

Crafted 15 mins w/ my temp. needed 0 repairs, ended 0 repairs.

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Patch notes for the test server say that they are turning down the decay rate in some group dungeons. Maybe you are all bugged and stuck flagged for a higher decay area? It seems you are all affected on the account level too right? All of your chars decay fast?

reggielee wrote: »

I would like to see some sort of crafting reduced cost for repair, an incremental reduction based on crafting level. It is disheartening to finally get a nice weapon or armor piece, only to have to shelve it in a week due to repair cost. I dread end game with hard earned sets.. but perhaps by then gold wont be as much of a problem as it is in early levels.

A week?? 20-30 minutes. For me it isn't the gold, its just the pain in the ass of having to go back to town or carry a ton of repair kits.

Can't be, because it isn't happening to me. Either i'm bugged and my gear is decaying slower than you, or you are bugged and are decaying too fast.

Everyone complaining seems to be decaying 4X as fast as I am at the same levels.

Something isn't working right.

If you wear gear the same level as yourself, it decays slower, then wearing lower level gear.

But it gets 'insane' with only one level difference at Veteran levels, forcing you to upgrade.

I have noticed the seriously damage to gear when we quest for more than 30 minutes depending on the fighting (whether we fight mobs or not). I was hoping this was a bug per say. As far as gold sinks, well there are some already in game and the loot and gold drops are just out right amusing because they don't add up to diddly. I want vendor wages and sale my wares for their prices. I don't like that my armor cost 500g to repair, but if I sell it I might get 150 gold..XD.

But that is me. Now my fiancé who absolutely loves this game and has the patience of a saint as well as tolerance swore the other day when he repaired. He added up all the repair cost and figure out he lost 2k and that was with quest rewards. I was shocked because he rarely swears. When a game punishes a player for questing, killing mobs, or not giving at least some kind of rewards in quests and loot drops to make a little to save for a rainy day..well they are gonna mess themselves up and find that they took the express way to F2P.

I don't craft as much because I NEED to sell just about everything I get in loot and quest rewards to pay for my repairs and my horse feed. Yes, it's exciting (smirks). But on a bright note! I foresee with all this and the decay of armor, come fall I will be enjoying questing with fiancé in another MMO. If things don't change by then. I do like the game, I loved the game in Beta...But now I've played more than the weekend and face so many issues in game...I just lose the fun of playing it.

Honestly, what genuinely pisses me off about this is the devs *** refuse to comment. I don't expect them to wander in on Sunday, and make a special statement today, but it's been a week. An entire *** week. No word. Important things like, "will we get a Khajiiti avatar for the forums?" Yeah, that gets a response. Something that is literally punishing players for, well, playing the game, and discouraging people from getting online? We're not sure what's wrong, but something is, and it's making it difficult to play? Yeah, that's just peachy.

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

SaibotLiu wrote: »

This is when MMO's start to suck, if players get listened to when it comes to obstacles being too hard. Im the opposite, if I see a trend develop and they start making the game easier, I know I'll be a couple of steps closer to quitting this game. The repair bill serves a valuable purpose as a gold sink. If you diminish this significantly, suddenly everyone is available to save large quantities of gold, and your economy goes to crap. Im already able to save plenty of cash to do whatever I want, now when not so savvy players are able to save, it only amplifies what the more industrious players are able to do, then you have a problem because now those players whinging about repair costs before cant afford the elevated prices due to inflation. So really, bad players are just bad, if you balance the game around them, your game will be bad. Dont do that.

No offense to anyone intended, Ive just seen this happen dozen of times in an MMO, this post is nothing if not right on cue. For once lets just try to play smarter instead of begging for things to be easier. Its better for everyone.

Completely agree. The same thing happened because a bunch of whiners came on here and said the beginning was too un-Elder Scroll like so they made a change to have people go straight to the mainland. The idiots on these forums are not game designers, and do NOT represent the majority (who typically don't come to the forum to post).

Hey, you know what the problem with the whole "silent majority" argument is? It's that you don't know what the hell is going on with the silent majority, so clearly they're on your side in this debate, because they all think exactly like you. Wait. Let me think about that for a minute. No, something's off there.

While it is true that forums serve as a kind of echoing chamber, and it's also true that a fraction of the game's population will hit the forums, it is dangerously naive to believe that the forums are in no way representative of the community at large. Particularly when it comes to issues that appear to be bugs.

Now, hey, this could just be a massive stealth nerf to drive people to the goldsellers, what do I know. I've only been watching my repair costs and seeing my gear go from having a degradation to being made out of paper mache in the course of one patch.

But, hey, if you want, you can just tell me to shut the hell up, because if there's no movement from the dev staff on this soon, I'm done... I see no reason to support a game that feels it's okay to just flat out ignore players with issues.

starkerealm wrote: »

Mauzi wrote: »

• Wielding ranged weapons will reduce your repairs to low levels

This one's not 100% accurate. The character I was doing my last bout of tests on was a bow wielding nightblade, and I was seeing deterioration from attacks and power usage.

It's possible they tried to implement deterioration to weapons and borked it, but I don't know.

It's like I said before, they simply implemented a quest tax system, not an actual gear damage system. If I had to guess, your repair bill is just the output of some function that takes into account time/xp/gold earned.

The top quote is false. I've had ridiculous amounts of repair bills just using a bow and never taking a scratch of damage.