JKorr wrote: »

No worries. Don't be surprised when the dead horse references start though. Good luck changing player behavior, or convincing ZOS that behavior that upsets you is actually briefing and needs official action taken against the offender.

I think to reemphasize the spirit and intent of my post was not just to complain, nor was it to change behavior. Nowhere did I make either attempt. The primary goal of this post was to understand the type of player who does it. Even a cursory glance at the "thousands" of posts you referenced earlier do not emphasize the motivation of my post (just a cursory glance), thereby making my post pretty unique.

In my original post, I state the behavior was legal. I was not attempting to change ZOS's mind about the legality of the behavior. I don't know why you reached that conclusion.

I don't want to change anyone's behavior. I also don't know why/how you reached that conclusion.

As stated in my original post, I want to understand their motivations for their behavior (people who partially loot chests) and would enjoy hearing them speak up. The behavior of partially looting chests is upsetting and I'd like to know and hear from the people who do it.

Players who leave chests annoy me as well, and they usually do it in places others want to farm. It feels terrible when you spot a chest, take some effort getting to it, and it was already looted mostly.

Partial fix: No longer let the excavation skill highlight already opened chests.
Full fix: Give us a gameplay setting to no longer see already opened chests. (best fix!)
Cruel full fix: Let chests immediately despawn when the loot window is closed for the first time.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

marshill88 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Items left in chests don't do anything but give you free stuff. It's your own attitude that affects whether getting that free stuff is a good or bad thing.

Hypothetical: John goes out and farm 10 nodes, and all 10 nodes have only worms. John is unhappy. By your logic, it's John's problem since John should be thankful he got some free stuff. John is the one with the problem, and the guy who left worms behind is the good guy. Yikes, lol.

The guy who left behind the items isn't a good guy. And he isn't a bad guy. He is neutral. He's just a guy who didn't want worms.

And John's attitude about whether he sees it as some coins to make or some trash to delete are entirely his own responsibility. He's being presented with a free item. His emotions and attitude about it are his own to manage.

fair enough! I'll leave with the opinion that John is grieved and has just cause of feeling grieved and the guy who left worms is lame. But I get your point, I'll just disagree

redspecter23 wrote: »

Ksariyu wrote: »

Like, I understand the frustration. But really it's just poor game design. Can't blame the players too much for not actively inconveniencing themselves for someone who may or may not come along.

Like I said earlier. Two types of people. Those that will inconvenience others by leaving things and those that inconvenience themselves and spend a bit of time cleaning out the chest for the next person. Once someone is made aware that these trash items bother others, any time they do it, they are knowingly causing inconvenience to others for the convenience of themselves. Whether or not they care about that inconvenience is another story and determines whether it's malicious or if they honestly just don't care.

You're right on the two types of people thing, though I don't think most people who leave stuff in the chests do it maliciously. I'd say 99% of them honestly just don't care. That said, maybe ZoS should implement a better design so this isn't a big issue. Potential solution: Chests/Nodes are removed once their primary/high value item(s) has been removed. That way people who really want the other stuff can still get it, and those that really don't want to waste the time (And it is a waste of time for most) don't have to.

"Maybe they ran out of inventory space," I thought. No big deal.
Then another one, and another one. By the fourth chest, I knew there was a narcissistic little brat running around who couldn't care less about anyone else.

I regularly see partially looted chests with just style item inside and nodes with just crawlers even during free ESO+ trials, when literally every player has craft bag... These people are just rude, there is no other explanation for such behavior (especially when it's few chests/nodes in a row)

marshill88 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

marshill88 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Items left in chests don't do anything but give you free stuff. It's your own attitude that affects whether getting that free stuff is a good or bad thing.

Hypothetical: John goes out and farm 10 nodes, and all 10 nodes have only worms. John is unhappy. By your logic, it's John's problem since John should be thankful he got some free stuff. John is the one with the problem, and the guy who left worms behind is the good guy. Yikes, lol.

The guy who left behind the items isn't a good guy. And he isn't a bad guy. He is neutral. He's just a guy who didn't want worms.

And John's attitude about whether he sees it as some coins to make or some trash to delete are entirely his own responsibility. He's being presented with a free item. His emotions and attitude about it are his own to manage.

fair enough! I'll leave with the opinion that John is grieved and has just cause of feeling grieved and the guy who left worms is lame. But I get your point, I'll just disagree

I used to think as you did. I actually used to think that the chests or nodes wouldn't respawn if they weren't fully picked. I even was that lady who wanted to speak to the manager about it, and lectured people in zone.

Then I learned that they do in fact respawn the same regardless. But, I didn't let that stop my annoyance and anger. Oh no! So I continued to lecture people anyway because damn it, didn't you know that people would be disappointed! How rude! How inconsiderate! ZoS SHOULD DO SOMETHING!

But then one day I was ranting in zone. And a partial looter offered an apology. "I thought someone else might like it, sorry " And I realized this guy was actually trying his best to be kind and empathetic. He didn't do it to upset me just for the lols. He was actually trying to be nice.

Another person said "yeah I'm not gonna delete something I need just because.. " well the rest would get me banned to post. Very rude, but also quite fair? I wouldn't want someone to delete something they needed just so they can pickup up a bleakrock treasure map.

I stopped taking it personal that stuff was left behind but still harbored a grudge. And then I ran out of pitch while decorating one of my many homes. I tried finding some in shops but nobody was selling it in big quantities and what little was there, was really overpriced. I had to put my house on hold for weeks as I tediously tried to get more pitch. I farmed a lot. And when I ran across chests with green quality nonset bows or staffs, I became excited. I was like "yes! Maybe I'll get pitch!"

And actually needing the trash is what finally made me no longer resent the people who were leaving the trash behind. I came to realize that one man's trash is another one's treasure. And that the person who really needed to check their atttiude was me.

Now, do I still get a bit disappointed when I get to a chest that I don't need? Yes. But I actually think about if it was useful or not. Worms actually sell for a decent amount all things considered. That green gear is good for housing. Knowing a farmer is in the area is also really useful because it saves me from having to overlap paths and spending a whole lotta time on a whole lotta nothing.

And so now, I dont get mad at the partial looter anymore. I realize it's a me problem. I wish I could say I came to that conclusion altruistically, but in truth, I am finally gonna fess up that I didn't. I needed the trash loot and it was glad for it once upon a time, and that was responsible for the sea change. Haha.

So now I don't see partial looting as a good or bad act. Most of the time their bag was probably full. Sometimes it's someone actually trying to be nice. And sometimes it's just someone selfish. It's neutral and the good or bad of it depends on the motivations of the looter. It's also totally out of my control.

I can choose to be aggrieved by it. Or I can choose to have a positive perspective. It's really up to me.

Chips_Ahoy wrote: »

marshill88 wrote: »

Do you lack empathy? Do you kick people out of groups over gear? Do you feel entitled to things? Do you get angry easily? I want to understand your personality type. Personally, I cannot understand why someone would do this, and I'd like to know who you are, thank you.

Funny.

You want ZOS to ban a mod because you don't like it, where is your empathy?

And from what I see, you also get angry easily.

"Personally, I cannot understand why someone would do this, and I'd like to know who you are, thank you."

I think an exploitive mod shouldn't be allowed, yes indeed.
I don't like griefing, do you? Maybe we differ on those definitions. I'm glad I have a fan though. Thank you!

Sanctum74 wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

marshill88 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Items left in chests don't do anything but give you free stuff. It's your own attitude that affects whether getting that free stuff is a good or bad thing.

Hypothetical: John goes out and farm 10 nodes, and all 10 nodes have only worms. John is unhappy. By your logic, it's John's problem since John should be thankful he got some free stuff. John is the one with the problem, and the guy who left worms behind is the good guy. Yikes, lol.

Except that the alternative if the previous person were fully looting the nodes is that John wouldn't find any nodes to farm in the first place.

Not true because the nodes would respawn quicker and John wouldn’t be wasting his time going to junk nodes when he could have been farming good ones.

Respawn is not affected. It's the same no matter what.

Sanctum74 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

marshill88 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Items left in chests don't do anything but give you free stuff. It's your own attitude that affects whether getting that free stuff is a good or bad thing.

Hypothetical: John goes out and farm 10 nodes, and all 10 nodes have only worms. John is unhappy. By your logic, it's John's problem since John should be thankful he got some free stuff. John is the one with the problem, and the guy who left worms behind is the good guy. Yikes, lol.

Except that the alternative if the previous person were fully looting the nodes is that John wouldn't find any nodes to farm in the first place.

Not true because the nodes would respawn quicker and John wouldn’t be wasting his time going to junk nodes when he could have been farming good ones.

Respawn is not affected. It's the same no matter what.

Yes it is affected since it has to despawn before it can go into a respawn cycle.

No. It doesn't. The respawn timer starts right away and not at despawn.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

marshill88 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Items left in chests don't do anything but give you free stuff. It's your own attitude that affects whether getting that free stuff is a good or bad thing.

Hypothetical: John goes out and farm 10 nodes, and all 10 nodes have only worms. John is unhappy. By your logic, it's John's problem since John should be thankful he got some free stuff. John is the one with the problem, and the guy who left worms behind is the good guy. Yikes, lol.

Except that the alternative if the previous person were fully looting the nodes is that John wouldn't find any nodes to farm in the first place.

Not true because the nodes would respawn quicker and John wouldn’t be wasting his time going to junk nodes when he could have been farming good ones.

Respawn is not affected. It's the same no matter what.

Yes it is affected since it has to despawn before it can go into a respawn cycle.

No. It doesn't. The respawn timer starts right away and not at despawn.

You have proof of this statement? How long does a chest take to despawn? How long is the respawn cycle? Can a chest resapawn before it despawns, creating 2 chests on the same location?

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Word on the street is that the respawn timer for chests starts as soon as they're opened, regardless of whether they're emptied or not.

they do. so the chest farmer either sees nothing... or the partially looted chest. either way they get more than they would have (even if the partially looted chest doesn't usually contain much of value)