Many top PVPers say that the curent BG scene is in a good spot. The avarage player of course it will complain. But the fact that he complains that damage or tankyness are either too hight or too low means that they are right where they should be..
An Arena scene would real new life into the PVP scene by giving PVPers something to aim for.
ESport would bring new eyes towards a game and this brings many new players into ESO.
I don't care what "Top PvPers" have to say about Battlegrounds, as they don't relate to me in the slightest. I care more about the on-the-ground average player's opinion than someone who is living in their own world
You keep talking about "Bringing ESports" to the game, but let me tell you that you CANNOT force an E-Sports scene onto a game. You have to let it materialize organically, forcing it and trying to make a game around an E-Sports scene makes the game feel less about playing for the fun of it and more "You MUST play to be the best". I want to play PvP to have fun, not to aspire to be some kind of top-ranked super l33t PvP player.
Just look at what happened to Heroes of the Storm, another game from Blizzard; Game is really fun to play, but Activision and Blizzard tried to force an E-Sports scene onto it, and when it didn't kick off they abandoned the game completely.
No you cannot force an eSport out of nothing but you can give a game the tools to evolve into an eSport. ESO at the moment has no such tool.
Arenas would be exactly that: an environement (tool) in which a game can evolve into an eSport, with all the fame and money it comes with it.
ZOS has nothing to lose and everything to gain by implementing Arenas.
@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_BrianWheeler
Many top PVPers say that the curent BG scene is in a good spot. The avarage player of course it will complain. But the fact that he complains that damage or tankyness are either too hight or too low means that they are right where they should be..
An Arena scene would real new life into the PVP scene by giving PVPers something to aim for.
ESport would bring new eyes towards a game and this brings many new players into ESO.
I don't care what "Top PvPers" have to say about Battlegrounds, as they don't relate to me in the slightest. I care more about the on-the-ground average player's opinion than someone who is living in their own world
You keep talking about "Bringing ESports" to the game, but let me tell you that you CANNOT force an E-Sports scene onto a game. You have to let it materialize organically, forcing it and trying to make a game around an E-Sports scene makes the game feel less about playing for the fun of it and more "You MUST play to be the best". I want to play PvP to have fun, not to aspire to be some kind of top-ranked super l33t PvP player.
Just look at what happened to Heroes of the Storm, another game from Blizzard; Game is really fun to play, but Activision and Blizzard tried to force an E-Sports scene onto it, and when it didn't kick off they abandoned the game completely.
No you cannot force an eSport out of nothing but you can give a game the tools to evolve into an eSport. ESO at the moment has no such tool.
Arenas would be exactly that: an environement (tool) in which a game can evolve into an eSport, with all the fame and money it comes with it.
ZOS has nothing to lose and everything to gain by implementing Arenas.
@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_BrianWheeler
Battlegrounds were implemented, and they didn't kick off any E-Sports scene. What makes you think that Arenas will have the ability to kick off an E-Sports scene?
The only way I can see it MAYBE working, is if you go in to these Arenas and are wearing gear given to you by a Blademaster, rather than it being you going in to these with whatever armor you are wearing. That way you can have a bit more of a balanced playing field where gear and CP isn't going to be the deciding factor, but rather how you utilize your skills and movement.
At the very least it will be in the "Good spot" where you can go in, fight and not feel like you've been run over because someone has a set of gear that overpowers everything, or you yourself overpower everyone because they didn't have as strong gear as you.
@WolfyRaps A 7 year old game running on an even older engine, full of bugs and only 2 server locations sounds like a great place for an eSport.
A competitive player doesn't need a house, companion, outfits, pets, quests to complete or a story to uncover. They don't need trader guilds, dungeon finder, trial runs, dolmen grinds or world bosses.
So no Crowns bought, subs paid or DLC picked up for the most part.
Just grab the game during free period, grind a toon and enter the competition ZOS paid for...no.. Basically eSports will appeal to a minute population of the game compared to whats out there having a merry adventure with some friends or decorating a house.
Competitve 1v1 would have about 40 regular players on leader boards max on any given server imo, not worth investing for such a low pop.
Spreadicus wrote: »I would personally love to see a version of battlegrounds that isn't a three-way [snip] fest. I realize there's three different factions but surely there's enough players to randomize team vs. team games.
Or just take the factions out of the battleground equation. Just make it red team verse blue team.
1v1 duels would be cool as well. 👍
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I'd like to see arbitrary number of players & arbitrary number of teams duel-like system, where 1 person is organiser and can add/exclude people and start the match.
It needs No-CP switch! Duels too, actually.
That gonna fix a lot of issues - it will bybass queue, it will allow tournaments, it will allow so many different game scenarios.
- The format will be AvA (not AvAvA like the current BGs),
- The arena maps will be much smaller, all the matches will be in deathmatch format,
- The ELO like rating will be visible and the ladderboards would last season long,
- Similar rated teams will fight each-other,
- There will be unique rewards and titles for the top teams at the end of each season.
TheBonesXXX wrote: »
- The format will be AvA (not AvAvA like the current BGs),
- The arena maps will be much smaller, all the matches will be in deathmatch format,
- The ELO like rating will be visible and the ladderboards would last season long,
- Similar rated teams will fight each-other,
- There will be unique rewards and titles for the top teams at the end of each season.
No. I didn't want BGs.
I would still prefer a queue like system where the game pairs you against equally rated teams/players. It would make things "official" and much easier. It would give everyone the freedom to play Arenas as duel or team duel whenever they want, without depending on an organizer that would have to do the work of finding equally skilled players..
Spreadicus wrote: »I would personally love to see a version of battlegrounds that isn't a three-way [snip] fest. I realize there's three different factions but surely there's enough players to randomize team vs. team games.
Or just take the factions out of the battleground equation. Just make it red team verse blue team.
1v1 duels would be cool as well. 👍
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I think BGs are ok as they are and they should remain AvAvA. As they curently designed a 3rd team is needed to break the domination of one team over another. BGs would not be fun at all if you are stuck for 10 minutes not being able to jump off your platform without being killed imediatly.
The problem is another. ESO by it's very design promotes a huge skill gap. The difference is absolutly astronomical betweek a player that spent thousends of hours developping his skills against the best competition is duels and a new player just trying out PVP. It is much more pronounced than in WOW because the combat is more fluid, more fast paced and it allows many more options.
These "maniac" PVPers will get into BGs in lack of a better choice and make everybody cry for balance in class or gear because the avarage PVPer simply cannot understand how much better a veteran PVPer can be and why he seem to take no damage while wracking everything in its path.
An Arena system would simply give "maniacs" an environement to focus on other than duels in Bergama.
It would be good for the health of the game to have the casual friendly BGs without the hardcore players spaming BGs day in day out.
I even think that Arenas will be popular for the avarage players because they will stabilise their "ELO" rating and be matched agains equally skilled players afterwards. The matches will be short (as oposed to 10 minutes+ BGs) and very rewarding even at low rating.
Rewards for PvP are a joke, the Daily Random reward is 1 transmute stone and a purple item from an ancient set.
The dungeon equivalent gets 10 transmute plus loot along the way, and requires much less competence.
TheBonesXXX wrote: »
- The format will be AvA (not AvAvA like the current BGs),
- The arena maps will be much smaller, all the matches will be in deathmatch format,
- The ELO like rating will be visible and the ladderboards would last season long,
- Similar rated teams will fight each-other,
- There will be unique rewards and titles for the top teams at the end of each season.
No. I didn't want BGs.
So you are worried that it will take players out of Cyro as BGs did ?
TheBonesXXX wrote: »There's no reason to dedicate anymore resources to anything PvP other than Cyrodiil and sewers.
I'd prefer they remove BGs entirely.
Greasytengu wrote: »