I killed an Altmer VR3 vampire 1v1 on my fresh level 10 Argonian DK. Silver bolts was key and that she gave me time to get an uppercut in with my 2-hander.

Klimarov wrote: »

i Don't think that unprepared zerg, without silver bolts should even touch vampires at night. Night is Vampire time, didn't you know they were immortal and only holy water and silver can damage them.

Sigh here we go again....

1) I were fighting the Empress from RANGE with SILVER BOLTS.
Results; NOTHING. It didnt do ANYTHING! The absurd abuse/exploit healing totally overshadowed any Silver damage. And the 5% chance to proc a big hit is not happening, 5% = 1 in 20 shots, and you can maybe fire 4-5 shots pr stamina bar = not gonna happen without a LUCKY shot.

2) IF and I say IF you want Vamps to be uber at night, they need to be gimped at day, or you have a HORRIBLY unbalanced game where everyone and their grandmother use their head and become vamps. If you do not understand this, you have no clue how a PvP MMO works.

ZakyUchiha wrote: »

I'm just going to post the top comment from the vid, since you guys do not understand what's happening and it is pretty accurate.


You lot who are saying that Emperors are supposed to be strong dont really get what is going on here
What you see in this video is the guy playing the current empress exploiting unintended mechanic that only works if a player meets certain requirements:
1) being a stage 4 vampire (60% spell cost reduction affecting ultimate ability!)
2) having a morphed vampiric self-healing ultimate ability
3) being a sorc or a dragon knight ( ultimate cost reduction passives)
4) having a specific armor set that also reduce ultimate cost
5) having a mist form
6) being an emperor

Now what is happening actually?
In short, if a player meets these requirements he can have ultimate ability cost reduced to 4 , even 0 in some cases. What does it mean? It means he can spam extremely strong self healing ability INDEFINITELY doing huge amount of damage
What;s worse. He can turn into a mist form that has 75% damage reduction AND receive ultimate self healing from the bat swarm which is not supposed to happen based on how the mist form works. A vampire in a mist form CANT get healing. BUT they missed that it doesn't affect ultimate ability bat swarm.
The thing is. The more people around the empress the more invulnerable she is.
We managed to kill her one time when she was alone avoiding being close to her , keeping distance and it took 50+ players. BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if she is with her own group.
It is totally broken mechanic exploiting mist form+ bat swarm

Yeea NO...

This has NOTHING to do with being a Vampire In Nym's case.
Nym Is a Dragon Knight.

Now, what does that mean?

Actually, what is at work here is the DK damage mitigation bonus.

More people, more damage mitigation, in this case, a constant 100% damage mitigation, even if she had 0 heals per second, her health would not have dropped an inch.


That is both absurd, and genious... and i personally, LOVE IT! xD

It makes pvp less boring. And also gives you a damn good laugh when you watch noobs like these from a distance xD

Thing is, people blame the bat swarm, but... in this particular scene, the bat swarm was just a lackey, a goon, compared to the real problem :P

The attacks against her were constant, and the bat swarm heal only ticks once per second, and the timing does not differ from target to target.

let's say 50 000 damage every NANOsecond, is what she recieves, and she heals 15 000 health every NORMAL second...

In other words, its not bat swarm heal that is doing this.

It's damage mitigation, silence all you want, do as much damage as you want, the damage mitigation just nullifies your effort.

Something like this can only be killed 1v1, Or with a proper group.
and thats just fine by me tbh.

Oh btw, dunno if you noticed, the vampire emperor there... only has 4 000 health

So a scenario like that isnt even possible with bat swarm alone.

So, ask yourself. Which Is more OP? A small AoE ulti that does 200 dmg 200 heal.
But can easily be dodged, healing reducted, Silver bolted, Fire dmg'd, SILENCED? CC'd, and just dodged.

Or the DK's damage mitigation? Cause If there Is a set number of enemies.
Then he will have 100% dmg mitigation.
Incase u don't understand It means he has 100% chance to take 0 dmg from all incoming attacks.

Even If she did lose HP. She has the DK's Inhale.
Which, by the way heals ALOT more than Vampire Ultimate.

Another factor that must be calculated Is the fact that 90% of the time It's low lvl guys. For example In the video of Nym vs NPC's
(What we in Ebonheart call the dominion)

A lvl 10-49. has NO chance to fight a V1-V10.
And It WILL be and SHOULD.

In any other MMO somone of 10 lvl's higher usually 1 shots you and takes 90% less dmg from your attacks. This is not the case In ESO.
So be glad you are given a chance, And with gaming communite as bad as It Is today. Chances are that a lvl 10 can wreck a V10. Cause somone who *** and whines about losing to a ''vampire'' Couldn't possibly be good at PvP.

Because If he was good. no f*ck good. If he was better than a kindergardner
Then he would've had a few things on his action bar.

Silver bolt,
Mage light,
Backlash, NB healing reduction, Sorc CC, DK Talons. (Depends on ur class)
Some Magicka CC.
And a few more Fighters guild spells.
Did u know, Fighters guild ''Turn undead'' Works on players?
use that next time u need to mass fear Vamps

Killing Vampires Is the easiest thing In the world.
People just need to learn that PvP In ESO Isn't Zerg vs Zerg.

And If your zerg Is wiped by a mere handful of people. Don't come crying
Those people are veterans, Elite MMO players.
And most likely been practising teamwork for weeks!

Not to mention a ''zerg'' the mere word spells out weak.
A zerg Is... like that time you went with 100-300 Elite troops vs 10.000 Peasants In Any of the Total War games. I know If u played Total War. You did do a custom battle atleast once, with a small Elite unit fully upgraded. vs Max amount of weakest unit.

And Just like the veterans charge Into the peasant army. The peasants lose morale as more and more get slaughtered.
your standard ESO zerg's the exact copy. They see their friends get killed.
And they run away. Panic, and stop thinking rationally
If the peasants In Total War wouldn't flee. They would've won.
But a Zerg Is and always will be. A Zerg. It is a pile of the weakest among weak players. grouping together to stand a chance against the top of the food chain predators. However a true Predator doesn't get beaten by a zerg. He finds the lowest lvl enemies and kills them instantly and without effort.
Once all the lvl 10-30 lowbies are dead. Then half the zergs dead.
Now he just keeps killing lowbies until only 40-V1 guys remain. At that point however they will most likely have routed already.

Point is.
Vampires aren't the problem here. It's Tank specs being viable In PvP.
(DK, dmg mitigation,Inhale, and all those armors)

And zergs can NEVER hope to win against a Premade Team / Guild.

+ Those who are crying about vampires are usually fools who didn't account for the other important aspects
(The fact the enemy was V10 and you and your zerg were lvl 10-30 and 1 lvl 45 who was looked at like a god. But then got 1 shot anyways.)

Now this is quite a long comment so I'll end it now.
Even though I'd love to spit out atleast 5x this much

Funny how a lot of people are crying saying vamps are op where infact they are very very easy to kill provided both of you are on the same level. Im guessing these people are those low level noobs who think that everything should be given to them on a silver plate.

Wake up whiny babies. This is an mmo. Level and gears and correct builds affect your gameplay pvp and pve wise. I dont think vamps are op at all. Just pop a mage light to see them coming and its easy as hell to counter them. Just dont let them get near you and youre good.

Your zerg got owned by 2 vamps? You must be a group of 30+ who has no idea what theyre doing and got owned by a couple of veteran ranked vamps.


Imo vamps are pretty balance. Its those dks and nbs that are op. The way that dks mitigate so much damage makes them invulnerable tanks in vamp mode. Other class with vampire tree line are pretty much normal.


So its not the vamp that is the problem here

No, problem is Sorcs and DKs. They are too flexible a class and have access to extremely good builds that synergies with many other skills in addition to their inherent powerful class skills. I can tell ya, a Templar or Nightblade emperor will never be able to do this!!! That is not class balance.

Nerf NOTHING
Let these babies either learn how to play and adapt their strategies
OR
they can ragequit ESO

Really so sick of people dying and then crying for things to be nerfed

I watched two vampires 2v50 a group and live...that mist form is ridiculous...

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

Takanami wrote: »

Nerf NOTHING
Let these babies either learn how to play and adapt their strategies
OR
they can ragequit ESO

Really so sick of people dying and then crying for things to be nerfed

I wish people who don't PvP would stop responding to this.

To be fair... he could be facerolling a Vampire Dragonknight in Cyrodill as we type... screaming "IT'S INTENDED BEHAVIOR! IT'S INTENDED BEHAVIOR! YOU CAN'T SEE ME, I'M A VAMPIRE!" in chat as he rampages through zerg after zerg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJYQkBm_kWM&feature=player_detailpage#t=556


the two vamps wrecking a whole zerg made me think the zerg leader was Yuan Shao himself!

SunfireKnight86 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Can we get word on if this is all intended or not?

Yes plz, some kind of response, or at least if something is going to be done about it?

To sum it up:
Bite me!

Rai wrote: »

honestly, this sounds like 5 or 6 lvl 10 newbies where out strolling about, and 2 high level vamps wiped the floor with them....now they think that vamps are op

no offense intended here, but there is no such thing as 2 players wiping a zerg, unless the zerg in question consists of players that pvp for the first time, or are extremely low level

you will see a lot of DKs trying to solo small zergs and groups of players, by using standard of might & burning talons etc, and I can personally confirm from the experience I made on my DK, that it can work....however if you try the same thing and end up facing a group of players that know what they're doing, you immediately notice the difference -> quicker and smarter reactions combined with a mass of stuns, roots and other CCs going your way, followed by high dps skills...boom you're dead - previously you could solo the same amount of players, and now you had no chance -> its all in the skill and pvp experience of the players you are facing

as for vampire nightblades:
the drain essence skill of vamps can be interrupted with a simple stunbreak, LMB+RMB default button...if a nightblade goes into invisible mode during your fight, start blocking and the attack he throws at you from invi will be reduced to crap....if you get stealth-ganked by a player that had the element of surprise on his side, dont assume that he is a better player -> any average player can stealh-gank unprepared people as it doesnt require much skill to do so...

hmm, my post ended up being way bigger than I originally intended...

I'll go over this quickly, but you can find the recipe elsewhere in this thread. You take a vampire dragon knight, the passives that reduce ultimate costs from DK, the vampire stage cost reduction, and mist form. With stage 4 vampirism, and the DK ultimate cost reduction, you end up with an ultimate that runs around 4 points. Which is extremely spamable. This makes for an almost impossible to kill panic button that can be fired off almost instantly.

I can't remember what the trick is to get damage resistance from enemies in the immediate proximity is, but with the vampire damage resist buff this can be pushed to, or nearly to 100%. Slap aoe damage off of bat swarm or the battle standard, pick up reflective scales to actually reflect bow powers and silver bolts back at your attacker...

Yeah, there is some pretty frightening synergies here. It's not completely unstoppable, but even for well coordinated teams, these guys are almost impossible to kill. Mist form also gives the vampire the ability to flee from a coordinated team, meaning actually locking them in place isn't an option.

sinz_xb16_ESO wrote: »

Being vampires probably had nothing to do with them wiping you guys. Vampires get nothing except a few broken passives and a drain skill that barely works in PvP.

The only good ability right now is the ultimate, but only a group of noobs would let two vamps synching their ultimates wipe them.

The drain skill isn't capped by player, so it scales with the amount of players around. This is what makes them immortal vs a zerg, whereas they are easily killable 1v1 or in small scale fights. A DK Vampire is going to be able to wipe a group of 15+ with relative ease until the drain gets nerfed. It's just a balance issue they need to address, because there is no real counter to it. You essentially have to coordinate a one shot, but with enough armor and resistance, and with defensive abilities up and drain being spammed, there is no way to kill one that knows what they're doing unless you get them solo. The problem is even with Magelight they are already too close by the time they're seen to do anything about it.