Mudball harrassment

Samadhi · March 2021

XvarleyX wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Rootmender_Inky wrote: »

Seems like a petty thing to ask, and you dont see the other sides perspective.

Seems like you are so caught up in mudballing people that you don't see the perspective that "please stop mudballing me" is not particularly petty to ask, but continuing to mudball someone who has asked you to stop is incredibly petty to do
:shrug:

We have all been dragged down to pettiness levels by interacting with this post.

Actually a handful of users have really productively posted the official ZOS position that such behaviour is appropriately punishable and it has helped raise awareness that other users should report such people if they do not stop after being asked to stop

This thread is great for someone like me who has returned after a prolonged absence and thought that people who do stupid things like claiming to be "thot patrol" and throw mudballs repeatedly at characters they deem to be too attractive could only be ignored instead of eliminated

Thanks OP, sorry you had to go through it but hopefully in the future no one will

Samadhi · March 2021

WhereArtThouVampires wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

WhereArtThouVampires wrote: »

The lesson here is to just grow some thicker skin, people. These are virtual mudballs. In a video game. That can be escaped by easily running to literally any other part of tamriel. If you choose to sit there and continue to endure being pelted by mudballs, that's kinda your problem is it not?

The real lesson here apprears to be just to develop some really basic manners, people.
Stop trying to say that the key to stopping harassment is to run and hide from harassers, and recognize that harassers warrant punishment for their intentional efforts to cause problems for other players

you're talking about a guy who was throwing a mudball in a video game as if he's some sort of sexual harassment criminal.

You're talking about someone who logs into a video game to harass others as if he should be free to do so and that everyone else should accommodate bad behaviour

WhereArtThouVampires wrote: »

Quite frankly, it's a bit disgusting. Just grow some thicker skin. The dude didn't flame you, he didn't mock you. He just tossed some mudballs. If you don't like it, you can quite literally do many options to get away from it.

OP chose the best option, they asked the person to stop
the person did not stop despite being asked
but next you will say the person should have done more or something else that would have protected the abuser from suffering repercussions

and now you are complaining that not treating the abuser well is somehow disgusting, while their behaviour was perfectly acceptable

WhereArtThouVampires wrote: »

No, I don't recognize that a guy who was throwing mudballs deserves to be punished. That is literally plain dumb and silly. This game is 18+ for christ's sake lol. Club Penguin even has more lenient rules than that.

There's plenty of other games out there that do not have mudball throwers.

Then go play the other games without mudball throwers -- the official company position is that we can and should report abusive players and if you are afraid of being reported or something because of a rule you think is "dumb and silly" then it's better you go now than head out with some forum post ranting about how stupid you think it is you got banned for harassing someone

WhereArtThouVampires · March 2021

VaranisArano wrote: »

Here's an element that I think most of the mudball defenders are missing with with "You should've just ignored it" or "You should've just moved on" advice that amounts to "OP, you should've just solved your own problem."

The mudballer was breaking the TOS by continued harassment after being asked to stop. This is no longer just the OP's personal problem.

By reporting them, the OP upholds the standard of behavior we all agreed to in the TOS. If you don't like the thought of being accountable for your actions, maybe you shouldn't have agreed to the TOS.

By reporting them, the OP insures that ZOS has a record of this player's bad behavior, making it more likely that the player will face consequences if they have a habit or continue their choice to target players after they've been asked to stop. Again, if that player didn't want an entry on their rap sheet, all they had to do was stop when asked.

The mudballing player made the incorrect decision: to continue throwing mudballs after having been asked to stop, specifically targeting the OP for harassment. (You sure you want to defend that behavior?)

The OP made the correct decision: report, then leave the situation. In doing so, they upheld the TOS and made it easier for any past or future reports against the mudballer to prove that this is a habit of harassment.

Seriously, thanks OP.

Take a step back. You're sitting here literally saying this dude should face vile punishment for throwing a mudball in a virtual world when OP did nothing to put a stop to it aside from ask.

The player will not face consequences because that would be absolutely silly. Imagine being a mod and sitting down for work. You read the most recent ticket. It's a dude complaining about having mudballs tossed at him after asking to stop.

Do you think:
A. the mod is going to do some swift justice to right this total wrong by banning a potential customer to their game (aka the thing that lets you guys keep playing)
or
B. The mod is going to roll his eyes at once again someone having an issue with a player they MORE THAN LIKELY will never see again that was throwing mudballs and simply ignore the report.

Straight to the point: ZoS is not going to ban or punish someone who just threw mudballs (without typing any text insults/threats) because then that gets rid of business.

VaranisArano · March 2021

WhereArtThouVampires wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Here's an element that I think most of the mudball defenders are missing with with "You should've just ignored it" or "You should've just moved on" advice that amounts to "OP, you should've just solved your own problem."

The mudballer was breaking the TOS by continued harassment after being asked to stop. This is no longer just the OP's personal problem.

By reporting them, the OP upholds the standard of behavior we all agreed to in the TOS. If you don't like the thought of being accountable for your actions, maybe you shouldn't have agreed to the TOS.

By reporting them, the OP insures that ZOS has a record of this player's bad behavior, making it more likely that the player will face consequences if they have a habit or continue their choice to target players after they've been asked to stop. Again, if that player didn't want an entry on their rap sheet, all they had to do was stop when asked.

The mudballing player made the incorrect decision: to continue throwing mudballs after having been asked to stop, specifically targeting the OP for harassment. (You sure you want to defend that behavior?)

The OP made the correct decision: report, then leave the situation. In doing so, they upheld the TOS and made it easier for any past or future reports against the mudballer to prove that this is a habit of harassment.

Seriously, thanks OP.

Take a step back. You're sitting here literally saying this dude should face vile punishment for throwing a mudball in a virtual world when OP did nothing to put a stop to it aside from ask.

The player will not face consequences because that would be absolutely silly. Imagine being a mod and sitting down for work. You read the most recent ticket. It's a dude complaining about having mudballs tossed at him after asking to stop.

Do you think:
A. the mod is going to do some swift justice to right this total wrong by banning a potential customer to their game (aka the thing that lets you guys keep playing)
or
B. The mod is going to roll his eyes at once again someone having an issue with a player they MORE THAN LIKELY will never see again that was throwing mudballs and simply ignore the report.

Straight to the point: ZoS is not going to ban or punish someone who just threw mudballs (without typing any text insults/threats) because then that gets rid of business.

Hey, uh, did you check ought those links to ZOS's comments on the matter I posted above?

If not, you should. And if you're going to argue that ZOS itself doesn't think repeated mudballing after being asked to stop is worthy of disciplinary action - usually a warning for a first offense, as you'd know if you read it, let's not get too hyperbolic here - I don't see much point in arguing over it further with you.

Have a great day, and if someone ever asks you to stop mudballing them, do yourself a favor, and stop.

rrimöykk · March 2021

People just get hurt by everything these days. I wonder if a mmo is best suited game for you if you get hurt by some visual effects. Reporter for throwing eyeballs? Lol. C'mon.

Leave the place and go on with your life.

Vandellia · March 2021

If the shoe fits wear it. Love when people parse an entire statement so they can weaponize it. As i stated Mudballs are in the game and they are not going away. Love them or hate them they exist and area fact of the game . its a live with. I do not understand why a person going about there normal business needs to leave an area that they are in cause of someone else.. and then justify it as get hit by mudballs or leave... That is an insane mind set.

xTAKISx · March 2021

WhereArtThouVampires wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Here's an element that I think most of the mudball defenders are missing with with "You should've just ignored it" or "You should've just moved on" advice that amounts to "OP, you should've just solved your own problem."

The mudballer was breaking the TOS by continued harassment after being asked to stop. This is no longer just the OP's personal problem.

By reporting them, the OP upholds the standard of behavior we all agreed to in the TOS. If you don't like the thought of being accountable for your actions, maybe you shouldn't have agreed to the TOS.

By reporting them, the OP insures that ZOS has a record of this player's bad behavior, making it more likely that the player will face consequences if they have a habit or continue their choice to target players after they've been asked to stop. Again, if that player didn't want an entry on their rap sheet, all they had to do was stop when asked.

The mudballing player made the incorrect decision: to continue throwing mudballs after having been asked to stop, specifically targeting the OP for harassment. (You sure you want to defend that behavior?)

The OP made the correct decision: report, then leave the situation. In doing so, they upheld the TOS and made it easier for any past or future reports against the mudballer to prove that this is a habit of harassment.

Seriously, thanks OP.

Take a step back. You're sitting here literally saying this dude should face vile punishment for throwing a mudball in a virtual world when OP did nothing to put a stop to it aside from ask.

The player will not face consequences because that would be absolutely silly. Imagine being a mod and sitting down for work. You read the most recent ticket. It's a dude complaining about having mudballs tossed at him after asking to stop.

Do you think:
A. the mod is going to do some swift justice to right this total wrong by banning a potential customer to their game (aka the thing that lets you guys keep playing)
or
B. The mod is going to roll his eyes at once again someone having an issue with a player they MORE THAN LIKELY will never see again that was throwing mudballs and simply ignore the report.

Straight to the point: ZoS is not going to ban or punish someone who just threw mudballs (without typing any text insults/threats) because then that gets rid of business.

The only reason this is even a discussion is because some people try to bring real world social issues into a MMO.

I would even be cool with ZoS making the ignore feature extend to blocking Emotes from ignored player. That's how far it should go. Punishing someone in a game with real life think is absurd. There was no verbal or physical harassment, Gina said that that player 'should stop' not have to stop. Tea bagging can be taken a sexual (reaching here) but mudballs? Really?

npuk · March 2021

VaranisArano wrote: »

Here's an element that I think most of the mudball defenders are missing with with "You should've just ignored it" or "You should've just moved on" advice that amounts to "OP, you should've just solved your own problem."

The mudballer was breaking the TOS by continued harassment after being asked to stop. This is no longer just the OP's personal problem.

By reporting them, the OP upholds the standard of behavior we all agreed to in the TOS. If you don't like the thought of being accountable for your actions, maybe you shouldn't have agreed to the TOS.

By reporting them, the OP insures that ZOS has a record of this player's bad behavior, making it more likely that the player will face consequences if they have a habit or continue their choice to target players after they've been asked to stop. Again, if that player didn't want an entry on their rap sheet, all they had to do was stop when asked.

The mudballing player made the incorrect decision: to continue throwing mudballs after having been asked to stop, specifically targeting the OP for harassment. (You sure you want to defend that behavior?)

The OP made the correct decision: report, then leave the situation. In doing so, they upheld the TOS and made it easier for any past or future reports against the mudballer to prove that this is a habit of harassment.

Seriously, thanks OP.

There is a good chance that the mudballer had no idea that continuing to mudball someone could be considered as a TOS issue. The majority of players in this game don't read the TOS or even look on the forums & from a casual player perspective it why would using an in game action be a bannable offence.

WhereArtThouVampires · March 2021

xTAKISx wrote: »

WhereArtThouVampires wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Here's an element that I think most of the mudball defenders are missing with with "You should've just ignored it" or "You should've just moved on" advice that amounts to "OP, you should've just solved your own problem."

The mudballer was breaking the TOS by continued harassment after being asked to stop. This is no longer just the OP's personal problem.

By reporting them, the OP upholds the standard of behavior we all agreed to in the TOS. If you don't like the thought of being accountable for your actions, maybe you shouldn't have agreed to the TOS.

By reporting them, the OP insures that ZOS has a record of this player's bad behavior, making it more likely that the player will face consequences if they have a habit or continue their choice to target players after they've been asked to stop. Again, if that player didn't want an entry on their rap sheet, all they had to do was stop when asked.

The mudballing player made the incorrect decision: to continue throwing mudballs after having been asked to stop, specifically targeting the OP for harassment. (You sure you want to defend that behavior?)

The OP made the correct decision: report, then leave the situation. In doing so, they upheld the TOS and made it easier for any past or future reports against the mudballer to prove that this is a habit of harassment.

Seriously, thanks OP.

Take a step back. You're sitting here literally saying this dude should face vile punishment for throwing a mudball in a virtual world when OP did nothing to put a stop to it aside from ask.

The player will not face consequences because that would be absolutely silly. Imagine being a mod and sitting down for work. You read the most recent ticket. It's a dude complaining about having mudballs tossed at him after asking to stop.

Do you think:
A. the mod is going to do some swift justice to right this total wrong by banning a potential customer to their game (aka the thing that lets you guys keep playing)
or
B. The mod is going to roll his eyes at once again someone having an issue with a player they MORE THAN LIKELY will never see again that was throwing mudballs and simply ignore the report.

Straight to the point: ZoS is not going to ban or punish someone who just threw mudballs (without typing any text insults/threats) because then that gets rid of business.

The only reason this is even a discussion is because some people try to bring real world social issues into a MMO.

I would even be cool with ZoS making the ignore feature extend to blocking Emotes from ignored player. That's how far it should go. Punishing someone in a game with real life think is absurd. There was no verbal or physical harassment, Gina said that that player 'should stop' not have to stop. Tea bagging can be taken a sexual (reaching here) but mudballs? Really?

Exactly.

Boom, problem solved. Literally just make emotes not play from ignored players. I could get behind that.

WhereArtThouVampires · March 2021

VaranisArano wrote: »

WhereArtThouVampires wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Here's an element that I think most of the mudball defenders are missing with with "You should've just ignored it" or "You should've just moved on" advice that amounts to "OP, you should've just solved your own problem."

The mudballer was breaking the TOS by continued harassment after being asked to stop. This is no longer just the OP's personal problem.

By reporting them, the OP upholds the standard of behavior we all agreed to in the TOS. If you don't like the thought of being accountable for your actions, maybe you shouldn't have agreed to the TOS.

By reporting them, the OP insures that ZOS has a record of this player's bad behavior, making it more likely that the player will face consequences if they have a habit or continue their choice to target players after they've been asked to stop. Again, if that player didn't want an entry on their rap sheet, all they had to do was stop when asked.

The mudballing player made the incorrect decision: to continue throwing mudballs after having been asked to stop, specifically targeting the OP for harassment. (You sure you want to defend that behavior?)

The OP made the correct decision: report, then leave the situation. In doing so, they upheld the TOS and made it easier for any past or future reports against the mudballer to prove that this is a habit of harassment.

Seriously, thanks OP.

Take a step back. You're sitting here literally saying this dude should face vile punishment for throwing a mudball in a virtual world when OP did nothing to put a stop to it aside from ask.

The player will not face consequences because that would be absolutely silly. Imagine being a mod and sitting down for work. You read the most recent ticket. It's a dude complaining about having mudballs tossed at him after asking to stop.

Do you think:
A. the mod is going to do some swift justice to right this total wrong by banning a potential customer to their game (aka the thing that lets you guys keep playing)
or
B. The mod is going to roll his eyes at once again someone having an issue with a player they MORE THAN LIKELY will never see again that was throwing mudballs and simply ignore the report.

Straight to the point: ZoS is not going to ban or punish someone who just threw mudballs (without typing any text insults/threats) because then that gets rid of business.

Hey, uh, did you check ought those links to ZOS's comments on the matter I posted above?

If not, you should. And if you're going to argue that ZOS itself doesn't think repeated mudballing after being asked to stop is worthy of disciplinary action - usually a warning for a first offense, as you'd know if you read it, let's not get too hyperbolic here - I don't see much point in arguing over it further with you.

Have a great day, and if someone ever asks you to stop mudballing them, do yourself a favor, and stop.

bro i aint even got the mudball emote unlocked

And I will continue to say my statement regarding the mudball punishment until I see some verifiable proof people have gotten punished for it.

ZoS more than likely said what they did to keep the more sensitive part of the community at ease. It's a pretty simple marketing tactic since OP will A. Not remember the mudballer at all. And B. More than likely never see them again.

That said, I do hope you have a good rest of your day too sir.

Samadhi · March 2021

WhereArtThouVampires wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

WhereArtThouVampires wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

WhereArtThouVampires wrote: »

The lesson here is to just grow some thicker skin, people. These are virtual mudballs. In a video game. That can be escaped by easily running to literally any other part of tamriel. If you choose to sit there and continue to endure being pelted by mudballs, that's kinda your problem is it not?

The real lesson here apprears to be just to develop some really basic manners, people.
Stop trying to say that the key to stopping harassment is to run and hide from harassers, and recognize that harassers warrant punishment for their intentional efforts to cause problems for other players

you're talking about a guy who was throwing a mudball in a video game as if he's some sort of sexual harassment criminal.

You're talking about someone who logs into a video game to harass others as if he should be free to do so and that everyone else should accommodate bad behaviour

WhereArtThouVampires wrote: »

Quite frankly, it's a bit disgusting. Just grow some thicker skin. The dude didn't flame you, he didn't mock you. He just tossed some mudballs. If you don't like it, you can quite literally do many options to get away from it.

OP chose the best option, they asked the person to stop
the person did not stop despite being asked
but next you will say the person should have done more or something else that would have protected the abuser from suffering repercussions

and now you are complaining that not treating the abuser well is somehow disgusting, while their behaviour was perfectly acceptable

WhereArtThouVampires wrote: »

No, I don't recognize that a guy who was throwing mudballs deserves to be punished. That is literally plain dumb and silly. This game is 18+ for christ's sake lol. Club Penguin even has more lenient rules than that.

There's plenty of other games out there that do not have mudball throwers.

Then go play the other games without mudball throwers -- the official company position is that we can and should report abusive players and if you are afraid of being reported or something because of a rule you think is "dumb and silly" then it's better you go now than head out with some forum post ranting about how stupid you think it is you got banned for harassing someone

1. How do you know that guy logged into the video game to harass others? For all you know he was just throwing a mudball and decided to keep doing it because OP more than likely pestered him not to. We don't even know the other side of the story here, lol. Or even have any evidence posted.

Despite your interpretation, the actions described were harassment -- so the evidence of being someone who logged in to harass others is in the act of harassment

WhereArtThouVampires wrote: »

2. Op did not choose the best option. Im pretty sure the best option in this situation if it OFFENDS you that badly is to just leave. That is literally uncomfortable/offense 101. If something gets you heated and bothered the literal best course of action is to leave. For clarification: Im complaining that saying this dude, whose name OP probably already has forgotten because this is such a non-issue it's absolutely funny, should be punished for throwing a virtual mudball in a n 18+ video game. Yes. He isn't an abuser. He is literally just using an emote as ZoS intended. What exactly has he abused? OP's mudball feelings?

Best action is to ask someone to stop. If the person does not stop that is on them not on OP.

WhereArtThouVampires wrote: »

3. You can tell the OP that. Go play the games without mudball throwers. You hide behind the 'rule of ZoS' yet I've literally NEVER ever seen or heard of a player being punished or banned for throwing mudballs. Why? Because it isn't a form of harassment. It's an in-game emote. You don't want to witness it? Go do literally anything else in any other section of the game or don't even play the game at all.

This is such a non-issue it's mind boggling we're throwing terms like 'harrassment' and 'abuser' around for a GUY WHO THREW A MUDBALL in a video game. An 18+ video game that has literal *** and murder cults. Yet the issue we view as harrassment is. . . .throwing a mudball?

OP acted in accordance with the official ZOS statements on such matters, but you are here ranting about how OP was wrong to do so
of the two, you are the one who is acting contrary to community values so it makes more sense for you to leave

but, no, you are so sensitive that you will remain on the forums and throw tantrums about how the company policy does not agree with your personal worldview and that makes players who abide by company policy wrong

the issue we view as harassment is that the player was asked to stop and did not stop -- stop trying to strawman things and take the topic seriously like an adult if you are going to keep throwing around claims of 18+ content

xTAKISx · March 2021

Samadhi wrote: »

rrimöykk wrote: »

what's next, getting upset by even the suggestion that the ruler of a country should face repercussions for spreading hate and inciting violence? madness.

I think you are trolling here but incase you are not, I hope you get the help you deserve friend.

hafgood · March 2021

Oh goody the grow a thick skin gang have arrived alongside the its only a game gang.

You have no appreciation of how harassment online affects people's mental health do you? Hopefully you will never understand, because to truly understand you have to have experienced harassment and its effects.

Harassment online is as detrimental to people's mental health as harassment in the real world, in some cases more so, whilst those that throw mudballs for fun are doing so for fun and I'm certainly not asking for mudballs to be removed from the game, any more than I would ask for the ability to teabag to be removed. All I ask is that people learn to respect others, that they stop being keyboard warriors defending the rights of the person doing the harassment amd trying to make out that the person who was made to feel uncomfortable was in the fact the person in the wrong.

Its that kind of attitude that leads to mudballs and teanagging getting banned.

@WhereArtThouVampires killing someone once in PvP is not harassment, killing someone repeatedly in PvP is not harassment except where it is clear that one person is being specifically targeted is harassment. As with all things there are fine lines that people can choose to cross. In the case of the OP the person throwing the mudballs chose to cross the line, and no matter how people try to defend it it is harassment.

VaranisArano · March 2021

xTAKISx wrote: »

There was no verbal or physical harassment, Gina said that that player 'should stop' not have to stop.

I'm going to quote the part of Gina's post that doesn't agree with you; "As with all forms of harassment, if a player asks you to stop a behavior, you need to stop."

So there was no verbal or physical harassment, but since the player was asked to stop amd didn't, there absolutely was harassment, according to Gina. Perhaps you missed that part of her followup to the Discord post?

barney2525 · March 2021

preevious wrote: »

IntenseRenegader wrote: »

make it so you automaticly ask for a duel whenever u throw mudballs at people.

oooh .. this is evil
I like it.

Won't work

Settings you can auto-reject every duel request

Samadhi · March 2021

hafgood wrote: »

Oh goody the grow a thick skin gang have arrived alongside the its only a game gang.

The problem with the "thick skin" gang is that they are so thin skinned -- they view any legitimate punishment of harassment as threatening to their way of life

xTAKISx · March 2021

hafgood wrote: »

Oh goody the grow a thick skin gang have arrived alongside the its only a game gang.

You have no appreciation of how harassment online affects people's mental health do you? Hopefully you will never understand, because to truly understand you have to have experienced harassment and its effects.

Harassment online is as detrimental to people's mental health as harassment in the real world, in some cases more so, whilst those that throw mudballs for fun are doing so for fun and I'm certainly not asking for mudballs to be removed from the game, any more than I would ask for the ability to teabag to be removed. All I ask is that people learn to respect others, that they stop being keyboard warriors defending the rights of the person doing the harassment amd trying to make out that the person who was made to feel uncomfortable was in the fact the person in the wrong.

Its that kind of attitude that leads to mudballs and teanagging getting banned.

@WhereArtThouVampires killing someone once in PvP is not harassment, killing someone repeatedly in PvP is not harassment except where it is clear that one person is being specifically targeted is harassment. As with all things there are fine lines that people can choose to cross. In the case of the OP the person throwing the mudballs chose to cross the line, and no matter how people try to defend it it is harassment.

Always love it when people think they have higher morals or righteousness, along with a psychiatric degree, try to bully others in the forums that have a difference of opinion on a NON TOS issue.

Bucky_13 · March 2021

Lephrel wrote: »

IntenseRenegader wrote: »

Often i find myself getting bombarded with mudballs, and especially this one guy yesterday kept targetting me, i gently asked him to stop and that only seemed to fuel the fire, as he actually stopped throwing it at others, and only threw at me after that. I ported out of the instance and reported the guy.

You reported him??? I mean I kind of understand you being annoyed, but you actually want him to get banned for throwing mudballs? Seems totally excessive and I am no longer sure who the bad guy is in this situation.

Mudballs is the only thing I'd report someone for except for botting in Cyro. I hate the mudballs so much, would prefer to have ZoS remove them from the game completely however.

Samadhi · March 2021

WhereArtThouVampires wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

hafgood wrote: »

Oh goody the grow a thick skin gang have arrived alongside the its only a game gang.

The problem with the "thick skin" gang is that they are so thin skinned -- they view any legitimate punishment of harassment as threatening to their way of life

Just as the anti-mudball gang apparently view having a mudball thrown at them as an insult to their bloodline/family or something.

wow, way to go you responded to a legitimate point with another strawman
don't light a match, your whole world will burn down

again, the anti-harassment gang is pointing out that it takes more than just a mudball to get in trouble
but the thin-skinned folks are all up in a panic and trying to do damage control to make harassment look like something other than harssment

Samadhi · March 2021

Bucky_13 wrote: »

Lephrel wrote: »

IntenseRenegader wrote: »

Often i find myself getting bombarded with mudballs, and especially this one guy yesterday kept targetting me, i gently asked him to stop and that only seemed to fuel the fire, as he actually stopped throwing it at others, and only threw at me after that. I ported out of the instance and reported the guy.

You reported him??? I mean I kind of understand you being annoyed, but you actually want him to get banned for throwing mudballs? Seems totally excessive and I am no longer sure who the bad guy is in this situation.

Mudballs is the only thing I'd report someone for except for botting in Cyro. I hate the mudballs so much, would prefer to have ZoS remove them from the game completely however.

I have never reported being mudballed but in the future I will ask annoying people to stop and if they don't I will report them just because I have now seen how many people get absolutely LIVID over the idea that someone could be punished for bad behaviour

WhereArtThouVampires · March 2021

IntenseRenegader wrote: »

Often i find myself getting bombarded with mudballs, and especially this one guy yesterday kept targetting me, i gently asked him to stop and that only seemed to fuel the fire, as he actually stopped throwing it at others, and only threw at me after that. I ported out of the instance and reported the guy.

Please allow us to disable the visual effect of mudballs (in settings) so it can ruin this type of behaviour. or make it so you automaticly ask for a duel whenever u throw mudballs at people. Increase the cooldown to 1 mudball every 60 seconds, or do something else.

its not really important what you do, but please change it. Its not fun getting harrassed by mudballs, knowing you cant do anything to stop it.

isn't wanting to automatically duel the mudballer a form of harassment as well?

AyaDark · March 2021

All is OK with mud balls.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/564259/slag-town-diver-cosplay

Or what will you do not like next - sit and stand near player is Harasment, ingame communications is harrasment.

Next jump near you will be harrasment ?

Just stand near is not harrasment ?

Or it already is ?

May be just play the same server with you is harrasment ?

Just donate for privat one just for you

Bucky_13 · March 2021

Samadhi wrote: »

Bucky_13 wrote: »

Lephrel wrote: »

IntenseRenegader wrote: »

Often i find myself getting bombarded with mudballs, and especially this one guy yesterday kept targetting me, i gently asked him to stop and that only seemed to fuel the fire, as he actually stopped throwing it at others, and only threw at me after that. I ported out of the instance and reported the guy.

You reported him??? I mean I kind of understand you being annoyed, but you actually want him to get banned for throwing mudballs? Seems totally excessive and I am no longer sure who the bad guy is in this situation.

Mudballs is the only thing I'd report someone for except for botting in Cyro. I hate the mudballs so much, would prefer to have ZoS remove them from the game completely however.

I have never reported being mudballed but in the future I will ask annoying people to stop and if they don't I will report them just because I have now seen how many people get absolutely LIVID over the idea that someone could be punished for bad behaviour

First one, I ask them nicely to stop, second one it's either a report or start to insult or bait them. I could write my opinion about people who throw mudballs here, but I'd be removed by the mods so I won't.

xTAKISx · March 2021

VaranisArano wrote: »

xTAKISx wrote: »

There was no verbal or physical harassment, Gina said that that player 'should stop' not have to stop.

I'm going to quote the part of Gina's post that doesn't agree with you; "As with all forms of harassment, if a player asks you to stop a behavior, you need to stop."

So there was no verbal or physical harassment, but since the player was asked to stop amd didn't, there absolutely was harassment, according to Gina. Perhaps you missed that part of her followup to the Discord post?

Not going to argue with you over a mudball. It is not harassment in any way. Period. if ZoS decides to classify it as harassments they will be setting up a very unhealthy precedent. Everything in the game that players can interact with will come into subject. Watch what you wish for.

WhereArtThouVampires · March 2021

xTAKISx wrote: »

hafgood wrote: »

Oh goody the grow a thick skin gang have arrived alongside the its only a game gang.

You have no appreciation of how harassment online affects people's mental health do you? Hopefully you will never understand, because to truly understand you have to have experienced harassment and its effects.

Harassment online is as detrimental to people's mental health as harassment in the real world, in some cases more so, whilst those that throw mudballs for fun are doing so for fun and I'm certainly not asking for mudballs to be removed from the game, any more than I would ask for the ability to teabag to be removed. All I ask is that people learn to respect others, that they stop being keyboard warriors defending the rights of the person doing the harassment amd trying to make out that the person who was made to feel uncomfortable was in the fact the person in the wrong.

Its that kind of attitude that leads to mudballs and teanagging getting banned.

@WhereArtThouVampires killing someone once in PvP is not harassment, killing someone repeatedly in PvP is not harassment except where it is clear that one person is being specifically targeted is harassment. As with all things there are fine lines that people can choose to cross. In the case of the OP the person throwing the mudballs chose to cross the line, and no matter how people try to defend it it is harassment.

Always love it when people think they have higher morals or righteousness, along with a psychiatric degree, try to bully others in the forums that have a difference of opinion on a NON TOS issue.

I will say it's pretty wild. For all of these people saying mudballing is some vile crime in the ES world, I've yet to see a single shred of evidence that says ZoS actually punishes for mudballing.

Wanna know why?

Because 9/10 times the people who report these guys for throwing mudballs will never see them again or even remember their name.

It's such an easy market tactic by ZoS. Imagine a company banning a potential money-spender because they used an emote your devs designed into the game. When they can instead post some vague thing about what qualifies as harassment.

I 100% guarantee you that every single mudball report ticket probably goes to some sort of spam folder that automatically gets checked as resolved because just imagine being paid to deal with that ***.

"Ah heck, little timmy got caught throwing mud again. That's your second offense timmy!!!! time to whip out the temp ban."

VaranisArano · March 2021

Imagine going to the trouble of providing sources only for the people who asked for them to either not read them or move the goalposts about exactly what sources they require to be convinced.

As Upton Sinclair said, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."

Samadhi · March 2021

xTAKISx wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

xTAKISx wrote: »

There was no verbal or physical harassment, Gina said that that player 'should stop' not have to stop.

I'm going to quote the part of Gina's post that doesn't agree with you; "As with all forms of harassment, if a player asks you to stop a behavior, you need to stop."

So there was no verbal or physical harassment, but since the player was asked to stop amd didn't, there absolutely was harassment, according to Gina. Perhaps you missed that part of her followup to the Discord post?

Not going to argue with you over a mudball. It is not harassment in any way. Period. if ZoS decides to classify it as harassments they will be setting up a very unhealthy precedent. Everything in the game that players can interact with will come into subject. Watch what you wish for.

you forgot to tag @ZOS_GinaBruno to ask her to personally clarify if when she previously stated all forms of harassment she meant all forms of harassment, or if she means all forms of harassment except this one

hafgood · March 2021

@xTAKISx

The mudball was not harassment until they were asked to stop. At the point they were asked to stop and failed to do so it became harassment.

No one has an issue with the act of mudballing, what people have an issue with is harassment

virtus753 · March 2021

Bucky_13 wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Bucky_13 wrote: »

Lephrel wrote: »

IntenseRenegader wrote: »

Often i find myself getting bombarded with mudballs, and especially this one guy yesterday kept targetting me, i gently asked him to stop and that only seemed to fuel the fire, as he actually stopped throwing it at others, and only threw at me after that. I ported out of the instance and reported the guy.

You reported him??? I mean I kind of understand you being annoyed, but you actually want him to get banned for throwing mudballs? Seems totally excessive and I am no longer sure who the bad guy is in this situation.

Mudballs is the only thing I'd report someone for except for botting in Cyro. I hate the mudballs so much, would prefer to have ZoS remove them from the game completely however.

I have never reported being mudballed but in the future I will ask annoying people to stop and if they don't I will report them just because I have now seen how many people get absolutely LIVID over the idea that someone could be punished for bad behaviour

First one, I ask them nicely to stop, second one it's either a report or start to insult or bait them. I could write my opinion about people who throw mudballs here, but I'd be removed by the mods so I won't.

Well, the whole thread’s in for a lock between the bashing, baiting, flaming, misinformation, discussion of disciplinary action, and probably more. Just a matter of a mod being awake (sorry for the mess!).

Samadhi · March 2021

VaranisArano wrote: »

Imagine going to the trouble of providing sources only for the people who asked for them to either not read them or move the goalposts about exactly what sources they require to be convinced.

As Upton Sinclair said, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."

For some people it's not about being factually correct, it's about arguing until feeling like the audience views them as right