WrathOfInnos wrote: »Has anyone else had this experience? I’ve seen it multiple times.
Go into a dungeon, state what item you’re looking for, others state what whey need. There’s no overlap in loot desired, and you all say things like “it’s yours if I find it”. Then at the end someone gets the item you’ve been looking for, doesn’t link it it chat, drops group and won’t reply to whispers.
I’m guessing they just lie at the beginning to try to scam you into sharing what they need with no intention of helping you. Those are the players that fear group loot addons, the dishonest ones with something to hide. Anyone else could politely say at the beginning, “I’m also looking for that item, and I’ll need to keep it if I get one”.
WrathOfInnos wrote: »Has anyone else had this experience? I’ve seen it multiple times.
Go into a dungeon, state what item you’re looking for, others state what whey need. There’s no overlap in loot desired, and you all say things like “it’s yours if I find it”. Then at the end someone gets the item you’ve been looking for, doesn’t link it it chat, drops group and won’t reply to whispers.
I’m guessing they just lie at the beginning to try to scam you into sharing what they need with no intention of helping you. Those are the players that fear group loot addons, the dishonest ones with something to hide. Anyone else could politely say at the beginning, “I’m also looking for that item, and I’ll need to keep it if I get one”.
I think your first mistake is thinking you are entitled to other peoples drops.
And secondly, how exactly is someone going to "scam you" doing this? And no, not giving you their gear drop is not a scam.
WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Has anyone else had this experience? I’ve seen it multiple times.
Go into a dungeon, state what item you’re looking for, others state what whey need. There’s no overlap in loot desired, and you all say things like “it’s yours if I find it”. Then at the end someone gets the item you’ve been looking for, doesn’t link it it chat, drops group and won’t reply to whispers.
I’m guessing they just lie at the beginning to try to scam you into sharing what they need with no intention of helping you. Those are the players that fear group loot addons, the dishonest ones with something to hide. Anyone else could politely say at the beginning, “I’m also looking for that item, and I’ll need to keep it if I get one”.
I think your first mistake is thinking you are entitled to other peoples drops.
And secondly, how exactly is someone going to "scam you" doing this? And no, not giving you their gear drop is not a scam.
No no, you don’t understand. Nobody is entitled to anything, until a verbal agreement has been made. Apparently I’m the only one in that scenario with any intention of keeping my word. And I’m not saying this happens often, most players are good people.
I’m also sure it happens all the time where this type of deal is made, both items drop for the player that doesn’t need it, and the obvious answer is for them to trade and each get what they’re looking for. However the lying player will try to hide their drop, take the other’s, and keep both greedily. Any transparency is a good thing and makes trades more fair.
WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Has anyone else had this experience? I’ve seen it multiple times.
Go into a dungeon, state what item you’re looking for, others state what whey need. There’s no overlap in loot desired, and you all say things like “it’s yours if I find it”. Then at the end someone gets the item you’ve been looking for, doesn’t link it it chat, drops group and won’t reply to whispers.
I’m guessing they just lie at the beginning to try to scam you into sharing what they need with no intention of helping you. Those are the players that fear group loot addons, the dishonest ones with something to hide. Anyone else could politely say at the beginning, “I’m also looking for that item, and I’ll need to keep it if I get one”.
I think your first mistake is thinking you are entitled to other peoples drops.
And secondly, how exactly is someone going to "scam you" doing this? And no, not giving you their gear drop is not a scam.
No no, you don’t understand. Nobody is entitled to anything, until a verbal agreement has been made. Apparently I’m the only one in that scenario with any intention of keeping my word. And I’m not saying this happens often, most players are good people.
I’m also sure it happens all the time where this type of deal is made, both items drop for the player that doesn’t need it, and the obvious answer is for them to trade and each get what they’re looking for. However the lying player will try to hide their drop, take the other’s, and keep both greedily. Any transparency is a good thing and makes trades more fair.
Or, they don't realize they need the piece too for their set collection and rather than starting conflict with someone, they move on with their lives.
WrathOfInnos wrote: »Those are the players that fear group loot addons, the dishonest ones with something to hide.
Nord_Raseri wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Those are the players that fear group loot addons, the dishonest ones with something to hide.
False. I am on console and happy these aren't a thing. Yet I'm also the one linking all drops I don't directly need(Even if it's not in my sticker book) for anyone who does. " Association fallacy: an informal inductive fallacy of the hasty-generalization or red-herring type and which asserts, by irrelevant association and often appeal to emotion, that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another".
WrathOfInnos wrote: »Nord_Raseri wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Those are the players that fear group loot addons, the dishonest ones with something to hide.
False. I am on console and happy these aren't a thing. Yet I'm also the one linking all drops I don't directly need(Even if it's not in my sticker book) for anyone who does. " Association fallacy: an informal inductive fallacy of the hasty-generalization or red-herring type and which asserts, by irrelevant association and often appeal to emotion, that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another".
Let me rephrase: honest, decent players have no reason to fear loot addons. You sound like an awesome person, and in your case the only things these addons change is that you wouldn’t have to go manually click each item in your inventory to link then in chat. It’s a QoL feature. There’s zero obligation to share your drops with others, that’s simply how the loot system is designed in ESO. The only thing I have a problem with is players lying about their drops to try to scam you out of yours.
WrathOfInnos wrote: »Nord_Raseri wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Those are the players that fear group loot addons, the dishonest ones with something to hide.
False. I am on console and happy these aren't a thing. Yet I'm also the one linking all drops I don't directly need(Even if it's not in my sticker book) for anyone who does. " Association fallacy: an informal inductive fallacy of the hasty-generalization or red-herring type and which asserts, by irrelevant association and often appeal to emotion, that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another".
Let me rephrase: honest, decent players have no reason to fear loot addons. You sound like an awesome person, and in your case the only things these addons change is that you wouldn’t have to go manually click each item in your inventory to link then in chat. It’s a QoL feature. There’s zero obligation to share your drops with others, that’s simply how the loot system is designed in ESO. The only thing I have a problem with is players lying about their drops to try to scam you out of yours.
I have a problem with players thinking they are entitled to look through my drops.
The only way a "feature" like this would be acceptable is if you could opt out of it. Anything else is an invasion of privacy from other players.
WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Nord_Raseri wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Those are the players that fear group loot addons, the dishonest ones with something to hide.
False. I am on console and happy these aren't a thing. Yet I'm also the one linking all drops I don't directly need(Even if it's not in my sticker book) for anyone who does. " Association fallacy: an informal inductive fallacy of the hasty-generalization or red-herring type and which asserts, by irrelevant association and often appeal to emotion, that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another".
Let me rephrase: honest, decent players have no reason to fear loot addons. You sound like an awesome person, and in your case the only things these addons change is that you wouldn’t have to go manually click each item in your inventory to link then in chat. It’s a QoL feature. There’s zero obligation to share your drops with others, that’s simply how the loot system is designed in ESO. The only thing I have a problem with is players lying about their drops to try to scam you out of yours.
I have a problem with players thinking they are entitled to look through my drops.
The only way a "feature" like this would be acceptable is if you could opt out of it. Anything else is an invasion of privacy from other players.
But players literally are entitled to look through your drops, it’s in the API. They just aren’t entitled to take anything. They can also see your outfits, character name, account name, titles, guild tabards. They can see your build, gear, mundus stone, skills slotted, morph choices, everything you cast, DPS, HPS, your deaths, rezzes, resource pools, food eaten, traits, enchants. They can see everywhere you move, everything you say in text or voice chat.
It’s also safe to assume that all this info is shared publicly, you never know when somebody is streaming or recording. I’ve simply accepted all of this, there is no privacy in an online game. And for the most part, all this data is used for good, not evil.
WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Nord_Raseri wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Those are the players that fear group loot addons, the dishonest ones with something to hide.
False. I am on console and happy these aren't a thing. Yet I'm also the one linking all drops I don't directly need(Even if it's not in my sticker book) for anyone who does. " Association fallacy: an informal inductive fallacy of the hasty-generalization or red-herring type and which asserts, by irrelevant association and often appeal to emotion, that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another".
Let me rephrase: honest, decent players have no reason to fear loot addons. You sound like an awesome person, and in your case the only things these addons change is that you wouldn’t have to go manually click each item in your inventory to link then in chat. It’s a QoL feature. There’s zero obligation to share your drops with others, that’s simply how the loot system is designed in ESO. The only thing I have a problem with is players lying about their drops to try to scam you out of yours.
I have a problem with players thinking they are entitled to look through my drops.
The only way a "feature" like this would be acceptable is if you could opt out of it. Anything else is an invasion of privacy from other players.
But players literally are entitled to look through your drops, it’s in the API. They just aren’t entitled to take anything. They can also see your outfits, character name, account name, titles, guild tabards. They can see your build, gear, mundus stone, skills slotted, morph choices, everything you cast, DPS, HPS, your deaths, rezzes, resource pools, food eaten, traits, enchants. They can see everywhere you move, everything you say in text or voice chat.
It’s also safe to assume that all this info is shared publicly, you never know when somebody is streaming or recording. I’ve simply accepted all of this, there is no privacy in an online game. And for the most part, all this data is used for good, not evil.
There is zero way a player on console can see any of those things, with the exception of communications. None.
So, this "feature" isn't actually a game feature. It is just people manipulating the API. Until it is actually in the base game, it is not a feature. There were many things in the API that have been shut down due to unintended use. Being in the API doesn't suddenly make something a part of the game or even necessarily condoned by ZOS.
So no, players aren't entitled to look through my drops, because it is literally impossible to do in the base game and, in effect, on console.
WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Nord_Raseri wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Those are the players that fear group loot addons, the dishonest ones with something to hide.
False. I am on console and happy these aren't a thing. Yet I'm also the one linking all drops I don't directly need(Even if it's not in my sticker book) for anyone who does. " Association fallacy: an informal inductive fallacy of the hasty-generalization or red-herring type and which asserts, by irrelevant association and often appeal to emotion, that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another".
Let me rephrase: honest, decent players have no reason to fear loot addons. You sound like an awesome person, and in your case the only things these addons change is that you wouldn’t have to go manually click each item in your inventory to link then in chat. It’s a QoL feature. There’s zero obligation to share your drops with others, that’s simply how the loot system is designed in ESO. The only thing I have a problem with is players lying about their drops to try to scam you out of yours.
I have a problem with players thinking they are entitled to look through my drops.
The only way a "feature" like this would be acceptable is if you could opt out of it. Anything else is an invasion of privacy from other players.
But players literally are entitled to look through your drops, it’s in the API. They just aren’t entitled to take anything. They can also see your outfits, character name, account name, titles, guild tabards. They can see your build, gear, mundus stone, skills slotted, morph choices, everything you cast, DPS, HPS, your deaths, rezzes, resource pools, food eaten, traits, enchants. They can see everywhere you move, everything you say in text or voice chat.
It’s also safe to assume that all this info is shared publicly, you never know when somebody is streaming or recording. I’ve simply accepted all of this, there is no privacy in an online game. And for the most part, all this data is used for good, not evil.
There is zero way a player on console can see any of those things, with the exception of communications. None.
So, this "feature" isn't actually a game feature. It is just people manipulating the API. Until it is actually in the base game, it is not a feature. There were many things in the API that have been shut down due to unintended use. Being in the API doesn't suddenly make something a part of the game or even necessarily condoned by ZOS.
So no, players aren't entitled to look through my drops, because it is literally impossible to do in the base game and, in effect, on console.
VoidCommander wrote: »After spending over 4 hours today running normal Castle Thorn, a member of my party got the much desired "Unleashed Terror Greatsword," a weapon I greatly desired. Seeing they got the drop with the loot log addon, I asked them if they needed it and if not, if I could have it. They replied that they would have given it to me if I wasn't a "Loot Spy." They proceeded to immediately add me to their ignore list and refused further communication.
WrathOfInnos wrote: »Nord_Raseri wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Those are the players that fear group loot addons, the dishonest ones with something to hide.
False. I am on console and happy these aren't a thing. Yet I'm also the one linking all drops I don't directly need(Even if it's not in my sticker book) for anyone who does. " Association fallacy: an informal inductive fallacy of the hasty-generalization or red-herring type and which asserts, by irrelevant association and often appeal to emotion, that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another".
Let me rephrase: honest, decent players have no reason to fear loot addons. You sound like an awesome person, and in your case the only things these addons change is that you wouldn’t have to go manually click each item in your inventory to link then in chat. It’s a QoL feature. There’s zero obligation to share your drops with others, that’s simply how the loot system is designed in ESO. The only thing I have a problem with is players lying about their drops to try to scam you out of yours.
I tend to look at it more like you just killed a boss or opened a chest with your groupmates standing next to you. It would be highly unlikely for you to reach down, grab that sword/helm/whatever and sneak it in your backpack without the folks standing right next to you not noticing. Its not like you were pickpocketing or anything, you literally just grabbed a huge sword or whatever off the ground. Honestly, I feel it is more emersion breaking to even consider you stuffed a 4' long greatsword in your backpack without anyone noticing.
Integral1900 wrote: »
Except you fail to grasp the reason. It's not the addon as such, it's the fact that a significant number of people who use that addon will get absolutely toxic and vile if told no. Trust me, if 2 out of 3 players who plays High Elf would spew hatred at me in chat for telling them no, they'd get blocked on sight too.
Sanguinor2 wrote: »It is incredibly silly that people dont have any problems with giving data to companies but have an issue with someone seeing their virtual item drops. 99% that those people that are so against it are on like 4 or 5 social media platforms happily sharing stuff.
I hate the idea of people seeing my gear. Most ppl are polite about it, and I have pretty much all the gear I need as I don’t have a ton of characters. It still bothers me tho when someone will ask me in whisper for my given gear. It’s my gear tho and my bag of loot, if you want it, be polite and ask in group chat. It’s not your given right to have my loot, or even see my loot, so I’d even advocate for them to block the use of this addon.
I hate the idea of people seeing my gear. Most ppl are polite about it, and I have pretty much all the gear I need as I don’t have a ton of characters. It still bothers me tho when someone will ask me in whisper for my given gear. It’s my gear tho and my bag of loot, if you want it, be polite and ask in group chat. It’s not your given right to have my loot, or even see my loot, so I’d even advocate for them to block the use of this addon.
This must be your first game then. In pretty much every MMO I have played you have the ability to "Inspect" players, see their build, if their gear is upgraded or white, what skills/spells they have loaded and if they have upgraded those skills. Also, loot was always group wide, when a boss dropped loot, everyone got to see everything that dropped.
That is the world many of us came from, thus we are completely baffled by this "Don't peek at my loot" attitude, nevermind actually blocking or being rude to people because they did.
VoidCommander wrote: »I feel like I should include that if you aren't >800 cp and therefore have never farmed for meta gear sets for a build, your opinion on where people cut their farming time into a fraction of what it is without the addon really doesn't matter. Its hard to take anyone who hasn't had to farm out difficult to acquire gear seriously when they complain about the loot log addon.
There is a reason why you will NEVER see a trial group question why someone can "loot spy." Its because everyone who isn't an RPer or console player uses the addon. Hell I started using addons BECAUSE I needed to see what dropped so I can see if someone got the piece I was looking for. People seeing you get a "zen's inferno staff" will not harm you in any way, but you maliciously denying someone gear solely because they use an AUTHORIZED addon does do harm. It wastes the valuable time and energy that that player has put into farming for that item.
MaxWacksem wrote: »It a total invasion of someone's privacy. What you loot is your business and NO ONE's else. That's like looking is someone's bag/backpack. If someone wishes to tell you what they got all well and fine.
Wasn't sure if this was a thing or not, but it happened to me, felt violated unfriended and will not group with him.
Why do you feel you have a right to see what others get?