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PSA: "Loot Spying" is NOT a Malicious Feature

VoidCommander
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After spending over 4 hours today running normal Castle Thorn, a member of my party got the much desired "Unleashed Terror Greatsword," a weapon I greatly desired. Seeing they got the drop with the loot log addon, I asked them if they needed it and if not, if I could have it. They replied that they would have given it to me if I wasn't a "Loot Spy." They proceeded to immediately add me to their ignore list and refused further communication.

Unless you have spent dozens of hours farming for gear yourself, you really have no right to criticize other people for trying to make a painful grind much less time consuming. If you have ever denied someone else loot because they used an addon to track the dozens of item drops in a dungeon to make sure that YOU don't have to scan for the stuff they asked for at the beginning, then you are truly the lowest kind of player.
  • VoidCommander
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    For those seeking clarification, I only asked them ONCE for the item. They immediately went straight to "if you are spying, I won't give it to you out of principle." They blocked me because I tried explaining to them that loot addons are very common and help people farm gear without asking everyone to check their entire loot for the 8 different things you might need. The reason I posted this is because this is the first time I've ever seen someone react this way to a loot request in my 6 years of playing and it seems like there are plenty of other people who don't understand the value of the loot addon. For those who are against using this addon, I implore you to farm out a zen's inferno staff, see how long it takes for you to get it by yourself. Then try it again with the loot addon where there is no question of "was the person just lazy and didn't want to check their inventory to see if they got something I needed." Being able to whisper someone for a specific item is SO MUCH more efficient for all parties. This thread isn't about being entitled to other people's drops. If the person wanted to keep that greatsword for their own use, that's inconsiderate because I always start with "I'm looking for x gear" so that way if there are other farmers, I can leave group to maximize all our chances. Keeping it for yourself just means that you didn't speak up at the beginning about needing the same gear.
  • hexnotic
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    recently i ran a bunch of castle thorn... the unleashed 2 h dropped once after 2 straight days of farming, and it wasn't even for myself lol. you can always try asking in group chat first to see if the person will give up the drop? i usually whisper people politely, and I don't think anyone's gotten salty yet but it does happen.
    Edited by hexnotic on January 23, 2021 3:40AM
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  • Sephyr
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    For those seeking clarification, I only asked them ONCE for the item. They immediately went straight to "if you are spying, I won't give it to you out of principle." They blocked me because I tried explaining to them that loot addons are very common and help people farm gear without asking everyone to check their entire loot for the 8 different things you might need. The reason I posted this is because this is the first time I've ever seen someone react this way to a loot request in my 6 years of playing and it seems like there are plenty of other people who don't understand the value of the loot addon. For those who are against using this addon, I implore you to farm out a zen's inferno staff, see how long it takes for you to get it by yourself. Then try it again with the loot addon where there is no question of "was the person just lazy and didn't want to check their inventory to see if they got something I needed." Being able to whisper someone for a specific item is SO MUCH more efficient for all parties. This thread isn't about being entitled to other people's drops. If the person wanted to keep that greatsword for their own use, that's inconsiderate because I always start with "I'm looking for x gear" so that way if there are other farmers, I can leave group to maximize all our chances. Keeping it for yourself just means that you didn't speak up at the beginning about needing the same gear.

    The bolded is exactly why I don't mind if someone is running this addon because I often don't have my chats open when farming content. It's a distraction. Because of that, I'm not going to see it.

    If people think that it's so rude to be like "Hey, are you going to use that?", that's just not cool. People should respect the answer of no if they aren't willing to give it out, but to be that kind of person to block out of principle for just asking is pretty irrational.
    Edited by Sephyr on January 23, 2021 4:05AM
  • WrathOfInnos
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    I appreciate when people run these addons, saves me the trouble of linking gear I don’t need. 99% of the time I’ll give it to whoever asks, but that other 1% it’s easy to just say “sorry, I need that piece”. I’ve never understood why people get so offended by a convenience tool. It’s your loot, no obligation to share, but denying it out of spite is far more toxic than a polite request for an item.

    If you’re on the fence about whether you want to keep something for yourself, consider setting a price for it. Usually you’ll have the person over a barrel and walk away with a lot of gold. I know when I’m 50 runs into a gear farm I would gladly overpay just to be done.
  • VoidCommander
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    Hanokihs wrote: »
    IDK, I personally hate the thought of someone knowing what I have and asking me for it. It may seem irrational, but it feels the same as if they started digging through my backpack to see if I have a pen, then going "Oh you don't mind if I take this, do you?" Actually I do mind, ya rude skeever; get out of my stuff. You probably would've had better luck about it if you'd just asked generally. Then it wouldn't feel like you're just rudely pressuring someone to give you something you know they have.

    Alternatively, maybe look for people who are just openly willing to help you grind; join and/or ask some guild members. That way you don't have to rely on randos who may not wanna share, and you always have four shots at whatever you need.

    Ok. @hanokihs, I am asking YOU for help farming out a 2 handed sword. The dungeon is long, difficult, and annoying as all hell. With nothing to gain for yourself, please help me farm for this weapon for hours and hours out of your own good heart, because people being willing to trade the gear they do not intend to use is too great a burden.

    Do you see where the whole "find some people to farm with you" argument kind of falls flat? I sure as hell wouldn't want to spend my time farming for someone else's gear, not when I can get a full team of randos who are just as capable of getting drops.
  • Minyassa
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    Loot "spying"? Seriously? Why is it a secret? What do you lose from someone else knowing what random gumball color just dropped out of the gumball machine you all just used together?
    Edited by Minyassa on January 23, 2021 9:09AM
  • Sanguinor2
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    Nairinhe wrote: »

    I find looking into someone's loot equally creepy and rude. And looks like that's not just me.

    Also I wouldn't count not bothering to close part of an API as "endorsing". More like it just doesn't cause enough trouble for them to spend resources on it.

    You are free to consider it that way. And Im free to consider it perplexing that loot is what you take issue with but apparently dont seem to mind Zos tracking what you are doing, when, with whom and how often, what you look at in the store, what you buy in the store, in which patterns you log in to play, when you take a short break ingame among many many other things Zos tracks as soon as you log in. Zos also knows what loot you are getting btw. Oh and they also can use all that and more for their "commercial interests". I wonder what that might entail.... Another fun fact: This isnt even limited to the Eso team, whenever any team from Zos wants any of this information about your Eso habits they can get it no problem and no questions asked. Aka your data can be used by marketing teams which arent even involved with Eso in a single way besides being paid by Zos and is likely being used as we speak for the new title Zos is currently developing.

    The thing with API is you either allow it or you dont. But not anything in between. Since Zos has, at one point, allowed it and apparently not changed their stance on that matter we can assume it is officially allowed by Zos until they say otherwise.
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  • wheresbes
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    We are all different, with different viewpoints and different reactions, there's no way around it.

    I can't comment on the OP specific issue as I play on console, but even when I was on PC, I rarely used addons or mods because I liked the extra challenge (I'm looking at you Oblivion levelling system), unless something was really deal-breaking.
    (...) For those who are against using this addon, I implore you to farm out a zen's inferno staff, see how long it takes for you to get it by yourself. (...)

    See, I've run VoM an awful amount of times to get the fire and healing staves to the point that I don't know if they actually exist. The positive thing is that now I know that dungeon as the back of my hand so when people actually wait for the tank to lead the way, I don't embarrass myself (I'm planning on getting to know EVERY dungeon that well). But most of all, I decided to embrace the disappointing DR and buy/craft when possible or simply using other set combinations.

    BTW, I stopped bothering to link in chat what I can give away as I rarely get a response. If someone asks for something and I already have it in the sticker book, I'll gladly give it for free. I also seem to never find the time to type what I'm looking for as either people start rushing ahead or they leave the group ASAP (I PUG a lot), so really, I just embrace the DR and amen.
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