Zos pls make achievements account based not character based!

IneedaDollar · February 2021

Im Team account wide but I can see points for both sides.
The perfect option probably would be to make some achievements character based and some account wide.
I don't think it's a good idea to make every achievement account wide since some of them keep track of what you completed on your character and what not.
For example quest that reward skill points or skyshards can be tracked in the achievement section.
Same goes for learned motifs or PvP rank.
Daylie quest achievements or the skamp achievement for example are pain to get and there's no reason why it should be character bound.
Also when it comes to raid or dungeon achievements it doesn't make sense to play a character that isn't optimal for your group just to get an achievement.

kargen27 · February 2021

Players can't get an achievement without a character. Getting an achievement is in that sense a team effort. An achievement you get on one character shouldn't be transferred to another character. It would be nice if there was a tab that showed all your achievements along with the character that helped you obtain them. With that tab you could see what achievements your account is short on.
Some players want achievements account wide because they want to speed up the process of earning achievements. Fishing as an example. They want a trophy fish one character caught to count as caught on every character. No way this should happen.
Achievements being character bound are good for the long term health of the game. Plenty of players want more than one character to have an achievement and that entices them to repeat content. Repeated content is needed for an MMO to survive.
Titles, those should absolutely be character only. For some titles matter and they like presenting a title that is a bit rare. Allowing any character to use a title only one has earned takes away from the uniqueness of some titles. You see a level 15 character wearing a title that took your fully geared and leveled character several months to obtain and it is a little disheartening.

Nairinhe · February 2021

I remembered something.

Not achievements, but lorebooks collection should be account wide, because I'm on the verge of changing alliances on my main all because of those accursed scroll temple books that always, always spawn inside their pedestals and you have to dance around them for half an hour in hope of getting single interactable pixel, which is, obviously, not an option when it's an enemy territory.

spartaxoxo · February 2021

kargen27 wrote: »

You see a level 15 character wearing a title that took your fully geared and leveled character several months to obtain and it is a little disheartening.

If I saw that I would assume that they have fully geared and leveled character just like I do. I wouldn't feel disheartened at all. But then I moreso view achievements as part of the skillset of a human being and that they understand the mechanics of the content they did, rather than just looking at their character. So I have genuinely never felt disheartened at such a thing and cannot even imagine ever feeling that way over it.

kargen27 · February 2021

spartaxoxo wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

You see a level 15 character wearing a title that took your fully geared and leveled character several months to obtain and it is a little disheartening.

If I saw that I would assume that they have fully geared and leveled character just like I do. I wouldn't feel disheartened at all. But then I moreso view achievements as part of the skillset of a human being and that they understand the mechanics of the content they did, rather than just looking at their character. So I have genuinely never felt disheartened at such a thing and cannot even imagine ever feeling that way over it.

Me either actually, but those players are out there. Just like the players that think they got an exclusive mount then the mount is made available later.

And again you can not get those achievements without the character. It was a team effort. The character needed you and you needed your character. Titles should be earned by the characters showing them off.

peacenote · February 2021

There is a lovely add-on for PC that I personally think should be base game for all the platforms:

https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1867-KyomasGlobalAchievements.html

I think we should be able to view achievements as either account wide OR by character. The flexibility of per character gives people something to work towards on individual toons while still allowing to see global achievements for ones you don't care to do more than once.

I personally would be extremely disappointed if I couldn't, for my own knowledge, track which character had done what. But I also have no objection to having someone unlock an account-wide award by doing it across different characters. If I do HM on my healer for a dungeon but complete no death as a tank on that same dungeon because we couldn't find one, why shouldn't I get the skin? The fact that this doesn't occur is actually punishing to people who are skilled enough to play multiple roles and flexible enough to do whatever the group needs (things that should both be encouraged).

And I think all achievement related awards, including titles, should be account-wide. Yea, I know that lowbie toon didn't earn that title... but if someone’s kid or SO or whoever is checking out the game on someone’s account, they didn't either, and neither did all the people who bought accounts. Or maybe someone took a 3 year break and is a bit rusty. We shouldn't be using titles to judge skill. We should use skill to judge skill.

Lastly, I would love to see ZOS go all-in on this by rewarding people who do unlock things on multiple characters. Unlock the skin a second time? Hey, maybe you get 5 transmute crystals in the mail or a reward box or a gem. But nothing unique like another skin or a pet.

My two cents.

CSose · February 2021

It boils down to whether or not it's the player earning the achievements, or the toon earning the achievements. (a toon the player created and equipped) I look at it as the toon is a tool for the player to use, and it's the player earning the achievement, not the toon. The toon is just the tool the player used to earn the achievement.

It makes a lot more sense to have achievements be account wide. Toons aren't real, players are.

spartaxoxo · February 2021

kargen27 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

You see a level 15 character wearing a title that took your fully geared and leveled character several months to obtain and it is a little disheartening.

If I saw that I would assume that they have fully geared and leveled character just like I do. I wouldn't feel disheartened at all. But then I moreso view achievements as part of the skillset of a human being and that they understand the mechanics of the content they did, rather than just looking at their character. So I have genuinely never felt disheartened at such a thing and cannot even imagine ever feeling that way over it.

Me either actually, but those players are out there. Just like the players that think they got an exclusive mount then the mount is made available later.

And again you can not get those achievements without the character. It was a team effort. The character needed you and you needed your character. Titles should be earned by the characters showing them off.

I don't view it as a team effort because the toon is just a tool. It had no part in earning the achievement. And once they earned their title, they should be able to do whatever they want with it imo. I find players paying for titles distasteful, but support account wide achievements.

iksde · February 2021

CSose wrote: »

It boils down to whether or not it's the player earning the achievements, or the toon earning the achievements. (a toon the player created and equipped) I look at it as the toon is a tool for the player to use, and it's the player earning the achievement, not the toon. The toon is just the tool the player used to earn the achievement.

It makes a lot more sense to have achievements be account wide. Toons aren't real, players are.

well said

and if player was able to get an acheivement on 1 character with its class then it is sure he will be able to earn this on every other class, magica or stamina which would he prefer and still he can later respecc these character for any other roles than he was earning these achievs

and then as player is able to earn said achiev on every class than why he dont do this? we have tons of acheivs and many slots for characters and it is jsut impossible to earn again and again every achievs fro which we care on ever of our characters we would play and yet people dont understand this as players are able to do this but there is no time to reat this that much and so no sense (try te repeat 40k+ acheiv points even just at 2nd character and so gl with more characters for more classes to play)

renne · February 2021

Nairinhe wrote: »

Yes: farming and questing achievements. Who cares which character got that winglet?
No: combat-related achievements. You may be a brilliant tank, but a crap healer.

Those damn monster parts achievements are the worst, so I'd absolutely agree for those.

ThreeXB · February 2021

There are achievements for motif collecting and grand master crafter . So if one toon gets a motif unlocked people want all toons to get it ? I vote no for account wide achievements

iksde · February 2021

ThreeXB wrote: »

There are achievements for motif collecting and grand master crafter . So if one toon gets a motif unlocked people want all toons to get it ? I vote no for account wide achievements

and you are are looking for anything smallest thing to get into, you are doing pitchfork from needle

we got something in game like...if your character doesnt know motif then we can have under its desribe green text about this character doeasnt know it and can use to learn this, we can have achievement for this as for overall gaining it for account which we see from outfit collectibles even on characters which dont know a single motif
same is going for recipes, trat researched etc, we could have achiev for this while still having it not learned for this character

I see no problem here as also we could get withing these achievs brackets next to name of an motif/style or achiev as "(not gained)" on character which we didnt get; as I understand if I good remember we have higher chance from daily craft writs to get master writ on character which have learned more motifs yes? so to not exploit this on alts with not learned motifs

Vanos444 · February 2021

Others: No! Op and never it should be implemented because it hurts my feelings when a level 2 player runs around with a former emperor title above his head.

Me: auhhh?!Ok!

Tandor · February 2021

CSose wrote: »

It boils down to whether or not it's the player earning the achievements, or the toon earning the achievements. (a toon the player created and equipped) I look at it as the toon is a tool for the player to use, and it's the player earning the achievement, not the toon. The toon is just the tool the player used to earn the achievement.

It makes a lot more sense to have achievements be account wide. Toons aren't real, players are.

The problem with that argument is that few if any would claim that when a character completes a quest the xp and rewards were earned by the player and should go to all the account's characters, and yet it's exactly the same situation, the player completed the quest and not the character - or so some would argue. Besides which, the achievements aren't real either, so the idea that players are real and characters aren't really doesn't make any sense.

Some players like things to be account-wide, others like things to be character-specific. Some are put off rolling alts because of the need to repeat content, others only roll alts in order to repeat the content. Some players want to do everything on one character, other players want to do some things on one character and other things on a different character. I want to do Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood content on my nightblade assassin, and I don't want the achievements for that automatically given to my paladin-style templar who won't go near those guilds (and I'm not even a role-player in any significant way).

Fortunately, ZOS recognise the different approaches and have made a decent balance between them with some things like CPs, collectibles and dye unlocks account-wide and other things like achievements and titles character-specific. It's a fair compromise in my view, and I hope they don't change it- although I'm wholly in favour of an account summary screen showing which characters have earned which achievements.

iksde · February 2021

Tandor wrote: »

CSose wrote: »

It boils down to whether or not it's the player earning the achievements, or the toon earning the achievements. (a toon the player created and equipped) I look at it as the toon is a tool for the player to use, and it's the player earning the achievement, not the toon. The toon is just the tool the player used to earn the achievement.

It makes a lot more sense to have achievements be account wide. Toons aren't real, players are.

The problem with that argument is that few if any would claim that when a character completes a quest the xp and rewards were earned by the player and should go to all the account's characters, and yet it's exactly the same situation, the player completed the quest and not the character - or so some would argue. Besides which, the achievements aren't real either, so the idea that players are real and characters aren't really doesn't make any sense.

and here comes some compromises
as it is very often for toggle for people who would want or not I have idea for this

like option to "merge" characters, atleast few

like for people like me who want so much to ahve completed everything in game which is time consuming as how much we have of this in game and not everything is easy so it is taking even more time and our willings to play also other classes thna our mains for diversity or because we ahve classes which was later released when we had already completed so much on our old main

opton with even limit to merge characters together depending on how much classes we have right no - so now it would be max 5 characters merge into our main which will let us keep earned achievs for these alts and let earn achievs to already big pool of alreadye earned giving us more sense and so enjoy of playing alts

while still keeping everything else like it is now for people who dont need it, who enjoy playing with current system

Rungar · February 2021

ThreeXB wrote: »

There are achievements for motif collecting and grand master crafter . So if one toon gets a motif unlocked people want all toons to get it ? I vote no for account wide achievements

this makes no sense since in the dressing stand any of my characters can use all the motifs. They are already account wide. This whole argument doesnt make any sense to me. Most of the stuff in the game is account based.

but by all means dont apply the cp points you gained on your alt...you alt didnt earn them....foolish.

karekiz · February 2021

I agree. Skins and mounts should NOT be account bound. These are REWARDS based on COMPLETING content. Should a LEVEL ONE be running around with Worm Wizard? Or even just a VETERAN sunspire skin they can't literally even enter the dungeon for?

Ohhh wait what are we talking about again?

CSose · February 2021

Tandor wrote: »

CSose wrote: »

It boils down to whether or not it's the player earning the achievements, or the toon earning the achievements. (a toon the player created and equipped) I look at it as the toon is a tool for the player to use, and it's the player earning the achievement, not the toon. The toon is just the tool the player used to earn the achievement.

It makes a lot more sense to have achievements be account wide. Toons aren't real, players are.

The problem with that argument is that few if any would claim that when a character completes a quest the xp and rewards were earned by the player and should go to all the account's characters, and yet it's exactly the same situation, the player completed the quest and not the character - or so some would argue. Besides which, the achievements aren't real either, so the idea that players are real and characters aren't really doesn't make any sense.

Some players like things to be account-wide, others like things to be character-specific. Some are put off rolling alts because of the need to repeat content, others only roll alts in order to repeat the content. Some players want to do everything on one character, other players want to do some things on one character and other things on a different character. I want to do Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood content on my nightblade assassin, and I don't want the achievements for that automatically given to my paladin-style templar who won't go near those guilds (and I'm not even a role-player in any significant way).

Fortunately, ZOS recognise the different approaches and have made a decent balance between them with some things like CPs, collectibles and dye unlocks account-wide and other things like achievements and titles character-specific. It's a fair compromise in my view, and I hope they don't change it- although I'm wholly in favour of an account summary screen showing which characters have earned which achievements.

When the same toon earns the same achievement a second time do they get bonuses for getting it the second time? There are no bonuses that go to any characters specifically for getting an achievement, it's just XP. Mementos are already account wide.

I'm not sure what your point is when achievements can be so easily limited to one instance of a given achievement per account. That limitation is already in place for every toon, it could just be account wide instead.

xericdx · February 2021

I just want the freedom to play different solo content on different chars, while being able to buy the furniture associated with the achievements on every character... Otherwise I either go crazy remembering who can buy what, or I am forced to finish everything on the same char for convenience.

...Whether this can be done by account-wide achiev, just specific account-wide achievement furniture buying option..same for me

jaws343 · February 2021

I honestly just want lore book collecting to be account wide. There are books that are literally impossible to get if you miss them during a quest and I'd love to be able to 100% my lore library on my main.

starkerealm · February 2021

jaws343 wrote: »

I honestly just want lore book collecting to be account wide. There are books that are literally impossible to get if you miss them during a quest and I'd love to be able to 100% my lore library on my main.

Editic Memory, not Lore Books. ZOS has been pretty good about getting those out into the world where you can access them after the quest has concluded. It's taken years, and there may still be some that are still missing, but they've been working on this.

Xuhora · February 2021

but i like the slayer achievements on every char so i can get these huge junks of XP multiple times
i also like the undaunted achievements on every char, so its easier to reach max in undaunted skill line

i dont want that taken away by someone who cannot stand that the achievement points bar is lower on his 4th twink than on his main. if something absolutly needs to be done (which i dont think) im fine with a little account wide Achievementpoints bar, but leave the achievements themselfs character based

daemondamian · February 2021

I have 13 characters but don't do most harder dlc dungeons or vet/dlc dungeons or normal trials on most of them and some on only 1 of them which is a healer because I'm okay at healing but not great at maxed out endgame dps.

It's sad my main character won't get the achievements I can get by using my healer and I wish he could but also I hardly do any pvp too so I won't get all those related achievements.

I've come to terms with not getting 100% of all achievements but wish there was an alternative way to get particular furnishings that are only available by completing achievements that are related to hardcore competitive pvp or leaderboard trial endgame content.

iksde · February 2021

starkerealm wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

I honestly just want lore book collecting to be account wide. There are books that are literally impossible to get if you miss them during a quest and I'd love to be able to 100% my lore library on my main.

Editic Memory, not Lore Books. ZOS has been pretty good about getting those out into the world where you can access them after the quest has concluded. It's taken years, and there may still be some that are still missing, but they've been working on this.

what about few books which are at gates of all alliances and these books are different?

if we are in 1 alliance we are unable to get few of these books because they are at enemy alliance bases and there is no way to get access to them unless we wont spentn much money on alliance change tokens which also is not from beginning of the game

Mettaricana · February 2021

Lotta weak arguments on why this shouldn't be a thing. Not like we don't get dungeon healer and trial healer after like 10 self heals in a trial on a dps character. So the good tank crap healer title joke of an argument falls flat. As well as no one cares what character you got flawless on because for some reason your still dead in the vet dungeon run. Wanna lock titles fine but everything else account wide.

Tandor · February 2021

CSose wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

CSose wrote: »

It boils down to whether or not it's the player earning the achievements, or the toon earning the achievements. (a toon the player created and equipped) I look at it as the toon is a tool for the player to use, and it's the player earning the achievement, not the toon. The toon is just the tool the player used to earn the achievement.

It makes a lot more sense to have achievements be account wide. Toons aren't real, players are.

The problem with that argument is that few if any would claim that when a character completes a quest the xp and rewards were earned by the player and should go to all the account's characters, and yet it's exactly the same situation, the player completed the quest and not the character - or so some would argue. Besides which, the achievements aren't real either, so the idea that players are real and characters aren't really doesn't make any sense.

Some players like things to be account-wide, others like things to be character-specific. Some are put off rolling alts because of the need to repeat content, others only roll alts in order to repeat the content. Some players want to do everything on one character, other players want to do some things on one character and other things on a different character. I want to do Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood content on my nightblade assassin, and I don't want the achievements for that automatically given to my paladin-style templar who won't go near those guilds (and I'm not even a role-player in any significant way).

Fortunately, ZOS recognise the different approaches and have made a decent balance between them with some things like CPs, collectibles and dye unlocks account-wide and other things like achievements and titles character-specific. It's a fair compromise in my view, and I hope they don't change it- although I'm wholly in favour of an account summary screen showing which characters have earned which achievements.

When the same toon earns the same achievement a second time do they get bonuses for getting it the second time? There are no bonuses that go to any characters specifically for getting an achievement, it's just XP. Mementos are already account wide.

I'm not sure what your point is when achievements can be so easily limited to one instance of a given achievement per account. That limitation is already in place for every toon, it could just be account wide instead.

First, it ruins the point of playing alts for those who want to play them fully and obtain achievements on those characters, and second it also ruins it for those who want some of their characters not to receive certain achievements as I already explained in the case of e.g. the Thieves Guild and/or Dark Brotherhood.

Septimus_Magna · February 2021

The titles you display should only be possible on the character that actually got the all the requirements for the achievement that unlocks the title. Seeing a level 15 with Godslayer or Grand Warlord title should not be possible for example.

The rest of the achievements should be account-wide, it would encourage leveling a different character in new zone because you get the quest and collectible achievements. It doesnt really matter with what class you do 30 dailies or 150 undaunted pledges, its more the time the player invests to complete those achievements. Its probably smart to limit daily achievements to one per account per day so the rate of progress remains the same. All the dyes, skins, outfits etc are account-wide so I dont see a reason why the achievements that unlock these would not be account-wide.

LadyNalcarya · February 2021

Nairinhe wrote: »

Yes: farming and questing achievements. Who cares which character got that winglet?
No: combat-related achievements. You may be a brilliant tank, but a crap healer.

I don't understand this argument. You can already swap your character's race and role, and nobody will know if you got your titles as tank and not as healer. Not to mention that selling carries is a huge business these days, and many people just buy their fancy titles.
There's also a way to implement account-wide achievements without affecting those who want to earn them on each character: they could just add an extra tab where you could see all of your achievements and which characters have them already.

peacenote · February 2021

Mettaricana wrote: »

Lotta weak arguments on why this shouldn't be a thing. Not like we don't get dungeon healer and trial healer after like 10 self heals in a trial on a dps character. So the good tank crap healer title joke of an argument falls flat. As well as no one cares what character you got flawless on because for some reason your still dead in the vet dungeon run. Wanna lock titles fine but everything else account wide.

I really think a big problem with this debate is that many times, including the opening of this thread to which we are all responding, it is not specified whether people want this because of rewards or to see account- wide progress, or both.

ESO has been moving more and more towards account-wide settings for a long time and a lot of the achievements rewards, like dyes, are account wide so at this point I support and agree with the stance that all achievement awards should be account-wide. Along those same lines, I think grouped achievements should look across all characters and reward based on account progress.

Some people want to see their account-wide progress. I also support this. I use a mod for it but it world be a great QoL feature for us to be able to see account progress and all character specific progress regardless of who is logged in (which toon).

What I do NOT agree with is losing the ability to track character-specific progress when getting these other things. I like knowing when my tank specifically cleared xyz, and I like when my new PvP toon gets its own pop-up for her first revenge kill. I will always say no to account-wide achievements, though I support MOST of the reasons for wanting them, if implementation of said feature takes this away from me. Since it is easily done with a PC mod, there is no technical reason why we can't have both.

Now, I have seen some people argue that they are TRUE completionists and can't cope with not having all achievements on all alts, and THAT is why they want this feature. I feel that compared to the broader community, these players are few and far between and this is the one requirement that can't live harmoniously alongside those of us that want to see character-specific progress. Frankly while some people may feel that way, I think that ZOS clearly designed the achievement system expecting that people wouldn't get everything on all characters.... for example two conditions that can't co-exist, vampire and werewolf, have achievements. Yea you can pay or actively seek out both conditions but it seems silly. I prefer to believe that the achievements aren't meant to be all obtained by all toons for most players which as a result makes the above preference for account-wide achievements invalid with the design of ESO.

Anyway, my point is I think we would have more productive conversations on this topic if people clarified whether they wanted account-wide REWARDS, an account-wide TRACKER, and/or the erasure of character-specific progress. Those are all different things. For me personally, I object to only one of the three.

Tandor · February 2021

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

Yes: farming and questing achievements. Who cares which character got that winglet?
No: combat-related achievements. You may be a brilliant tank, but a crap healer.

I don't understand this argument. You can already swap your character's race and role, and nobody will know if you got your titles as tank and not as healer. Not to mention that selling carries is a huge business these days, and many people just buy their fancy titles.
There's also a way to implement account-wide achievements without affecting those who want to earn them on each character: they could just add an extra tab where you could see all of your achievements and which characters have them already.

Nobody is opposed to that, but an account-wide achievement summary isn't what most mean when they argue for account-wide achievements. They just want to roll an endgame alt who already has all the achievements earned by other characters on the account to save them having to repeat the more critical of them.

Much as I dislike the idea of being able to buy a complete alt in the Crown Store I'd prefer that for those that want it rather than messing with the whole character-specific and account-wide balance for the rest of us who don't want a quick route to endgame but want to play all our alts fully and as individual characters with their own separate achievements.