Why there is so many bots ?!?!?!

the.dzeneralb16_ESO · April 2014

Fluhi wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

No, I saw it, which why I said that "I have not seen them". I do all dungeons on the map, generally once. I've only seen other people in there who start around the same time as me. Other than that, no bots.

Don't get me wrong, I know they exist, I'm not saying you guys are wrong, I'm just curious as to where people are running into them

You play on EU server? On NA server you can't go to a single dungeon through stormhaven or rivenspire that doesn't have at least 5 bots at the boss if not more. I running 4 characters up taking my time and out of those 4 all getting through all of stormhaven i had only seen one dungeon on only one of those 4 ever not have a bot at it and it was probly because it was a new instance with only me and another player in it that zoned at same time into it. Let lone all the ones pathing around high hostile mobs area's in rivenspire last 2 days, or like in the video above of 5 bots every 15 seconds going through those quest npc's for a easy teleport botted 280ish gold while wearing fresh character gear and names like haklfdha, alkrioew, jkljkliliij, adffdsaae, etc.

Odd, because I just 100% stormhaven and have been doing rivenspire today. I'm doing it veteran though, not sure if that counts.

the_Burne · April 2014

I've reported tons as well... teams of 8 running around grinding in circles like the zombie farms...

They should all be sent to molag !

Malphas1 · April 2014

Bots everywhere:

World-pvp would solve this problem!

Perseas · April 2014

today I had a huge problem killing a boss in a dungeon, I had to synch my self and count in how many seconds the boss will spawn, be able to get the kill!

bellow is some pictures, from outside daggerfall city DC alliance, there is 2 mini dungeons..

1st)

and second mini dungeon... I took also a pick, how they attack all together.. so much passion.

I tried to count them, but there are so many, more than 20-30 stuck together.. So hard to kill the boss.

Fluhi · April 2014

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Odd, because I just 100% stormhaven and have been doing rivenspire today. I'm doing it veteran though, not sure if that counts.

You won't see low level bots in vet content if any at all because of the requirements to get there. They easily do the quest in a DC factioned player of this video as the quest is in the lvl 29 range with only one mob to fight and i don't believe it's in aggro range of the npc's you have to talk to or they arrive, talk and leave before it can and that is if it isn't dead by some normal player as i didn't watch how they worked at that step but in the inn where this video is they talk to a person downstairs teleport up to a npc, teleport to another spot cast a activation, teleport to next spot then back down to first npc in the inn then go outside.

stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO · April 2014

I'm sorry but you should not report them for botting... they are in a non-combat area... report them for speed hacking / teleport hacking instead... If they check the screen shot you attached all they see is a player just standing there... So they'll probably not check any further as it's very wierd what they'd actualy be "botting" in an inn ingame...

Speedhacks = report as speedhack
Teleporting = report as speedhack
Botting on bosses in dungeon = report for ... well botting

gerry70b16_ESO · April 2014

They must be opening the doors wide open "Here, hack/bot/farm away" while doing some investigating then a huge mass ban. Not the way I'd be doing it though, but that's what it seems as it's at an all time high right now.
Either that, or they just did a mass ban, and they're all coming back with new accounts, which is why they're more noticeable.

Standing here next to a quest giver in Coldharbour (level 44), I'm seeing level 3s in rags teleporting in, then out to complete the quest. I've lost count now how many there are, and they're still doing it as I type. The level 44 quest giver is Teleger the Artificer. You don't need to kill any npc to complete this quest, they just teleport to each objective, then turn it in.

Keep posting and reporting,, show that you care about the game you pay to play each month and that this is not acceptable.

Reenlister · April 2014

Roaming everywhere indeed. I laugh at people who say they never see a bot. You have to be kidding or buying or running them. Yeah, that will upset some people for me to say, but you cant go anywhere without finding bots now. I have yet to enter a boss area that is not full of bots now. Its the worse I have ever seen in the online world of gaming.
On a positive note, I actually got a return call about the issue today. I had written a nice, actually nice letter about two unbelievable run ins with bots, and apparently it was good enough to justify a call back. Of course I didn't get any info on the fix, or plans, but it was nice to hear a human tell me they are aware of the overall displeasure and loss of the support of the community over the bot plague. Which it is, a true plague.
Hopefully, they will work on this, as stated, and though it wont go away completely, maybe we can see some let up in the situation.

quilkhak · April 2014

Malphas1 wrote: »

Bots everywhere
World-pvp would solve this problem!

Yes, this is brilliant idea, i agree
Let's hunt for them !

saki wrote: »

And they are starting to roam outside dungeons. Soon they will be at every mini boss and who knows, maybe even questing.

When they start to gain minerals or other resources i will be forced to cancel subscription....

Darzil · April 2014

quilkhak wrote: »

When they start to gain minerals or other resources i will be forced to cancel subscription....

So you cancelled on launch day?

I have been finding their attempts to spread out and farm other things in smaller numbers a bit funny. Never seen as many dead bots as last night, and once one dies, their friends then die without the support. They'll learn fast enough though.

Mizumi · April 2014

There are that many bots because there are that many fruitcakes who buy from them, and those are the ones id ban for the rest of their lazy lives. If you want to foster a chinese do it the proper way

Tetrasoli · April 2014

So you go into a dungeon and there are 5 Templar bots crowded around a boss. Take them away and you're left with 6 legitimate players doing the same thing. God knows I hate bots, but even if you take them away, you WILL become just as annoyed with the real players.

The solution is for you to be the better player and just politely leave the instance so it isn't as crowded and so that other players can enjoy a challenging and immersive experience in peace. Yes, that was sarcasm.

quilkhak · April 2014

In my opinion, would be sufficient system that would allow killing by pvp bots/players in which there were several reports. Therefore no banning or change the game system would be needed....

JHenry · April 2014

Kyotee0071 wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Where in the world are you all that are seeing all these bots? I have seen maybe 2-3 bots in total and only in the starting zone. I havent seen any since Davon's Watch

Consider yourself lucky. There are numerous post on this forum over the last 24 hours with videos of bots..Most are in public dungeons farming bosses, but since they are getting away with it there (and ZoS tried slowing them down with the boss drop timer) there are starting to run rampant in the actual world now.

One video example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

On AD side last night there was a train of about 10 bots doing the circle in the starting zone farming nodes and killing mobs. It's getting worse, not better.

We now have a common denominator of botters. They are Templars!

EDIT:... you know what, nevermind. Just saw nightblades...

Censorious · April 2014

Tetrasoli wrote: »

So you go into a dungeon and there are 5 Templar bots crowded around a boss. Take them away and you're left with 6 legitimate players doing the same thing. God knows I hate bots, but even if you take them away, you WILL become just as annoyed with the real players.

The solution is for you to be the better player and just politely leave the instance so it isn't as crowded and so that other players can enjoy a challenging and immersive experience in peace. Yes, that was sarcasm.

The (recently introduced) timer system should discourage farming. Having to wait several minutes before you can loot another boss should be enough to make people go and do something more interesting.

Really, Zenimax have just solved the wrong problem. They've made farming less attractive while doing nothing whatsoever to stop the bots, which have infinite patience.
They will happily stand there, killing the boss every time it spawns and calmly accept that they don't get quite such rich pickings as before. It's still a profit.

quilkhak · April 2014

Tetrasoli wrote: »

So you go into a dungeon and there are 5 Templar bots crowded around a boss. Take them away and you're left with 6 legitimate players doing the same thing. God knows I hate bots, but even if you take them away, you WILL become just as annoyed with the real players.......

You must be joking, you really do not see the difference between fighting players and bots? This is how the bots attack the target before he appears. Im noob and now its really difficult to making instances and some quests. Or maybe you are using same botting system and it is simply not your way settle this matter ...?

Guizan · April 2014

gerry70b16_ESO wrote: »

Standing here next to a quest giver in Coldharbour (level 44), I'm seeing level 3s in rags teleporting in, then out to complete the quest. I've lost count now how many there are, and they're still doing it as I type. The level 44 quest giver is Teleger the Artificer. You don't need to kill any npc to complete this quest, they just teleport to each objective, then turn it in.

When I finally got into Coldharbour (at lv 43) I also saw a cluster if lv 3 characters/bots standing there next to the questgiver all named names like dfggfd.

How do they even get in? Hacking the wayshrines?

Tannakaobi · April 2014

Why is it on every bot thread you get someone say 'I haven't seen any'

I call ***!

Anyone that says this is either too stupid to see a bot even when 10 are right in front of them or they are the botters themselves.

Darzil · April 2014

kylemelhuishb16_ESO wrote: »

Why is it on every bot thread you get someone say 'I haven't seen any'

I call ***!

Anyone that says this is either too stupid to see a bot even when 10 are right in front of them or they are the botters themselves.

Or maybe being in several large guilds means you get put into a phase with them rather than botters? I might try and see if it helps.

shadyjane62 · April 2014

Tired of sending reports. Tired of cleaning out useless replies from non-existent customer service. Tired of trying to play the game and feeling taken like a dupe for actually defending this game to my friends who lol at me for putting money in ZOS pocket for what should be still in beta. Just tired of going to forums to see what crap I'm gunna have to face after the last fix.

Just tired...

Tannakaobi · April 2014

Darzil wrote: »

kylemelhuishb16_ESO wrote: »

Why is it on every bot thread you get someone say 'I haven't seen any'

I call ***!

Anyone that says this is either too stupid to see a bot even when 10 are right in front of them or they are the botters themselves.

Or maybe being in several large guilds means you get put into a phase with them rather than botters? I might try and see if it helps.

Well I'm in three maxed trading guilds and one with 300+ and I see bots in every dungeon I go in.

Tipsy · April 2014

hackers are even harder to report,just now I saw a player in the coldharbour rags appear in a house and vanish the next moment before I could report it

Darzil · April 2014

kylemelhuishb16_ESO wrote: »

Darzil wrote: »

kylemelhuishb16_ESO wrote: »

Why is it on every bot thread you get someone say 'I haven't seen any'

I call ***!

Anyone that says this is either too stupid to see a bot even when 10 are right in front of them or they are the botters themselves.

Or maybe being in several large guilds means you get put into a phase with them rather than botters? I might try and see if it helps.

Well I'm in three maxed trading guilds and one with 300+ and I see bots in every dungeon I go in.

Ah well, that's that theory killed. It had a certain logic. And thanks, saves me joining some to try it.

quilkhak · April 2014

Do we have any active gamemasters on EU server ?

Tomster · April 2014

Tipsy wrote: »

hackers are even harder to report,just now I saw a player in the coldharbour rags appear in a house and vanish the next moment before I could report it

I haven't tested this myself, but this addon might help:
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info181-FastReport.html

Raivyn · April 2014

The whole thing is getting worse. I got my main to 25 and decided to start an alt. Got to leveling in Stonefalls and the bots are everywhere. They're running in scripted paths killing anything they come across, or they're camping nodes that are respawning every 3 seconds. One jute camper actually said hi to me when I got nearby. I asked it if it was a bot and it didn't reply, just kept farming the node and then started to run in a set path between that node and another. First time I've seen a bot runner actually man the keyboard. I guess they're wising up to all the reporting.

Anyhow, there was another player there at the time who decided to take matters into her own hands. She kited NPCs that had aoe abilities over to a pair of bots and just kept healing herself while they did their thing, which eventually resulted in one of the bots getting killed. Aside from being funny to watch, this was interesting because it did succeed in getting the bot runner's attention. The remaining bot was about to die and it immediately stopped running its scripted path and logged out. It returned a couple of minutes later, saw we were still there, and moved to another node. She went on to get it killed there, too.

Maybe we should all rise up as one and slay them ourselves, since apparently we can inconvenience them faster than ZOS can.

Eris · April 2014

kylemelhuishb16_ESO wrote: »

Why is it on every bot thread you get someone say 'I haven't seen any'

I call ***!

Anyone that says this is either too stupid to see a bot even when 10 are right in front of them or they are the botters themselves.

I didn't see any yesterday, at least not that I could tell were bots. The 2 dungeons I ran in Stormhaven were void of bots, which made it difficult to figure out where the boss was...

The question I have is why do all these bot threads get created when there are already so many others. It is like the people creating them don't know that they are spamming the forums as much as the gold sellers spam the zone channel.

reggielee · April 2014

i think that recent anti gold farming have put a dent in dungeon farming for the gold spammers to make money, so we are seeing more and more pve out in landscape farmers out there to compensate.

I also have seen forums dedicated to making 'pathing cheats' for any player to use, whereby the toon will react to known node/mob activation sites with scripted actions like harvesting, spamming hits etc. so we are now seeing real players using these bots for personal gain.

whatever, bunch of lazy arse wimps in my mind. they are the first to whine about anything and if get banned go on a hate campaign on the web.

plenilune · April 2014

Every dungeon after the 3rd major zone has been full of bots. So full of it in fact that I can't even get credit for killing the boss. And it's so obvious the way they all move in harmony as boss moves around. A few full time GMs should have no problems banning the *** out of these botters in the whole of Tamriel. But of course Zenimax would rather skimp on employee cost.

Eris · April 2014

plenilune wrote: »

Every dungeon after the 3rd major zone has been full of bots. So full of it in fact that I can't even get credit for killing the boss. And it's so obvious the way they all move in harmony as boss moves around. A few full time GMs should have no problems banning the *** out of these botters in the whole of Tamriel. But of course Zenimax would rather skimp on employee cost.

That is not necessarily the case. Right now they could have hundreds of GMs on-line at a time, but the GM time is being taken up reading through 500 petitions on the same subject because people think that it is valuable or helpful that they submit 10 petitions on the same subject. The GM has to spend time reading what has been written, figuring out the solution, only to find out that another GM has already handled it because this is just a 5th iteration of the same petition sent over and over again every minute.

Even if there are full-time GMs banning the bots, there is still a lot of work that goes into the banning. Yes, they can nuke a person for botting, but then they likely have to fill out an incident report as to why that person was banned. It's not like they ban you and move on to the next banning, they have to provide a reason why, they might have to provide what they did to verify it was a bot, and they likely have to do this for every single person they ban.

Why? Because when someone sends a reinstate petition, the CS reps have to be able to look up why the ban was handed out, who did it, what they did to determine the person was worthy of the ban, etc. Without that sort of record keeping, there would be little the CS rep could do.

I realize people think that the back-end of an MMO is a bunch of wand waiving fairies that can make magic things happen, but there is so much more to it. Just ask a police officer how much extra work he has to do every time he writes a ticket or makes an arrest.