Two and Three. I do get tired of filling out the report form, clicking on the dropdown, clicking screenshot checkbox and then hitting submit. Make it easy and permaban anyone who has gotten 50 reports.

Blackwidow wrote: »

ZOS----How to get rid of goldsellers:

1) Limit the amount of /zone and /yell posts to 2 per minute until you are 15th level. Limit the size of the post to 3 lines.

Keep in mind there is also say, tell, guild chat and other ways to ask for help if a normal player needs it.

How often does a normal person really post /zone or /yell more than 2 times per minute in the game, really?

2) Let there be a /goldseller list like /ignore. Make this list unlimited, but after 2 weeks the name is auto deleted.

3) Let us right click on the name and click gold seller. This puts them on a /goldseller list. This should also auto report them to you, so we don't have to go through the tedious process of reporting them to you every time.

4)Limit mailing to 0 unless they are on your friends or guild list, for the first 15 levels.

5)Let us have a junk mail tab that all mails not from friends or guildmates will go to.

Do this ASAP. Thank you.

Interesting ideas. But the only sure-fire way to curb the selling of gold for real cash is to allow the sale of it and track it to the receivers and ban both sellers and buyers. Of course ZOS will HAVE to employ a few fulltime GMs that can implement rules enforcement and such.

1) Automatically track any deliveries of gold without corresponding items being transferred.

2) Contact both parties ingame and investigate.

3) If the situation is fishy, issue temp suspensions pending full investigations.

4) Re-instate suspended accounts if investigations turn up no RMT activity, with apologies and a bit of comp time. Permanent IP banning if a gold sale did go down.


Simply that simple. If ZOS makes the buyers as accountable as the sellers, the market won't die, but the buyers will have to think long and hard as to whether they want to throw away their accounts.

Too harsh? I don't think so. There is zero reason to buy gold in any MMO. Especially one like TESO where both gear AND gold are so easy to acquire.

malikwalker_ESO wrote: »

Interesting ideas. But the only sure-fire way to curb the selling of gold for real cash is to allow the sale of it and track it to the receivers and ban both sellers and buyers.

No, my list would curb them a lot.

1) Automatically track any deliveries of gold without corresponding items being transferred.

You want them to keep track of every character to character trade and go over each and every one?

You know there are millions of these a day, right? (this assumes we in fact do have of millions of players as reported)

2) Contact both parties ingame and investigate.

GM: Goldseller234, are you a gold seller?

Goldseller234: No, Sir!

GM: Bob, did you buy gold from Goldseller234?

Bob: No, Sir!

GM: Okay, no problem then. Have fun playing!

3) If the situation is fishy, issue temp suspensions pending full investigations.

So, if it even seems like something is wrong, ban both parties and sort it all out later?

4) Re-instate suspended accounts if investigations turn up no RMT activity, with apologies and a bit of comp time. Permanent IP banning if a gold sale did go down.

So, reinstate innocent players so they can then rage quit and tell ZOS to go screw themselves.

Simply that simple.

We both agree that plan landed squarely on the simple side.

If ZOS makes the buyers as accountable as the sellers, the market won't die, but the buyers will have to think long and hard as to whether they want to throw away their accounts.

Look, I would love for GM to be able to ban buyers and sellers in a heartbeat. Thing is, it is simply not that simple.

It really doesn't take long at all to get to lvl 15, especially for a bot/gold-seller, why put more restriction on something that's easier for a bot to get around than a real player? Putting restrictions on chat like this is only treating a symptom and not the problem. Same with providing tools to the pub to make it easier to report them, ya it'd be more convenient for the time being but when the majority of gold-sellers are gone what good is that convenience? It was made this way with specific intentions, I really don't think they made this report process on such a noob level that so many people are trying to make it out to be.
If it wasn't for the gold-sellers spam, would you still be wanting that kind of delay in chat? I can certainly tell you even a 15 second delay in PVP when leading a group is a long time, Often times group leaders lead players that are not in the group... a max group size is 24, there's often many more players than that.

Even making the report process a single click taking 1/2 second - it's still going to go through support where they will investigate, following the same process as any complaint. Speeding up and shortcutting the process is only going to leave more holes for legitimate players to get caught up in... which if you've been following you should see they already have caught so many legit accounts in what short-cuts they have taken. Not to mention the time it would take for support to create/implement that, granted may not be that long but it's still time away from fixing broken quests, errors, and balancing.

Do you really want support spending more time on band-aids to treat the symptom? or do you want a real permanent solution? If you really want those band-aids: delayed chat, spam folder/auto-delete for mail, automated reports, gold-seller ignore list, quick-buttons instead of quick-key/wheel... you can do all that with add-ons (with the exception of an unlimited ignore list, but still a separated list with a 2 week expiration is possible).

@Ravvin - it is possible to get the names/id's from everyone in your area - if it loads on screen the game is loading their info, same with zone chat. Using a mod to watch all that info - simply going to one of these areas, happening to walk by a bot, or chatting in zone chat will give them that info... they save it in a database (similar to saving harvest node info) then they share it amongst the whole company... once they have your character - they have your ID, then they can spam your mail and guild invites all they want without ever running into you again even if you make a new toon. But I think they may have changed part of it so you can't get all the players info just from being in the area, I saw a couple mods that tried doing that to try and automate reporting bots and I don't see them around any more. But they can still get your info just from a bot watching high traffic areas - wayshrines, banks, crafting locations... Not that any of this would make you feel better

LOL, yes the bots can do it in a few hours, in the initialization of it will just delay it a few hours then they will be back on spamming just as much, unless they don't care about the 30 second or even 1 min delay, having that chat delay will only annoy the real players. If you want the symptom gone, just install one of the many add-ons made specifically for that reason. it wouldn't be hard to modify it to have a two week expiration - or better yet have it send a whisper and if it comes back with an error - no account found - then remove it from the list. still an easy fix with an add-on.

Gold sellers gone? ok, I jumped that one a little far. I meant that in hopes that it won't be as aggressive, so I guess a better phrase would be - when it slows down? I know that completely getting rid of them is hardly likely, if the changes are going towards the long term solution to the gold sellers than I'll jump on board, I just don't want to be jumping at or demanding short term solutions. I think it would be rather sad if these band-aids (that can be put on using an add-on) is the long term solution.

1. These guys run multiple accounts, just spam each account every 2 mins, no problem. Normal people have conversations in zone chat, its called being social which is what MMOs are about

2. Have you tried ignoring these guys? Ignore 1 and 5 mins later another pops up, do you like to play whack a mole?

5. Over reacting, I get a few mails a day, really not worth wasting resources to develop this, just press X to delete mail

Basically, get out of the starting zones and the spam will die down. Less time on forums, more time playing people.

Robbiejuve wrote: »

1. These guys run multiple accounts, just spam each account every 2 mins, no problem. Normal people have conversations in zone chat, its called being social which is what MMOs are about.

And you need to spam the zone chat why? Seriously, you really need to post more than twice a minute in zone chat? Can't switch to a tell?

Keep in mind this is only for the first 15 levels.

Have you tried ignoring these guys? Ignore 1 and 5 mins later another pops up, do you like to play whack a mole?

Not if they have to be 15th lvl.

Also, right clicking a name take 2 seconds. So, yes it is an easy fix.

Over reacting, I get a few mails a day, really not worth wasting resources to develop this, just press X to delete mail.

So, do nothing about the spam in mail instead of an easy fix? Why?

Basically, get out of the starting zones and the spam will die down. Less time on forums, more time playing people.

Yes, it is only in the low levels. So, the low level players should just live with it instead of ZOS trying to minimize the problem?

An instant report option would be nice.

It's too time consuming trying to fill out report forms for every gold seller I come across.

again with the clicking thing, it makes no difference what level the bot is on. if the bots/gold sellers don't spam until lvl 15 they will fill that cycle in botting to level 15 then start spamming, then you can click, once that cycle is filled it's not delaying anything, the next bot will be up to spam, click - gone, ok but next bot will be up to spam just as fast as they are comming up now... all it is is an initial delay of 2 hrs and a lot more headache and whining from real players. If the gold-sellers don't care about getting to lvl 15 before spamming, it's still not much difference, with the add-ons it will catch them on the first spam and auto-ignore. otherwise a human reader might let a second one in before ignoring. which the chat delay has no effect on.
- Imagine a leak in your roof, you put a pillow under the leak - sure it will stop it... for a little while, but eventually start leaking through the pillow. Only difference now is the water has to go through the pillow, but it's not going to slow it down... just a delay.

I like the list.
3 is exact what I had in mind a while back
If a player is tagged goldseller they'll be silenced until the matter is investigated
And the message is instantly taken off the board.

However there should also be severe punishment for players reporting others without reason then

@Blackwidow

1) Won't work

As you see in the screen shot, the spammers uses an average of 2 posts per minute, he did once 3 though but lowering the post to 2 per minutes is just a placebo, it will be more problematic than anything else

class101 wrote: »

@Blackwidow

1) Won't work

As you see in the screen shot, the spammers uses an average of 2 posts per minute, he did once 3 though but lowering the post to 2 per minutes is just a placebo, it will be more problematic than anything else

That is one gold seller. I have seen many post much more in one minute.

Also, that is one cog in the whole plan.

that image that class101 added,I think that is the same one that has been a plague in the glenumbra area.Though all their names look alike..there are so many you'd start to doubt which ones you have reported and which ones you havent

GambitJ79b14_ESO wrote: »

no - there is a big difference...

The only difference I care about is that they can only post twice a minute instead of mass spams.

You obviously think this will do nothing. I disagree.

Let's leave it at that.

Fresh from Glenumbra..its how chat appears to be 90% of the time..perhaps that zone needs a special visit for now (EU server)