Why PVP is so broken in this game?

pauld1_ESO · September 2020

This PvP is certainly broken, people who are good at it just know how to exploit the broken better than you do lol.

Yes, there is skill involved but it has more to do with learning how to play within the broken mechanics first and foremost. My guess is most people get discouraged at how *** it is when they first try it they do not stick with it to learn. So while it is a learn to play issue, if it was not so messed up more people would try to learn.

Eliran · September 2020

pauld1_ESO wrote: »

This PvP is certainly broken, people who are good at it just know how to exploit the broken better than you do lol.

Yes, there is skill involved but it has more to do with learning how to play within the broken mechanics first and foremost. My guess is most people get discouraged at how *** it is when they first try it they do not stick with it to learn. So while it is a learn to play issue, if it was not so messed up more people would try to learn.

Its literally like the war card game, either you have the edge by having the larger number or someone else does, its frustrating.

Who ever have better gear win, simple as that.

Recapitated · September 2020

Eliran wrote: »

Who ever have better gear win, simple as that.

Which gear? What gear do you not have that would enable you to get these superpowers you keep talking about?

Are we on the third day of this?

Davadin · September 2020

HappyTheCamper wrote: »

Anytime players can have stacks of defense that prevent them from dying, but they can also turn and two-shot people is the definition of unbalanced.

it's it a dragonknight build by any chance?

you know any...umm... Links to such build?

Eliran · September 2020

I wish I knew, all I know its something that came with greymoor.

I believe its the mythic block chest that makes you immortal blocking with another 2 sets combine that cause this insane damage and immortal stance ... don't know forsure and not gonna try, its disgusting.

WARchief10K · September 2020

Eliran wrote: »

I honestly gave up the moment I saw an entire army of 10+ people trying to take down 1 guy but cant because he is immortal, killing them 1 by 1.

I am sorry if I hurt anyone feelings, but that is 100% not skill but abuse of broken mechanics

That's ZoS even remotely allow this broken stuff to happen, already prove how neglected the PVP scene is, I've never had such a bad PVP experience in my life and I've played hundreds of PVP games in my gaming life.

This is simply a whole new level of imbalance, its exactly the same as playing Diablo 3 and going from zero to hero the moment you finish your set items, there its PVE, here its PVP.

Keyword mods since you always pop in: neglected.

Someone should be forwarding that, not pocket watching everyone to make sure they play nicely together even on Twitch.

Jierdanit · September 2020

Eliran wrote: »

I wish I knew, all I know its something that came with greymoor.

I believe its the mythic block chest that makes you immortal blocking with another 2 sets combine that cause this insane damage and immortal stance ... don't know forsure and not gonna try, its disgusting.

So you just believe that something is broken, but dont know what actually is broken and are not willing to test the stuff as well and you are still complaining about it?

To me that just sounds like you dont know what is going on in there and rather than actually trying to learn [snip]

Stop thinking no one can actually be better than you and accept that ppl can kill you because they know more about the game than you.

Ofc gear is also a part, but just a strong build doesnt make a strong player, [snip]

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vamp_emily · September 2020

Funny back in the day everyone wore "Black Rose" and thought they had "skills".

Recapitated · September 2020

Eliran wrote: »

I wish I knew, all I know its something that came with greymoor.

I believe its the mythic block chest that makes you immortal blocking with another 2 sets combine that cause this insane damage and immortal stance ... don't know forsure and not gonna try, its disgusting.

This thread reads like "I played with 3 people against Ronaldinho and he beat us, he's exploiting the laws of physics, if I had his shoes I'd be winning but I will never put that claim to the test because I might be proven wrong it's disgusting". Like it's probably not helping you but he'd still be better than you all with $20 sneakers. He's not exploiting anything, he's playing the game.

If there's anything that's disgusting here it's 10 players ganging up on one. You're the one who expects to be handed the win because of the circumstances you were in rather than skill. It's not like you were doing a good job fighting off one team in BGs and got hit with a bunch of snipes from a 1-button NB from the third team. That person is being carried, by another team no less. Your opponent here OTOH prevailed in spite of the circumstances that should have favoured you. You should have been carried by the numbers and you were not.

Respect that. You *could* see this as evidence that you have a lot to learn about PVP mechanics and strive to overcome the challenge and the frustration; they had to do it and so can you. A lot of the time if you ask those players what they were wearing and what you did wrong they'll tell you. The #1 person you're competing against is yourself. Keep playing, die productively, and get draws or wins where you would have gotten losses before. Take pride in the fact that you persevered where others would have taken their ball and gone home.

And try wearing this supposedly OP gear, you'll often find the grass is not as green as you thought. What class was your opponent anyway?

wowzerss · September 2020

On this topic, can someone explain the rubber-banding bug that I see a bunch of people in IC taking advantage of? Like at first it looks like they streak but it's more of a jump from point A to B to A again without rotating their toon. People who I've gotten down to 10% health and they just continually snap around the map avoiding death then act like they outplayed you. Someone please explain

Waffennacht · September 2020

wowzerss wrote: »

On this topic, can someone explain the rubber-banding bug that I see a bunch of people in IC taking advantage of? Like at first it looks like they streak but it's more of a jump from point A to B to A again without rotating their toon. People who I've gotten down to 10% health and they just continually snap around the map avoiding death then act like they outplayed you. Someone please explain

From my experience, its all on your side visually. I have seen players streak and rubber band, however, when I use streak Ive never seen my character rubber band.

Recapitated · September 2020

wowzerss wrote: »

On this topic, can someone explain the rubber-banding bug that I see a bunch of people in IC taking advantage of? Like at first it looks like they streak but it's more of a jump from point A to B to A again without rotating their toon. People who I've gotten down to 10% health and they just continually snap around the map avoiding death then act like they outplayed you. Someone please explain

I think you're just seeing a sorc go from A to B, but then the game displays them at A again briefly. I also get stunned by streak well before I see an animation which makes me think the display is behind. I notice it with knockbacks as well, people will get Clenched back but then for a split-second they're at their original location (and it's obviously not on purpose since it's mid-stun).

ScardyFox · September 2020

After this many days I have come to realize people are chasing their own tails most of the time, thrusting fingers at anything, and everything that happens to beat them and calling it "broken." The first culprit was the werewolf as "broken", then it was the HP pool. Then when many people started to realize they're (werewolves) actually fairly easy to do with, it became warden, then sorc, then proc sets and on and on and on. Always a new villain on the horizon every day in this forum section, rather than taking a step back and analyzing what happened/went wrong.

I hope the game IS NEVER balance to the way many people seemingly want it to be. There should be things that are stronger than others for the sake of exciting matchups, rather than harmonized, tasteless rock-paper-scissor battles. Are there some things that need tuning? Yes, absolutely... but if you look at the sheer amount of "This is Broke!" "That's broken!" "Now, this is broken", post, and line them up with what people are saying, its clear a hell of a lot of the time its L2p issues.

There are times you're going to need to flat out get better.

There are times you're going to need to put in the time and effort farming gear, or getting gold to make better gear.

There are times where you will have to put in the effort to practice fighting with your class against real people rather than dungeons.

There are times where you will have to pick your battles, like when I got jumped by three people today, whom of which the highest character was at CP235. Not the best idea against an 810 person.

Again, there are some things that need tunning and sometimes drive me crazy (for instance ice Wardens who have made VERY clever builds that are obnoxious), but I DO not want it burned to the ground. Most of the time a lot of people simply need to put in the effort to self-improve, there are a lot of mechanics to the game and lots of ways to get better.

All that said... meh, you will either take the time to get better (and have the insight to actually point out the messed up aspects) or just make daily changing complaints about anything that has happened to kill you today.

taugrim · September 2020

Daffen wrote: »

If you guys want to see the closest one can get to beeing "unkillable" then its a permablock tank. Deals no damage, takes almost no damage and has insane healing. Fukcal51 was a great tank player on xbox with lots of tanking videos on youtube. I used to tank on pc and uploaded a build video with some clips i got in a couple hours last year.
https://youtu.be/Y4nKaNxWHHI

There is no need to nerf these type of builds as they deal no damage and are just a fun playstyle, however there used to be players running a damage set frontbar 2h with cyrodiils crest backbar snb on a dragonknight able to tank 5 players while still killing them.

That was hilarious.

And it's not a problem as you said because he can't kill anything with that build.

Heimdarm · September 2020

Angtynur wrote: »

I've been months away from the game and decided to check the "performance improvements". In PVP, critical rush does not work, leap does not work, silver leash does not work. All gap closers are bugged. I thought it was a bug in the IC event, but then the same issues happened in battleground. All my friends already left because the game is broken. The company releases new chapters before fixing basic stuff. This is the end for me.

I deleted all my characters and emptied my bank. Guild disbanded. Happened a few days ago, it was a rage quit. I decided to go back to WOW. At least it is working. However as Shadowlands comes only on october 27, I created one last character in ESO and decided that next time I just ask steam to remove it from my steam library, that will be an obvious point of no return.

Today I enjoyed the dungeons and BGs more or less below lvl 50. However, before I closed the game, ESO reminded me why I hate it so much as well. In the last 2 BGs half oy my slotted NB skills didn't work, they simply didn't cast whenI pressed the buttons. [snip]

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Renegader · January 2021

i mean, this just shows more about other players. even 10 pvers cant beat 1 good pvp player that is optimised

AlienMagi · January 2021

relentless_turnip wrote: »

This happens during every PvP event.
Honestly it takes time, no one is exploiting, these sets, skills and classes are available to everyone. I regularly fight people outnumbered and during a PvP event a seasoned PvP player fighting 10 pve players is neither difficult or impressive.

I fought and killed at least 5 people in IC yesterday on my own with a warden bow/bow build. It is anything but meta and is *** compared to any of my other builds. Most of those people didn't even heal when they were low health despite all having over 800 cp. It is just inexperience and a lack of muscle memory when it comes to a defensive rotation. Also lacking any use of the many nooks and crannies present in IC.

I don't consider myself top tier either, plenty of people hand me my arse 😂

It takes a long time to get good at PvP the skill gap is huge. This always is quite shocking to those unaccustomed to PvP. If you want a PvP game you can jump straight into generally most mmo's are off the table. I found ESO much harder to get the hang of than any of the other mmo's I have played.

Im amazed that you actually find this "skill gap" difference okay.

The game is supposed to be fun and when you let people with certain sets be literally 1000x stronger than a noob who just started playing its clear to everyone that there is a huge balancing issue and new players wont even bother trying to get into PVP.

Any other game with good balancing will always let a complete noob have a chance to outplay a top geared max level player.

tuxon · January 2021

When 5, 10, 15 players all drop their ultis on one player and he doesn't die this is not skill or anyhow balanced.

Renegader · January 2021

AlienMagi wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

This happens during every PvP event.
Honestly it takes time, no one is exploiting, these sets, skills and classes are available to everyone. I regularly fight people outnumbered and during a PvP event a seasoned PvP player fighting 10 pve players is neither difficult or impressive.

I fought and killed at least 5 people in IC yesterday on my own with a warden bow/bow build. It is anything but meta and is *** compared to any of my other builds. Most of those people didn't even heal when they were low health despite all having over 800 cp. It is just inexperience and a lack of muscle memory when it comes to a defensive rotation. Also lacking any use of the many nooks and crannies present in IC.

I don't consider myself top tier either, plenty of people hand me my arse 😂

It takes a long time to get good at PvP the skill gap is huge. This always is quite shocking to those unaccustomed to PvP. If you want a PvP game you can jump straight into generally most mmo's are off the table. I found ESO much harder to get the hang of than any of the other mmo's I have played.

Im amazed that you actually find this "skill gap" difference okay.

The game is supposed to be fun and when you let people with certain sets be literally 1000x stronger than a noob who just started playing its clear to everyone that there is a huge balancing issue and new players wont even bother trying to get into PVP.

Any other game with good balancing will always let a complete noob have a chance to outplay a top geared max level player.

i actually sort of agree with this. I feel like this is the main reason why eso never became a e-sport. it has never held tournaments (real ones) either. there should be a skill gap, and a gear cap but not to this unbalanced extend

Recapitated · February 2021

IntenseRenegader wrote: »

AlienMagi wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

This happens during every PvP event.
Honestly it takes time, no one is exploiting, these sets, skills and classes are available to everyone. I regularly fight people outnumbered and during a PvP event a seasoned PvP player fighting 10 pve players is neither difficult or impressive.

I fought and killed at least 5 people in IC yesterday on my own with a warden bow/bow build. It is anything but meta and is *** compared to any of my other builds. Most of those people didn't even heal when they were low health despite all having over 800 cp. It is just inexperience and a lack of muscle memory when it comes to a defensive rotation. Also lacking any use of the many nooks and crannies present in IC.

I don't consider myself top tier either, plenty of people hand me my arse 😂

It takes a long time to get good at PvP the skill gap is huge. This always is quite shocking to those unaccustomed to PvP. If you want a PvP game you can jump straight into generally most mmo's are off the table. I found ESO much harder to get the hang of than any of the other mmo's I have played.

Im amazed that you actually find this "skill gap" difference okay.

The game is supposed to be fun and when you let people with certain sets be literally 1000x stronger than a noob who just started playing its clear to everyone that there is a huge balancing issue and new players wont even bother trying to get into PVP.

Any other game with good balancing will always let a complete noob have a chance to outplay a top geared max level player.

i actually sort of agree with this. I feel like this is the main reason why eso never became a e-sport. it has never held tournaments (real ones) either. there should be a skill gap, and a gear cap but not to this unbalanced extend

I can't relate. My experience with ESO is getting to CP160 is easy and getting meta gear for PvP builds is easy (mind you a lot of dungeon sets are meta now, but that wasn't really the case 6 months ago). No-CP campaigns exist. 90% of the work is l2p.

There's a few p2w elements though.

UntouchableHunter · February 2021

HappyTheCamper wrote: »

Anytime players can have stacks of defense that prevent them from dying, but they can also turn and two-shot people is the definition of unbalanced.

Exactly.

Pick a Stamnecro or stamwarden
Blastbones or subassault, Dzswing, Dzswing and Executioner.

And some people call this "skilled players that have to press the right button at the right time"

Aham...

relentless_turnip · February 2021

AlienMagi wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

This happens during every PvP event.
Honestly it takes time, no one is exploiting, these sets, skills and classes are available to everyone. I regularly fight people outnumbered and during a PvP event a seasoned PvP player fighting 10 pve players is neither difficult or impressive.

I fought and killed at least 5 people in IC yesterday on my own with a warden bow/bow build. It is anything but meta and is *** compared to any of my other builds. Most of those people didn't even heal when they were low health despite all having over 800 cp. It is just inexperience and a lack of muscle memory when it comes to a defensive rotation. Also lacking any use of the many nooks and crannies present in IC.

I don't consider myself top tier either, plenty of people hand me my arse 😂

It takes a long time to get good at PvP the skill gap is huge. This always is quite shocking to those unaccustomed to PvP. If you want a PvP game you can jump straight into generally most mmo's are off the table. I found ESO much harder to get the hang of than any of the other mmo's I have played.

Im amazed that you actually find this "skill gap" difference okay.

The game is supposed to be fun and when you let people with certain sets be literally 1000x stronger than a noob who just started playing its clear to everyone that there is a huge balancing issue and new players wont even bother trying to get into PVP.

Any other game with good balancing will always let a complete noob have a chance to outplay a top geared max level player.

There are no op sets that someone has access to that you don't. Unless you're referring to dlc/mythics. If you enjoy the content practice and you will be able to compete👍

relentless_turnip · February 2021

IntenseRenegader wrote: »

AlienMagi wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

This happens during every PvP event.
Honestly it takes time, no one is exploiting, these sets, skills and classes are available to everyone. I regularly fight people outnumbered and during a PvP event a seasoned PvP player fighting 10 pve players is neither difficult or impressive.

I fought and killed at least 5 people in IC yesterday on my own with a warden bow/bow build. It is anything but meta and is *** compared to any of my other builds. Most of those people didn't even heal when they were low health despite all having over 800 cp. It is just inexperience and a lack of muscle memory when it comes to a defensive rotation. Also lacking any use of the many nooks and crannies present in IC.

I don't consider myself top tier either, plenty of people hand me my arse 😂

It takes a long time to get good at PvP the skill gap is huge. This always is quite shocking to those unaccustomed to PvP. If you want a PvP game you can jump straight into generally most mmo's are off the table. I found ESO much harder to get the hang of than any of the other mmo's I have played.

Im amazed that you actually find this "skill gap" difference okay.

The game is supposed to be fun and when you let people with certain sets be literally 1000x stronger than a noob who just started playing its clear to everyone that there is a huge balancing issue and new players wont even bother trying to get into PVP.

Any other game with good balancing will always let a complete noob have a chance to outplay a top geared max level player.

i actually sort of agree with this. I feel like this is the main reason why eso never became a e-sport. it has never held tournaments (real ones) either. there should be a skill gap, and a gear cap but not to this unbalanced extend

I started playing in 2018. I found it difficult at first too, but find good friends and a guild and you'll get better and be very competitive. Like any other mmo you need to learn skills and mechanics and act accordingly. Most MMOs reward experience and skill. ESO focuses much more on the latter than most. There is no op sets inaccessible. I don't need to do a grind every night for a month to get competitive gear. I can literally craft or buy some and jump in at cp160.

I think it is just too buggy to have an official competition of any kind. Half the time server rng is the deciding factor 😂

Kwoung · February 2021

Eliran wrote: »

I honestly gave up the moment I saw an entire army of 10+ people trying to take down 1 guy but cant because he is immortal, killing them 1 by 1.

I am sorry if I hurt anyone feelings, but that is 100% not skill but abuse of broken mechanics

That's ZoS even remotely allow this broken stuff to happen, already prove how neglected the PVP scene is, I've never had such a bad PVP experience in my life and I've played hundreds of PVP games in my gaming life.

This is simply a whole new level of imbalance, its exactly the same as playing Diablo 3 and going from zero to hero the moment you finish your set items, there its PVE, here its PVP.

I think we saw you out there. It was really sad to watch all those clueless players throwing themselves at that guy and dying, it took 3 of us about 7 seconds to kill him for you after you all died and stopped letting him heal constantly.

UGotBenched91 · February 2021

TequilaFire wrote: »

Knowledge and having the skill to use it is so OP.

This quote seems to be suggesting that as long as you know how to make a build that can 1 vs 10 and win it’s ok? Please correct that if I’m wrong. Yes, if given the knowledge on how to replicate builds like this people could use them. The point is these types of builds shouldn’t be able to exist on the first place.

Girl_Number8 · February 2021

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Knowledge and having the skill to use it is so OP.

This quote seems to be suggesting that as long as you know how to make a build that can 1 vs 10 and win it’s ok? Please correct that if I’m wrong. Yes, if given the knowledge on how to replicate builds like this people could use them. The point is these types of builds shouldn’t be able to exist on the first place.

You can have any build and still get rekted if you’re not also an experienced player. Also EU and NA are very different in builds and play styles but the better PvPer will have the advantage. Unless they’re stubborn and are not running certain classes sometimes.

I am stubborn and like playing all the classes and I still enjoy PvP.

That said this is just an OP by someone a bit salty after dying in a video game during MyM. Just venting, not saying what they were wearing and anything about their build or problem areas. No ask for help or an experienced player(s) to run around with to learn.

Most players do want to learn but sadly they don’t make many posts on the forums here.

madrab73 · February 2021

Both Warden and Malacath are pay 2 win, don't expect them to be balanced anytime soon.

Universe · February 2021

The almost 7 years old question lol

Though it wasn't always like this, in 2015, 2016, 2017 and part of 2018 it was a lot better(many bugs and performance issues but still better), after that it only went downhill.

spartaxoxo · February 2021

FrankonPC wrote: »

build strength

Having build stength variances that dramatic is the imbalance. You shouldn't be able to build a hero that does so many things that it's trivializes such a numbers disadvantage

spartaxoxo · February 2021

Gorreck wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

HappyTheCamper wrote: »

Anytime players can have stacks of defense that prevent them from dying, but they can also turn and two-shot people is the definition of unbalanced.

The only unbalance is the understanding and ability of players. The game is what it is.

That's the major flaw (apart from lag) in ESO PvP. I've played a lot of PVP MMORPGs going back to 1997, I've played on full loot servers, exp loss servers and even the odd perma-death server, all were fun in their own way.

But there is nothing fun about coming up against an ESO "immortal build" without understanding what is going on (and indeed why it is allowed to go on and on).

Even when you do understand (and may people will never because they just quit in frustration) the only real option isn't out-skill or outplay them, it is ignored them/run away or join them.

This. I have played PvP in many others games over the years, and never have I seen such a massive gap between people who know what they were doing and newcomes outside of one p2w mmo where the best pvp gear cost a couple thousand dollars and let you literally faceroll people not wearing it.