Why PVP is so broken in this game?

BlossomDead

+100.

This is the daily experience in Cyrodiil. And ball groups that vacuum the earth. Try to get your scroll back from those while running at full speed and heal stacking while leveling you out using Dark Convergence. If the lag doesn't kill you first of course.

Minno

I've seen worse xv1 in other games. I used to think ESO was bad but I saw entire wow classic servers get deleted by factions no life griefing the enemy faction till the server was 96% one faction.

And in new world pvp revolves around 1 healing weapon. Though mechanically new world is much sexier than ESO overall (12 weaponsx12 weapons=144 potential build options and decently sexy graphics) there's easier time to gear out in ESO than NW. Don't get me started on NW's terrible watermark system either; you need a zerg to increase each slot by 2-4 watermark level and you need to go from 500 to 600 in order to start farming powerful gear. And there's less of a chance to 1vx there given you have 2-3 weapons with 1vx compatible skills.

ESO has alot of strengths still that put other games to shame, and the dev team should never forget that. I still miss 2014 ESO, but I liked it's DAoC mechanics over the Skyrim online mechanics they adjusted to, so that's probably why.

Rohamad_Ali

As a veteran trash cloak spamming NB, I can relate to the OP. As a Get Good enthusiast, I can relate to the greats of ESO legend. It's just a game after all. Maybe you could Zerg surf an support heal like yours truly and hardly ever die. *cloaks out*

Succuby

Eliran wrote: »

I honestly gave up the moment I saw an entire army of 10+ people trying to take down 1 guy but cant because he is immortal, killing them 1 by 1.

I am sorry if I hurt anyone feelings, but that is 100% not skill but abuse of broken mechanics

That's ZoS even remotely allow this broken stuff to happen, already prove how neglected the PVP scene is, I've never had such a bad PVP experience in my life and I've played hundreds of PVP games in my gaming life.

This is simply a whole new level of imbalance, its exactly the same as playing Diablo 3 and going from zero to hero the moment you finish your set items, there its PVE, here its PVP.

A lot of people play such badly - that if they just stand it would be more proffit from them than when try to do some thing.

Such players must not kill any players and if compare to other games Pay To Win as example - difference in such game of theme attack on Donated character and good character is about in 1000 times, i do 100 damage to them they do 100 000 to me.

With out it - just think that they are 1000 times more skilled.

You have chance before with procs, but you do not like procs so now all PVP is like 1 player put as many HOTS he can on himself and kill with 3 button combo others.

Such PVP is Skilles and brainless.

No real skill or brain needed to it i even do not play it anymore.

If you have good sets, more skills it may be be interesting.

But when people cry each time on forums ehen something interesting appear - remove it, the only tactick in pvp will be put tons of hots on you and kill with 3 buttons combo.

It is no fun in it, so it is not strange that PVP is like it is.

If 10 players do not understand game basics and play such bad, than even by just standing they would provide more help - why they have to kill player who knows how the game work the same time ?

Jeremy

Eliran wrote: »

I honestly gave up the moment I saw an entire army of 10+ people trying to take down 1 guy but cant because he is immortal, killing them 1 by 1.

I am sorry if I hurt anyone feelings, but that is 100% not skill but abuse of broken mechanics

That's ZoS even remotely allow this broken stuff to happen, already prove how neglected the PVP scene is, I've never had such a bad PVP experience in my life and I've played hundreds of PVP games in my gaming life.

This is simply a whole new level of imbalance, its exactly the same as playing Diablo 3 and going from zero to hero the moment you finish your set items, there its PVE, here its PVP.

It was probably the emperor or something. Only way I can see this as possible, unless that army of 10 were... I'll put it gently... and say less than good.

Jeremy

KovalskyNestor wrote: »

If pressing one ability to self heal after absorbing every attack from 10 people and going from 15% in 100% health in a second is called "SKILL" then I don't know what to think anymore.

Just CC him and burst him dead. With 10 people that amount of burst damage should obliterate him.

AuraStorm43

Jeremy wrote: »

KovalskyNestor wrote: »

If pressing one ability to self heal after absorbing every attack from 10 people and going from 15% in 100% health in a second is called "SKILL" then I don't know what to think anymore.

Just CC him and burst him dead. With 10 people that amount of burst damage should obliterate him.

If you’ve been in cyrodil for any length of time you learn to ignore them, they don’t do any dps so you leave them until everyone else is dead and the keep flips

Most heals are magicka based so popping a negate on them after wacking them does the trick

TheRealCherokeee3

Eliran wrote: »

I honestly gave up the moment I saw an entire army of 10+ people trying to take down 1 guy but cant because he is immortal, killing them 1 by 1.

I am sorry if I hurt anyone feelings, but that is 100% not skill but abuse of broken mechanics

That's ZoS even remotely allow this broken stuff to happen, already prove how neglected the PVP scene is, I've never had such a bad PVP experience in my life and I've played hundreds of PVP games in my gaming life.

This is simply a whole new level of imbalance, its exactly the same as playing Diablo 3 and going from zero to hero the moment you finish your set items, there its PVE, here its PVP.

I will say years ago there was more a semblance of balance. A high damage dealer versus a very tanky player (both experienced) would often result in a draw. But the term used time and time again over the past few years, “power creep” changed this dynamic and we began to see the rise in the tank meta. That said, none of this is black and white. Plenty of ways to combat it and still have variety. It more so takes alot of time experience and familiarity. I’d imagine that tank took on a hodgepodge of pvers, semi experienced pvpers and a few “either im gonna die or you will” types and eventually wiped them. This isnt PvE where not defeating a boss keeps you from moving to the next thing. Likewise if my guild sees a typical “rockrunner” troll tank, we might whack on them for a min but if they dont die by then we laugh and carry on. Its not quite as much about combat in pvp as it is strategy overall…unless your looking to gain views as a 1vx streamer. Otherwise you kill who you can, and if you cross a grief tank you eyeroll them and move on.

Drammanoth

If people who, after collecting specific sets and having skills ion PvP, are getting accused of abusing the game mechanics, why not do the same? Guess then it will not be 'abusing' any more, eh?

Cyro differs from WoW areas in that in Cyrodiil you *know* (or at the very least OUGHT to know) that you can get killed, or zegred.

If one did his / her lesson and gives me thrashing, it's because 1) my gear sucks, 2) I suck at PvP. And it is true when it comes to me. I suck at PvP, but I don't whine because someone was better skill-wise and gear-wise.

Nerhesi

1vX is an indication of how terrible balance is - it doesnt matter how skilled you are, as the OP said, you should not be able to survive perhaps 3 or more. 1vXing is a measure of how non-existant CC, with meaningless class identity, and terrain-humping result in a game that is basically counterstrike but your health resets every 4 seconds.

So every 4 seconds, that "skilled player" is running is macro to blow you up, while then resetting out of LoS.

Streamers and loud minority (as with many games recently) have been mostly negatively influencing pvp in this game through feedback and criticism. Whether it was attempted changes to weaving, 1vXing and such - and it is all done under the guise of "don't take away skill" - which is laughable. Unfortunately, like many games, they're concerned with upsetting the current niche minority rather than perhaps attracting more players and shedding the reputation that this game has the worst combat of almost any live MMO today.

I say this, as a sweaty dueling, ganking, BGing PvPer.

etchedpixels

BlossomDead wrote: »

+100.

This is the daily experience in Cyrodiil. And ball groups that vacuum the earth. Try to get your scroll back from those while running at full speed and heal stacking while leveling you out using Dark Convergence. If the lag doesn't kill you first of course.

Dark Convergence doesn't work in no-CP, and the whole experience in no-cp is much more pleasant, less laggy (but still needs the new servers and something doing badly). It's also a lot more newb friendly.

Still not a patch on minecraft. There it's all skill, you can have a load of players at once and it doesn't lag. Just sayin