Where is the auction house?

Anotherone773 · January 2021

Raideen wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

For some reason ZOS thought it was important to limit the amount of people who can sell through a guild trader to 98,500.

There are 197 Guild Traders in game with 500 member slots each.
197x500=98500 Guild Trader player slots available

except that everyone can be in 5 guilds. I am in 5 trade guilds, so I take 5 of those slots, or 4 extra.

If everyone in game who did trading had 5 trade guilds there would only be 19,700 people trading at guild traders. Of course not everyone has 5 guild traders, but many do have 3. Which would then limit the amount of individual players who are using guild traders to 32,833.

I often see it promoted that this game is super healthy, making tons of money and has a player base of about 3 million. Divide that 3 million by 4 for PCNA, PCEU, XBOX, and PS and you have 750,000 players per server type on average. This means that roughly 700,000 people will not be allowed to trade at guild traders.

My question is, why limit the amount of people who can buy and sell through guild traders? Why not have a central auction house so the entire player base has a fair chance of selling stuff.

Makes more sense to me.

I see trade guilds looking for members all the time in zone chat so your argument really doesn't hold water. I would like to see the number of traders increased though. I think they should add another trader in all the locations that have only one trader. That would make it more worth while to visit the out of the way places.

My argument is not an argument, its numbers and numbers are facts...but if the numbers are not adding up, then the numbers are wrong.

I agree that Guild traders are looking for members ALL THE TIME, even the most desired trader kiosks.

So what does that mean? Well that can mean two things.

1. Most people do not care to make money in game (which seems out of place in an MMO) as evidence of 90%+ of the player base not being in a trade guild as of them do not need a guild trader.
2. The population is NO WHERE NEAR what is claimed. Ergo the health of the game is NO WHERE NEAR what is claimed.

3. In order to maintain top locations trade guilds routinely purge members( and they do)
4. Some guilds have ridiculous requirements compared to the competition which means their ranks go unfilled. The G/Ls just dont know how to run a trade guild properly.

#1 is mostly correct. Most people only care about making enough in a game to buy what they need and that varies from very little to a lot. There are multiple sources of making money in ESO that dont require a guild trader. One of those pays exceptionally well for the effort involved.
#2 depends on the claim. ESO has grown every year since launch with 2020 being the best year thus far. At the time of this post it is pushing on 29k players online on Steam. Which isn't even all of a single platform. Id say at least 50% of players on PC don't play on Steam. For reference in Dec 2019 max peak for the month was 23.7k players. Dec 2018 was 19.8k, etc.
#3 and #4 are correct.

PizzaCat82 · January 2021

JKorr wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Eedat wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Eedat wrote: »

People who don't want to put any effort into an aspect of the game demand that it be catered to them.

Whereas I've never seen trading/etc to be an "aspect of the game" to be "catered to" (like those wheeler-dealers who keep demanding that everything be made BoE, because they don't already have enough things to profit off of), but rather a basic game system, like chat or travel. Do games with central AH's have something for the "I wanna play Fantasy Market Mogul 2020" crowd? Sure. Meanwhile, your position seems to be that the economy should be built for/around those people, as an "aspect of the game" for them.

Question - what does the person who randomly wants to sell 0-5 items a week do in this game? And 'yell in chat' is a useless answer.

Eedat wrote: »

Besides, how is 5k a week not casual friendly? You can farm over 100k in a single hour picking mats off ground in craglorn without getting a single potent nirn. Thats almost half a year of dues in a single hour of terrible luck farming in crag.

If all you're trying to sell is less than 5k worth of stuff (or, rather, "5k + the vendor cost of the stuff")? Having to pay to do so isn't the best.

(seriously, that's how I've used AH's in many other games. I either think 'huh, that item might be worth something, it'd be nice to get more than it's vendor cost" or "oh, someone might have a use for this." I go to the AH, search to see if it actually has value, and then throw it on there with a small undercut so it'll move within an hour or two. I get a small amount of gold, but it's more than if I just vendored the thing, so it's a success.

I don't run around farming specific things to keep my trades slots stocked, to keep a steady cashflow, and maximize my profit™. That sounds like work. And isn't what I'm interested in - in those games I've spent less than a couple minutes a week 'selling'. I do plenty of buying, though - because you can search the AH for the things you're looking for and find the best price. Which, again, only takes a few minutes a week.)

If you dont want to make money one particular way, then just dont. Nothing is forcing you. It is not a requirement to get into a good trade guild. If you want to sell less than 5k gold, you dont even need a prime trade guild to begin with. Do you know how easy it is to make 5k gold? Do crafting writs one day on a single character. That's it lol. But even if you did, you can still get into trade guilds in top tier locations with no requirements.

Here is the listing for a guild I'm in that's in Vivec, which is tied with Mournhold for highest volume locations in the game

Literally zero dues or fees or minimums.

Like how casual friendly does this need to get? Do you need access to the absolute best guild traders by logging in once every two months to sell 1k worth of stuff before it's considered casual friendly or what?

More casual friendly.

1. Let everyone sell stuff, no matter how often they log on. Maybe make an account level requirement (like 10) so that extremely new players will have to play the game a little first.
2. Let everyone have a built in TTC, no matter what system they play on.
3. Player-run trading systems is inherently bad because it relies on the whims of guild masters, which while mostly good, can also be very very toxic.
4. The current system pits players against each other just for the privilege of trading. While this may be fun for some, by its very nature it is not fun for all. For players to "win", many others must lose.

The current system is not all magical fairy trading dust like some forum posters would have you believe. Its just that they benefit from it the most.

No built in ttc, please. Since it shows what items are listed for, it can and has been manipulated and abused.

Know the thing about toxic guild masters? There is not a single way they can keep guild members from saying "Yah, no, I'm out of here." There are no legally binding "you are never allowed to quit this guild" documents players have to sign. If someone puts up with toxic guild masters and guild officers when they can leave, then the issue is with them, not the toxic people.

Exactly how, when there are so many guilds with open slots, is it some kind of competition where some win and some lose? If you want to trade, find a guild with openings. As seen above, there is more than a single guild out there. How am I being "pitted against" other players if I want to do some trading? There isn't a system of elimination where, if you "lose", you'll never be allowed to join any guild, ever, for as long as you play the game. I've been here since beta, and there have never been any ZOS-official restrictions or contests [official or otherwise] for joining any guild. The battlegrounds are battlegrounds, not "eliminate the competition" matches for joining guilds. There is no competition about pricing either; no one can demand you sell your items for X amount. If that happens, see the line about toxic guild masters.

1. Toxic guilds can do a ton of damage when their players spend years of time and effort to help them work to become a top trading guild and then have the guild leadership quit do to harassment from other trading guilds. You need to pull your head out from your PC-NA paradise where no one charges dues and no one requires anything and realize that we have 20K weekly dues and some serious backstabbing not even a year ago on consoles. Nothing like a friendly player wanting some small access to invite some friends and then kicking your entire 500 person roster because the other guild leader thought it'd be funny. Nothing like putting in millions every other week in donations and have that amount to $0 and a "good luck, find another guild"

People can be absolutely horrible, especially when they can't put a face to the name they're playing with. You think Toxic guilds don't do damage? Why don't you ask all the people who quit this game for good because of that BS.

2. There's no TTC and no price checker bot so if you want your goods to sell, and sell for a decent profit,there's really only 5 or 6 major hubs, and really only the big 3 as far as decent sales. Console players don't want to run all over the map to buy stuff. Hell, no one does.

Khajiitihaswares · January 2021

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Eedat wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Eedat wrote: »

People who don't want to put any effort into an aspect of the game demand that it be catered to them.

Whereas I've never seen trading/etc to be an "aspect of the game" to be "catered to" (like those wheeler-dealers who keep demanding that everything be made BoE, because they don't already have enough things to profit off of), but rather a basic game system, like chat or travel. Do games with central AH's have something for the "I wanna play Fantasy Market Mogul 2020" crowd? Sure. Meanwhile, your position seems to be that the economy should be built for/around those people, as an "aspect of the game" for them.

Question - what does the person who randomly wants to sell 0-5 items a week do in this game? And 'yell in chat' is a useless answer.

Eedat wrote: »

Besides, how is 5k a week not casual friendly? You can farm over 100k in a single hour picking mats off ground in craglorn without getting a single potent nirn. Thats almost half a year of dues in a single hour of terrible luck farming in crag.

If all you're trying to sell is less than 5k worth of stuff (or, rather, "5k + the vendor cost of the stuff")? Having to pay to do so isn't the best.

(seriously, that's how I've used AH's in many other games. I either think 'huh, that item might be worth something, it'd be nice to get more than it's vendor cost" or "oh, someone might have a use for this." I go to the AH, search to see if it actually has value, and then throw it on there with a small undercut so it'll move within an hour or two. I get a small amount of gold, but it's more than if I just vendored the thing, so it's a success.

I don't run around farming specific things to keep my trades slots stocked, to keep a steady cashflow, and maximize my profit™. That sounds like work. And isn't what I'm interested in - in those games I've spent less than a couple minutes a week 'selling'. I do plenty of buying, though - because you can search the AH for the things you're looking for and find the best price. Which, again, only takes a few minutes a week.)

If you dont want to make money one particular way, then just dont. Nothing is forcing you. It is not a requirement to get into a good trade guild. If you want to sell less than 5k gold, you dont even need a prime trade guild to begin with. Do you know how easy it is to make 5k gold? Do crafting writs one day on a single character. That's it lol. But even if you did, you can still get into trade guilds in top tier locations with no requirements.

Here is the listing for a guild I'm in that's in Vivec, which is tied with Mournhold for highest volume locations in the game

Literally zero dues or fees or minimums.

Like how casual friendly does this need to get? Do you need access to the absolute best guild traders by logging in once every two months to sell 1k worth of stuff before it's considered casual friendly or what?

More casual friendly.

1. Let everyone sell stuff, no matter how often they log on. Maybe make an account level requirement (like 10) so that extremely new players will have to play the game a little first.
2. Let everyone have a built in TTC, no matter what system they play on.
3. Player-run trading systems is inherently bad because it relies on the whims of guild masters, which while mostly good, can also be very very toxic.
4. The current system pits players against each other just for the privilege of trading. While this may be fun for some, by its very nature it is not fun for all. For players to "win", many others must lose.

The current system is not all magical fairy trading dust like some forum posters would have you believe. Its just that they benefit from it the most.

No built in ttc, please. Since it shows what items are listed for, it can and has been manipulated and abused.

Know the thing about toxic guild masters? There is not a single way they can keep guild members from saying "Yah, no, I'm out of here." There are no legally binding "you are never allowed to quit this guild" documents players have to sign. If someone puts up with toxic guild masters and guild officers when they can leave, then the issue is with them, not the toxic people.

Exactly how, when there are so many guilds with open slots, is it some kind of competition where some win and some lose? If you want to trade, find a guild with openings. As seen above, there is more than a single guild out there. How am I being "pitted against" other players if I want to do some trading? There isn't a system of elimination where, if you "lose", you'll never be allowed to join any guild, ever, for as long as you play the game. I've been here since beta, and there have never been any ZOS-official restrictions or contests [official or otherwise] for joining any guild. The battlegrounds are battlegrounds, not "eliminate the competition" matches for joining guilds. There is no competition about pricing either; no one can demand you sell your items for X amount. If that happens, see the line about toxic guild masters.

1. Toxic guilds can do a ton of damage when their players spend years of time and effort to help them work to become a top trading guild and then have the guild leadership quit do to harassment from other trading guilds. You need to pull your head out from your PC-NA paradise where no one charges dues and no one requires anything and realize that we have 20K weekly dues and some serious backstabbing not even a year ago on consoles. Nothing like a friendly player wanting some small access to invite some friends and then kicking your entire 500 person roster because the other guild leader thought it'd be funny. Nothing like putting in millions every other week in donations and have that amount to $0 and a "good luck, find another guild"

People can be absolutely horrible, especially when they can't put a face to the name they're playing with. You think Toxic guilds don't do damage? Why don't you ask all the people who quit this game for good because of that BS.

2. There's no TTC and no price checker bot so if you want your goods to sell, and sell for a decent profit,there's really only 5 or 6 major hubs, and really only the big 3 as far as decent sales. Console players don't want to run all over the map to buy stuff. Hell, no one does.

I have not experienced that yet... But I have heard of a few that have. This is kinda sad to hear

... Sadly mean people will ruin things for others...

With way each side gets mad seems to me wouldn't having both systems in game a AH and Trader be the way to go? This way the player base Chooses what they want?

AlnilamE · January 2021

Raideen wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

"There is nothing wrong with the system as it is."

Anyone who says that, if you honestly believe it then why are you having to resort to TTC and MM to help you use "the system as it is" in a useful way?

"The game has a healthy economy."

Translation: The game's economy is healthy for traders, but not necessarily for end-use buyers (meaning buyers who actually use the purchased goods for themselves instead of flipping them to make a profit or using them to craft goods for sale). But who cares about end-use buyers, right?

I don't use TTC and I would not shed a tear if it was completely disabled.

MM keeps track of sales you can see in your own guild history and the prices it shows you will depend on which guilds you are a part of.

But if someone took your MM away, what would you do then?

MM and TTC should be banned or bake them into the game so that console players can take advantage of what the addon/website do for PC.

Both addons dismantle the developer vision of what the Guild Trader system was intended to be.

I think the biggest problem with removing MM would be that GMs would not be able to easily track how much people sell.

Losing the data of how much you personally sell would be less important.

I'm not opposed to MM being part of the game in that it shows what sells in the five guilds you are a part of. You could spend your days looking at the guild history and tracking that manually if you wanted to waste a lot of time.

So it shows you the data that applies most directly to you and your guilds, not the entire game. Which is why sometimes the averages are very different when you get price checks. It regionalizes the data a bit. It doesn't give you averages across the whole game.

But even then, I would not miss it that much if the price average function was removed and only the sales totals were included in the UI.

I know what I'm willing to pay for stuff and MM just gives me a notion of whether I'll be able to find stuff at that price or if I'll have to go farm the item myself.

idk · January 2021

erio wrote: »

the guild merchant system while inconvenient at times, allows for trade guilds. I perfer it to the bots that buy everything in .0002 seconds after an item is posted in other games

I agree. Since the beginning of the trade guild system, I have preferred it over the central kiosk designs found in other games.

Taggund · January 2021

I'm mostly fine with the guild traders when selling stuff. Currently in 3 trade guilds, and fill them up after my weekly survey runs. I do wish they could have more than 30 spaces for items, as it limits my putting up low gold items that would still be useful to players.

I hate and despise the lack of an auction house when trying to buy something. I first check my guilds, and then use TTC to help search, but it's hit or miss for if an item listed on TTC is still there. Just last night I wasted an hour hunting for a diagram, and never finding it (except at a really high price). One listing had been on TTC for just 9 minutes, and was gone by the time I got there.

In general, the hours wasted in finding things is not a fun part of playing this game, and a central function listing all items being sold, even if it still required going to the trader, would be a welcomed addition. (Getting it emailed, for a gold fee or not, would be preferrable though.)

iksde · January 2021

AlnilamE wrote: »

I think the biggest problem with removing MM would be that GMs would not be able to easily track how much people sell.

Losing the data of how much you personally sell would be less important.

and then for sure in every bigger guild would be forced donating into bank just for sure everyone have meet weakly "tax" for guild trader or people selling expensive things/many of them gainng big amount of gold per week would be forced to screenshot their sells just to escape of this additional forced tax

Taleof2Cities · January 2021

iksde wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

I think the biggest problem with removing MM would be that GMs would not be able to easily track how much people sell.

Losing the data of how much you personally sell would be less important.

and then for sure in every bigger guild would be forced donating into bank just for sure everyone have meet weakly "tax" for guild trader or people selling expensive things/many of them gainng big amount of gold per week would be forced to screenshot their sells just to escape of this additional forced tax

The well-run trading guilds don't have dues, "forced donating", weekly tax quotas, or whatever else you can conjure up, @iksde.

Are you sure you and I are playing the same game?

Have you ever been a part of any non-casual (focused) trading guild??

kargen27 · January 2021

Raideen wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

For some reason ZOS thought it was important to limit the amount of people who can sell through a guild trader to 98,500.

There are 197 Guild Traders in game with 500 member slots each.
197x500=98500 Guild Trader player slots available

except that everyone can be in 5 guilds. I am in 5 trade guilds, so I take 5 of those slots, or 4 extra.

If everyone in game who did trading had 5 trade guilds there would only be 19,700 people trading at guild traders. Of course not everyone has 5 guild traders, but many do have 3. Which would then limit the amount of individual players who are using guild traders to 32,833.

I often see it promoted that this game is super healthy, making tons of money and has a player base of about 3 million. Divide that 3 million by 4 for PCNA, PCEU, XBOX, and PS and you have 750,000 players per server type on average. This means that roughly 700,000 people will not be allowed to trade at guild traders.

My question is, why limit the amount of people who can buy and sell through guild traders? Why not have a central auction house so the entire player base has a fair chance of selling stuff.

Makes more sense to me.

I see trade guilds looking for members all the time in zone chat so your argument really doesn't hold water. I would like to see the number of traders increased though. I think they should add another trader in all the locations that have only one trader. That would make it more worth while to visit the out of the way places.

My argument is not an argument, its numbers and numbers are facts...but if the numbers are not adding up, then the numbers are wrong.

I agree that Guild traders are looking for members ALL THE TIME, even the most desired trader kiosks.

So what does that mean? Well that can mean two things.

1. Most people do not care to make money in game (which seems out of place in an MMO) as evidence of 90%+ of the player base not being in a trade guild as of them do not need a guild trader.
2. The population is NO WHERE NEAR what is claimed. Ergo the health of the game is NO WHERE NEAR what is claimed.

Your numbers may well be facts but the facts do not support your previous claim. To your more recent claims.

1. Doesn't matter if all players are not interested in making gold. They have the opportunity if they wish. All it takes is joining a guild and joining a trade guild takes maybe two minutes. Same as running vet trials. Not everybody wants to run vet trials. Those that do will join a guild that runs vet trials. PvP same thing. Trading for a lot of players is their end game activity. With so many trade guilds advertising for members I think it is safe to say those players that want to participate can.

2. Failure to participate in one aspect of the game in no way represents the number of players actively in the game. Saying open membership in trade guilds is a reflection of the population of the game is akin to saying the game is suffering a lack of players because you were queued for thirty minutes on your DPS for Vet Frostvault before finally getting a group.

renne · January 2021

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Kalik_Gold wrote: »

I’m on console, I start in Alikr and only go to the 5-7 guild spots near wayshrines and port to each map. I know each zone has a single or 2 more traders in out of the way towns or in the thieves den but I’m not going there. Half way thru the zone list, I figure out what the prices average for the items I’m looking for then either circle back for a cheap items I’m looking for or continue on til I’m done shopping all zones. This is time consuming.

I honestly miss the bazaar system in EQ or the tunnel live shouting system. I don’t miss Wow central auction house.

They do need to throw consoles a bone. It isn't ZOS that wont allow addons on consoles. It is Sony and Microsoft. They have control issues.

Honestly, with this game it's not even Sony or MS that are the problem. There are so many basic, BASIC quality of life "you know there's an addon for that" things on PC that should be a part of the base game.

It's ZoS. It's always been ZoS.

iksde · January 2021

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

iksde wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

I think the biggest problem with removing MM would be that GMs would not be able to easily track how much people sell.

Losing the data of how much you personally sell would be less important.

and then for sure in every bigger guild would be forced donating into bank just for sure everyone have meet weakly "tax" for guild trader or people selling expensive things/many of them gainng big amount of gold per week would be forced to screenshot their sells just to escape of this additional forced tax

The well-run trading guilds don't have dues, "forced donating", weekly tax quotas, or whatever else you can conjure up, @iksde.

Are you sure you and I are playing the same game?

Have you ever been a part of any non-casual (focused) trading guild??

can you please atleast take a look for what I was replying to?

I think the biggest problem with removing MM would be that GMs would not be able to easily track how much people sell.

yea are right with well-run guild dont have forced dues for donation but it all could change if they would be deprived of data from addons about how much worth sales had members of these guild who already some time ago raised minimum weakly sales from 50k to100k+, from 100k to even 300k depending on guild as for sweet top spots

when they had minimum for 100k sales or 10k donation if you didnt meet sales reqs but alter their acknowledgem more as for their minimu 100k sales is just 3.5k into guild bank....so not even half of full donation so they raised their minimum sales to be on par with weakly donation at minimum

so I wont be surprised if they would apply basic tax of being in guild at all if they would lose access to monitor sales of members if they meet weakly minimum or not

Anotherone773 · January 2021

renne wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Kalik_Gold wrote: »

I’m on console, I start in Alikr and only go to the 5-7 guild spots near wayshrines and port to each map. I know each zone has a single or 2 more traders in out of the way towns or in the thieves den but I’m not going there. Half way thru the zone list, I figure out what the prices average for the items I’m looking for then either circle back for a cheap items I’m looking for or continue on til I’m done shopping all zones. This is time consuming.

I honestly miss the bazaar system in EQ or the tunnel live shouting system. I don’t miss Wow central auction house.

They do need to throw consoles a bone. It isn't ZOS that wont allow addons on consoles. It is Sony and Microsoft. They have control issues.

Honestly, with this game it's not even Sony or MS that are the problem. There are so many basic, BASIC quality of life "you know there's an addon for that" things on PC that should be a part of the base game.

It's ZoS. It's always been ZoS.

They had to strip the game down to make it lighter so it would fit inside the requirements for Sony and MS licensing. It was either make the UI lighter or take some stuff out of the game to make it lighter.

On PC the developer can set their requirements. On console they have to fit it inside a tiny little box of requirements.

Hotdog_23 · January 2021

Read all the arguments for and against an Auction house. Don’t really care.

All I know is that if I am looking for something, I am not running around checking more 200 trading spots in the game. I go to the 4 main hubs and Mournhold, Elden Root, Wayrest and Vivec city.

Wish there was a central listing house we could check and find out where the items for sale are at and the price. I don’t mind then visiting the seller directly but checking over 200 traders individually is not happening on console. Just takes to much time to check each one much less remember what they have and what the asking price is. Think of all the loading screens. Then using a pen and paper to record what you find and hope by the end you are still looking for the same thing and not get sidetracked.

Oh, wait is a good price for “X item” but wait did I not see it cheaper somewhere else, check notes, Damn I did not write that one down. Do I go back and check it all again? Now where was it at? Oh, wait that looks good too…maybe? Didn’t I see it cheaper also, check papers note, SOB again really. I need to take better notes, maybe take a picture with my phone would be better. Maybe I will get to play the actual game today because just playing pen and paper spreadsheet/cellphone looking at the tv occasionally now. I need to write that one down too, it looks good also, might come back and buy it later. Who needs a better way to buy and sale in ESO? God this is so much fun. Feel sorry for the PC chaps who use add-ons. They just don’t know the fun and challenge they are missing out on. Poor fellows. Maybe I should go to the forums and tell them.

In short only a few thousand players get to be in on the real selling game on console due to the lack of a central trading house. You just don’t see a lot of players at any of the other trading spots outside of the 4 major hubs.

My 2 cents, stay safe and have fun

preevious · January 2021

hooo a global AH thread in disguise ! I'm feeling all giddy !

Serioulsy, there's no global AH, and there will -hopefully'- never be.
This system is fine, spots are freeing all the time, anyone can try.
If you don't want to join a guild, and to try and make sale, sell your stuff directly to players, but accept a price cut.

iksde · January 2021

preevious wrote: »

hooo a global AH thread in disguise ! I'm feeling all giddy !

Serioulsy, there's no global AH, and there will -hopefully'- never be.
This system is fine, spots are freeing all the time, anyone can try.
If you don't want to join a guild, and to try and make sale, sell your stuff directly to players, but accept a price cut.

people already are forced to accept price cut by just no being in top spot guilds

OmenRIP · January 2021

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Kalik_Gold wrote: »

I’m on console, I start in Alikr and only go to the 5-7 guild spots near wayshrines and port to each map. I know each zone has a single or 2 more traders in out of the way towns or in the thieves den but I’m not going there. Half way thru the zone list, I figure out what the prices average for the items I’m looking for then either circle back for a cheap items I’m looking for or continue on til I’m done shopping all zones. This is time consuming.

I honestly miss the bazaar system in EQ or the tunnel live shouting system. I don’t miss Wow central auction house.

They do need to throw consoles a bone. It isn't ZOS that wont allow addons on consoles. It is Sony and Microsoft. They have control issues.

You must mean for online games. Sony allowed mucho mods for Skyrim. My bet is that it’s a low-to-no priority for ZOS to add the addon hooks to PS4/Xbox.

Khajiitihaswares · January 2021

OmenRIP wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Kalik_Gold wrote: »

I’m on console, I start in Alikr and only go to the 5-7 guild spots near wayshrines and port to each map. I know each zone has a single or 2 more traders in out of the way towns or in the thieves den but I’m not going there. Half way thru the zone list, I figure out what the prices average for the items I’m looking for then either circle back for a cheap items I’m looking for or continue on til I’m done shopping all zones. This is time consuming.

I honestly miss the bazaar system in EQ or the tunnel live shouting system. I don’t miss Wow central auction house.

They do need to throw consoles a bone. It isn't ZOS that wont allow addons on consoles. It is Sony and Microsoft. They have control issues.

You must mean for online games. Sony allowed mucho mods for Skyrim. My bet is that it’s a low-to-no priority for ZOS to add the addon hooks to PS4/Xbox.

Yeah I do not think ZoS has any plans to add addons to ESO on the ps and Xbox side. Those platforms might be the milking phase and might be trying get as much out of them before shutting their servers down.

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TwinLamps · January 2021

I saw one in wow

Khajiitihaswares · January 2021

TwinLamps wrote: »

I saw one in wow

Yeah seen them in Gw2; WoW; swtor; rift, final fanstay.

There doesn’t need be central AH heck even placing billboard that lets you browse all the guild traders would work since most peeps use TTC already. That would also help console players as well.

Anotherone773 · January 2021

OmenRIP wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Kalik_Gold wrote: »

I’m on console, I start in Alikr and only go to the 5-7 guild spots near wayshrines and port to each map. I know each zone has a single or 2 more traders in out of the way towns or in the thieves den but I’m not going there. Half way thru the zone list, I figure out what the prices average for the items I’m looking for then either circle back for a cheap items I’m looking for or continue on til I’m done shopping all zones. This is time consuming.

I honestly miss the bazaar system in EQ or the tunnel live shouting system. I don’t miss Wow central auction house.

They do need to throw consoles a bone. It isn't ZOS that wont allow addons on consoles. It is Sony and Microsoft. They have control issues.

You must mean for online games. Sony allowed mucho mods for Skyrim. My bet is that it’s a low-to-no priority for ZOS to add the addon hooks to PS4/Xbox.

A mod and an addon are different programs that do different things. A mod modifies the game for the user and an addon gathers information for the user and/or provides information to the user that they normally wouldn't have at that time. Sony might allow mods but they won't allow addons.

JKorr · January 2021

Raideen wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

"There is nothing wrong with the system as it is."

Anyone who says that, if you honestly believe it then why are you having to resort to TTC and MM to help you use "the system as it is" in a useful way?

"The game has a healthy economy."

Translation: The game's economy is healthy for traders, but not necessarily for end-use buyers (meaning buyers who actually use the purchased goods for themselves instead of flipping them to make a profit or using them to craft goods for sale). But who cares about end-use buyers, right?

I don't use TTC and I would not shed a tear if it was completely disabled.

MM keeps track of sales you can see in your own guild history and the prices it shows you will depend on which guilds you are a part of.

But if someone took your MM away, what would you do then?

MM and TTC should be banned or bake them into the game so that console players can take advantage of what the addon/website do for PC.

Both addons dismantle the developer vision of what the Guild Trader system was intended to be.

Same thing I do now. Check a few guild traders, and set my own prices.

Beardimus · January 2021

The horse is dead.
So dead it's a skeleton
No amount of stamina upgrades and 'HA' shouts or whips are getting it sprinting people.

Stop flogging it.

JKorr · January 2021

iksde wrote: »

preevious wrote: »

hooo a global AH thread in disguise ! I'm feeling all giddy !

Serioulsy, there's no global AH, and there will -hopefully'- never be.
This system is fine, spots are freeing all the time, anyone can try.
If you don't want to join a guild, and to try and make sale, sell your stuff directly to players, but accept a price cut.

people already are forced to accept price cut by just no being in top spot guilds

um...no. You can list your items for whatever price you want; note some of the blue beginner motifs showing up costing over 1k. After a certain point, however, no one is going to pay ridiculous prices for items that aren't really rare.

Even if you're in a "top guild" that's in a "top spot", people aren't going to pay prices they consider to be too high. What the market will bear isn't the same as "let's play extortion". Everyone has the option to NOT buy anything.

Khajiitihaswares · January 2021

JKorr wrote: »

iksde wrote: »

preevious wrote: »

hooo a global AH thread in disguise ! I'm feeling all giddy !

Serioulsy, there's no global AH, and there will -hopefully'- never be.
This system is fine, spots are freeing all the time, anyone can try.
If you don't want to join a guild, and to try and make sale, sell your stuff directly to players, but accept a price cut.

people already are forced to accept price cut by just no being in top spot guilds

um...no. You can list your items for whatever price you want; note some of the blue beginner motifs showing up costing over 1k. After a certain point, however, no one is going to pay ridiculous prices for items that aren't really rare.

Even if you're in a "top guild" that's in a "top spot", people aren't going to pay prices they consider to be too high. What the market will bear isn't the same as "let's play extortion". Everyone has the option to NOT buy anything.

Right? TTC thankfully lets you browse the smaller traders at times have good deals when larger ones jack up price to meet their quotas lol.

iksde · January 2021

JKorr wrote: »

iksde wrote: »

preevious wrote: »

hooo a global AH thread in disguise ! I'm feeling all giddy !

Serioulsy, there's no global AH, and there will -hopefully'- never be.
This system is fine, spots are freeing all the time, anyone can try.
If you don't want to join a guild, and to try and make sale, sell your stuff directly to players, but accept a price cut.

people already are forced to accept price cut by just no being in top spot guilds

um...no. You can list your items for whatever price you want; note some of the blue beginner motifs showing up costing over 1k. After a certain point, however, no one is going to pay ridiculous prices for items that aren't really rare.

Even if you're in a "top guild" that's in a "top spot", people aren't going to pay prices they consider to be too high. What the market will bear isn't the same as "let's play extortion". Everyone has the option to NOT buy anything.

yeah no....
joined into guild in great spot, got at start good sales with great price form me - no a single lowered price item, next week this guild lost trader from elden root into solitude...after 2 weeks in solitude I left this guild because maybe only single item have sol here with these prices over so long time....joined another guilds, in elden root again and 2nd inn vivec....my sales have reanimated with still high prices for what I was selling before

and this is just single, last of my experiences with case like that

tell me again as bad spots wont force you to lower prices to get items sold

JKorr · January 2021

iksde wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

iksde wrote: »

preevious wrote: »

hooo a global AH thread in disguise ! I'm feeling all giddy !

Serioulsy, there's no global AH, and there will -hopefully'- never be.
This system is fine, spots are freeing all the time, anyone can try.
If you don't want to join a guild, and to try and make sale, sell your stuff directly to players, but accept a price cut.

people already are forced to accept price cut by just no being in top spot guilds

um...no. You can list your items for whatever price you want; note some of the blue beginner motifs showing up costing over 1k. After a certain point, however, no one is going to pay ridiculous prices for items that aren't really rare.

Even if you're in a "top guild" that's in a "top spot", people aren't going to pay prices they consider to be too high. What the market will bear isn't the same as "let's play extortion". Everyone has the option to NOT buy anything.

yeah no....
joined into guild in great spot, got at start good sales with great price form me - no a single lowered price item, next week this guild lost trader from elden root into solitude...after 2 weeks in solitude I left this guild because maybe only single item have sol here with these prices over so long time....joined another guilds, in elden root again and 2nd inn vivec....my sales have reanimated with still high prices for what I was selling before

and this is just single, last of my experiences with case like that

tell me again as bad spots wont force you to lower prices to get items sold

I never said they wouldn't. Especially if you're pricing items high to begin with. It also depends on whether people want to buy what you're selling. If no one wants those Ta runes because they already have several thousand, doesn't matter if you price them at a single gold each, they won't sell.

When a guild has a "hub" spot people tend to decide "I'll check out the traders here, and buy from the cheapest" because they don't want to spend time looking for the item elsewhere. Still, unless you're really really really desperate to find that Orcrest Agony Pale Ale recipe, you'll look around other traders before spending 100k for it. Ridiculous is ridiculous.

Khajiitihaswares · January 2021

JKorr wrote: »

iksde wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

iksde wrote: »

preevious wrote: »

hooo a global AH thread in disguise ! I'm feeling all giddy !

Serioulsy, there's no global AH, and there will -hopefully'- never be.
This system is fine, spots are freeing all the time, anyone can try.
If you don't want to join a guild, and to try and make sale, sell your stuff directly to players, but accept a price cut.

people already are forced to accept price cut by just no being in top spot guilds

um...no. You can list your items for whatever price you want; note some of the blue beginner motifs showing up costing over 1k. After a certain point, however, no one is going to pay ridiculous prices for items that aren't really rare.

Even if you're in a "top guild" that's in a "top spot", people aren't going to pay prices they consider to be too high. What the market will bear isn't the same as "let's play extortion". Everyone has the option to NOT buy anything.

yeah no....
joined into guild in great spot, got at start good sales with great price form me - no a single lowered price item, next week this guild lost trader from elden root into solitude...after 2 weeks in solitude I left this guild because maybe only single item have sol here with these prices over so long time....joined another guilds, in elden root again and 2nd inn vivec....my sales have reanimated with still high prices for what I was selling before

and this is just single, last of my experiences with case like that

tell me again as bad spots wont force you to lower prices to get items sold

I never said they wouldn't. Especially if you're pricing items high to begin with. It also depends on whether people want to buy what you're selling. If no one wants those Ta runes because they already have several thousand, doesn't matter if you price them at a single gold each, they won't sell.

When a guild has a "hub" spot people tend to decide "I'll check out the traders here, and buy from the cheapest" because they don't want to spend time looking for the item elsewhere. Still, unless you're really really really desperate to find that Orcrest Agony Pale Ale recipe, you'll look around other traders before spending 100k for it. Ridiculous is ridiculous.

Right. Then most other players trash the items because well they don't want deal with trade guilds which causes price inflation we have today. Price inflation not too big deal have plenty gold but it would help curb that.

Ratzkifal · January 2021

Khajiitihaswares wrote: »

twev wrote: »

Khajiitihaswares wrote: »

belial5221_ESO wrote: »

There is no central guildhouse,and probably never will.There is multiple guild stores run by diff guilds.To sell in them,you gotta join them.You can be in up to 5.TTC you can search them if they were scanned,but on switchover days it's chaotic.

Ah okay so TTC is the auction house then. This makes sense. At least it conslidates stuff because man this guild store system seems something out 90's Ragnorok online... but minus merchant npc's. Mmm. Central Guildstore npc would be nice if that ever happened. Would make finding one item easier instead of jumping thru world price hunting and spending most of the day on it.

Keep in mind that the easier stuff is to 'find' - the easier it is to get found by the guys spending more time looking for stuff than you do, which means sought after stuff will just be gone faster.

An auction house, or central clearing location for stuff being sold is a mixed bag, not a solution.

True but I would be able pull the item I need then sort by price then buy it from the guild that offers the better price no?

At least there is TTC X_X. Guess I can work around this system a little bit, just disappointing how time consuming it is.

That waste of time is by design, because it makes it harder for dedicated sellers to corner the market. TTC makes it easier for them of course, but the shop needs to be scanned by someone with the addon for those items to appear AND each item needs to be tracked down independantly. It might be an inconvenience, but it serves its purpose.

iksde · January 2021

JKorr wrote: »

iksde wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

iksde wrote: »

preevious wrote: »

hooo a global AH thread in disguise ! I'm feeling all giddy !

Serioulsy, there's no global AH, and there will -hopefully'- never be.
This system is fine, spots are freeing all the time, anyone can try.
If you don't want to join a guild, and to try and make sale, sell your stuff directly to players, but accept a price cut.

people already are forced to accept price cut by just no being in top spot guilds

um...no. You can list your items for whatever price you want; note some of the blue beginner motifs showing up costing over 1k. After a certain point, however, no one is going to pay ridiculous prices for items that aren't really rare.

Even if you're in a "top guild" that's in a "top spot", people aren't going to pay prices they consider to be too high. What the market will bear isn't the same as "let's play extortion". Everyone has the option to NOT buy anything.

yeah no....
joined into guild in great spot, got at start good sales with great price form me - no a single lowered price item, next week this guild lost trader from elden root into solitude...after 2 weeks in solitude I left this guild because maybe only single item have sol here with these prices over so long time....joined another guilds, in elden root again and 2nd inn vivec....my sales have reanimated with still high prices for what I was selling before

and this is just single, last of my experiences with case like that

tell me again as bad spots wont force you to lower prices to get items sold

I never said they wouldn't. Especially if you're pricing items high to begin with. It also depends on whether people want to buy what you're selling. If no one wants those Ta runes because they already have several thousand, doesn't matter if you price them at a single gold each, they won't sell.

When a guild has a "hub" spot people tend to decide "I'll check out the traders here, and buy from the cheapest" because they don't want to spend time looking for the item elsewhere. Still, unless you're really really really desperate to find that Orcrest Agony Pale Ale recipe, you'll look around other traders before spending 100k for it. Ridiculous is ridiculous.

around 2 to max 3 years ago with boredoom I was running buying literally all mats with cheap price, with price of vendor or even cheaper...just for fun and knowing my gold wont waste because I wont be at loss even when reselling later these mats to vendor, with many these mats I was finiding them even under price of vendor so with additional profit, not huge but still

I was finding these mats in almost every every guild, especially outside top spots once every 2-3 days atleast with price same or lower than to vendor

and now? I dont see so common anymore mats being listed for same price of vendor, some are still but most doesnt anymore and so even rare is to find mats with price lower than vendor

mainly because people looked at it as it is not worth for them to list for so cheap price
these years ago I was seeing dozens, hundrets of stacks cheap materials along with many expensive
now? now I see just few stack if even for vendor price with some/many expensive mats or with few overpriced

for example TA or jejota rune...I remember I was buing them for 0.25, 0.5 gold ea with stacks, few, dozens stacks for each trader, now when I see these runes they are not so much, there are jsut few stack mostly for 3gold ea, sometimes 2 but never cheaper...and again....I see only for few stack per trader if even while these yearas ago I was seeing for few to dozens stacks per trader

players stopped to look for sell cheap items in guild or even stopped to care for gathering them because of their cheap price and still not able to sell it enough fast to not just lay for days, weeks in guilds with bad spots where nobody is looking at

iksde · January 2021

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Khajiitihaswares wrote: »

twev wrote: »

Khajiitihaswares wrote: »

belial5221_ESO wrote: »

There is no central guildhouse,and probably never will.There is multiple guild stores run by diff guilds.To sell in them,you gotta join them.You can be in up to 5.TTC you can search them if they were scanned,but on switchover days it's chaotic.

Ah okay so TTC is the auction house then. This makes sense. At least it conslidates stuff because man this guild store system seems something out 90's Ragnorok online... but minus merchant npc's. Mmm. Central Guildstore npc would be nice if that ever happened. Would make finding one item easier instead of jumping thru world price hunting and spending most of the day on it.

Keep in mind that the easier stuff is to 'find' - the easier it is to get found by the guys spending more time looking for stuff than you do, which means sought after stuff will just be gone faster.

An auction house, or central clearing location for stuff being sold is a mixed bag, not a solution.

True but I would be able pull the item I need then sort by price then buy it from the guild that offers the better price no?

At least there is TTC X_X. Guess I can work around this system a little bit, just disappointing how time consuming it is.

That waste of time is by design, because it makes it harder for dedicated sellers to corner the market. TTC makes it easier for them of course, but the shop needs to be scanned by someone with the addon for those items to appear AND each item needs to be tracked down independantly. It might be an inconvenience, but it serves its purpose.

but so to waste time...making this system for dedicated traders, players......most know for most players it is need to be able to trade items with other players just to play more comfortable and efficient

so as it is to designed to waste time, to be for dedicated players to be in trading here...then for who is ESO? what players want ZOS to get?

veteran players? ofc no, over years with failed balance and performance we see ZOS doesnt care for old, vet, loyal players here
casuals? trading system is not created for casuals who jsut want to play casually instead of playing tading minigame
RP's? how many RP's actually are in games, especailly online? and for what will be literally every endgame os something a thing need for him to need it so badly he wont even have use of this?

as we know the biggest playerbases among games are vet/exp for endgame players and jsut casuals and yet ESO in its different ways doesnt cater cater for any of these 2 playerbases enough to have them for sure in stable amount