When the dungeon launched, you could taunt all 4 copies, jam yourself into the corner with the pile of coins, and the slope of the coin terrain creates line-of-sight issues that caused all four to bunch up really close together.

They later fixed this problem be eliminating the slope of the coin pile, so the terrain is now flat. WIthout LoS, the copies will only come as far as needed to get into range and will not stack up.

The solution to this is to go to one corner and then to the adjacent corner. It doesn't matter which two corners you choose, as long as the second corner is adjacent to the first. For example, you might taunt all 4 and then jam yourself into the southeast corner. Once they've gone as far as they could go, you then jam yourself into the northeast corner, and that will result in a reasonably close stack.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

The King Narilmor fight is one of the few dungeon bosses in the entire game that requires an experienced healer.

No it doesn't. What it requires is situational awareness. The damage in that fight is avoidable. Difficult to avoid, yes. But avoidable.

If you do have a healer, the healer should be healing Tharayya, not the players. The duel between Quintus and Tharayya during the fight is not just some background show. It actually has implications for the boss fight. If Tharayya is subdued by Quintus, he will debuff all of the players with two effects: Extreme Defile, reducing the healing received by players and Extreme Maim, reducing the damage output done by the players. And the only way you can help Tharayya as she battles Quintus is to keep her healed with AoE heals. There's a reason that Tharayya calls "Help me!" to the players, and there's even an achievement for never letting Quintus subdue Tharayya. These are both hints for how the mechanics of that fight works.

What makes this fight difficult is that mechanics happen on a timer. For groups with low damage, they will expend all that damage on dispatching the clones and have little or no opportunity to actually damage the boss. I've gotten this dungeon a number of times as a random vet when I queue with my tank, and I've seen groups take up to 12 minutes to kill this boss. My most recent kill of this boss, as a tank in a random group, took 10:45 minutes. And with some groups, the damage is so low that it's literally impossible to clear, since they can't even clear the clones each round.

I.e., this fight is a massive DPS check. And the difficulty scales non-linearly with damage output in the sense that having twice as much damage output makes the fight way more than twice as easy. My most recent kill of this boss with a (healerless) premade group of endgame players took a mere 45 seconds. The boss died before it could split a second time. Comparing the logs from the premade group and the random group, the premade group's damage was 3.7x higher, but the fight went 14.3x faster--this is what I mean by the difficulty scaling non-linearly with damage output. For high-damage groups, the fight is made even easier because you can safely ignore the clones. If the boss never splits more than once, then there's no need to worry about the accumulation of unkilled clones, and players can just focus damage on the real copy and ignore the clones (in which case, the tank's job is not to stack the clones, but rather to maximize debuffs on the real copy) (to identify the real copy, listen carefully to the boss's voice lines--following the direction of the audio cue will point you to the real copy).

So what's the healer's role in all this? The healer's job is to boost the group's damage, since this fight is so strongly dependent on DPS levels. Either directly by doing damage themselves (e.g., healerless 3-DD group) or indirectly by directing their heals towards Tharayya so that Quintus does not win and the group can avoid the damage loss from Extreme Maim. Either way, the DDs and tank are largely on their own. Tanks should be able to self-heal through the damage that they take. And DDs need to have the situational awareness to avoid the call lightning, meteors, and Dawnbreakers.

(For the record, I don't like the design of this fight. It's way too dependent on DPS levels and that results in a highly polarized experience. It's way too easy for endgame groups. And way too hard for everyone else.)

Every time I did this boss it was by focusing the real one only, but like Code explained, it requires good dps and the players knowing how to find the real one. Code already mentioned the audio dialog cue.

I'd also like to add that you can also find the real one using debuff icons. First splitting happen at boss HP 90% iirc. Any debuffs you put on the boss will still be visible on the real one after splitting (stuff like alkosh debuff, ele drain, minor vulnerability etc). Base game has options to display target debuff icons in top middle of your screen, addons also offer more advanced options. Just aim at the clones and see which one has all the debuff icons, that's the real one.

code65536 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

@code65536, not every player runs the dungeon as soon as it is out on PTS to nail down mechanics. Not every player runs with guildies or a pre-made group. The OP specifically is talking about PUG groups ... where there's a wide array of playstyles and not every player is going to have a "situational awareness" that you and your groups have.

You clearly have not fully read what I wrote.

My previous response was a bit terse since I was about to head out the door. But to elaborate...

• Thanks for assuming that I have no idea what the fight is like with a PUG, even though I discuss at length in my post what the fight is like with a PUG. Yes, I do often run with premade groups that breeze through in less than a minute. But I wasn't kidding when I said I've been in a group that took 12 minutes. And I've seen everything in between, though for this fight, because it's so polarizing, there isn't as much in between and instead the extremes tend to be somewhat more common.
• The incoming damage on that fight is very bursty. If you get whacked by a meteor and call lightning at the same time, I don't care if you have a healer or not, you're dead.
• Yes, healers can make it easier to survive by making some of the mistakes more forgiving. And players that don't die will do more damage than players that do die. But that doesn't mean that it "requires" a healer (to use your words). I've been in PUGs that cleared the fight with the healer lying dead on the ground for most of it.
• It's irrelevant whether you're talking about PUGs or premades, awareness is important, because no healer is going to save you if you keep standing in the meteors. And often in PUGs it takes a few pulls before the DDs learn to avoid the damage. You know... hone their awareness. And you know what? That's part of learning the fight, not something to dismiss as you just did.

LashanW wrote: »

Every time I did this boss it was by focusing the real one only, but like Code explained, it requires good dps and the players knowing how to find the real one. Code already mentioned the audio dialog cue.

I'd also like to add that you can also find the real one using debuff icons. First splitting happen at boss HP 90% iirc. Any debuffs you put on the boss will still be visible on the real one after splitting (stuff like alkosh debuff, ele drain, minor vulnerability etc). Base game has options to display target debuff icons in top middle of your screen, addons also offer more advanced options. Just aim at the clones and see which one has all the debuff icons, that's the real one.

Another way to find the real boss is to listen for his voice. When he reappears with 3 copies, only one of them speaks, and that's the real one.

This helped my pug groups a lot back when it came out. I just told the other DPS to attack only the one I was attacking. I hope this trick still works