Dracane wrote: »

How in Oblivion would you be unable to just follow that person in time? Especially when they have to kill the boss on their own.

I do not see the issue here. Just join them in running through it and all is good, or not?

Not to mention, I know for a fact the last boss in FG1 take a bit of time to despawn and lose rewards. We had a group member last night unable to loot the final boss, so they ported out, and we continued to clear the rest of the dungeon we skipped. They ported back in, and had to run back through the whole dungeon and they were able to loot the boss at the end. Took around 6 or 7 minutes from when we killed the boss.

I am cp810 on 2 servers, nevertheless find such behaviour very annoying.

Missed tickets myself, when I stayed behind the speedrunner to help the lowlevel co-players.

A dungeon is a group activity, the speedruns especially in a beginner dungeon are more or less an exploit and should be made impossible.
One simple solution could be to add a timer, so that the final boss can not be engaged before 5 or 10 minutes have passed, at least if 2 players have less than 50% of the CP of the 2 other players. In addition it could be limited to the undaunted event.


As someone wrote before, this situation has escalated since the 10 transmutation crystal reward, I don't remember it that extreme from years before.

Dracane wrote: »

How in Oblivion would you be unable to just follow that person in time? Especially when they have to kill the boss on their own.

Easy:

Gundug wrote: »

One thing I suspect people don’t understand about mob aggro is that as long as they have not been damaged by the character that set them in a combat state, they will tend to attack characters distant from them first. Meaning if an experienced player rushes through mobs quickly doing no damage as they go, the vast majority of mobs will key on the rest of the group. This means all the other players will be bogged down dealing with damage, CCs and snares as they attempt to keep up. Not everyone who queues up for a random normal dungeon is capable of soloing it, and not necessarily very experienced.

If someone rushes ahead while you're porting in or waiting to make sure everyone's at the start, that means they have a head start. They pull the mobs before the others are there.

Mag characters will have a lower stam pool so they can't sprint as long, whereas stam characters and tanks need the stam to do the deeps or to block. That means it's in most peoples' best interest not to just waste stamina. Now you're trying to sprtin to catch up, so you're not focusing on conserving your resources since you're just ruinning, and since you need to play catch-up, you're also sprinting through mobs instead of attacking them. And in addition, any of them that hit you will give you a speed debuff, so then you're even slower and are trying to sprint more to catch up, which means you're only getting hit more and going even slower. And this doesn't include if you get stuck on a rock you didn't see since there are too many mobs in the way.

So you now have a choice - do I turn around and kill the trash that I'm stuck in with my limited resources and potentially miss the boss, or do I keep pushing through and hope the healer can keep me alive until I get to the boss?

Which is again why a speedrunner needs to speak up - if everyone goes fast together, nobody gets stuck. Think about things like HRC: everyone waits at the bridge until the raid leader gallops through that first trash wave to pull the mobs to the top of the stairs. If someone is left behind, they're stuck in all of the trash and won't be able to meet up with the group.

caperb wrote: »

Ariont wrote: »

The easiest and best way to solve this issue is for everyone at the beginning ask if anyone is on the quest and if anyone is opposed to a speed run for tickets. And I would advise anyone who gets paired up with 3 level 810's to actually say something when asked.

This is usually the problem. A lot of players don't even say "hey", even when the rest of the group does.

A lot of players also don't respond when they are asked if they are doing the quest.

Even less respond when "skip x boss" is said/asked.

Not going to wait anymore on people you ask thrice but keep their mouth shut.

When on my low level toons I've never been asked if I'm doing the quest and when I have said I'm doing it in order to get people to wait and NOT rush on ahead, especially in dungeons where you have to wait to talk to the NPCs, they've ignored me completely and still just blasted through.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

My philosophy as a tank is that I should be as efficient as I can within the random group I got. If the group can't handle a big pull, and I do it anyway, then I'm making everyone else's experience worse by insisting that we do things my way even if I can solo the dungeon myself.

I do this as a mag dps and follow just fine on a mag dps. Just use a shield or self heal. Should have one. Not hard.

I don't think one should pull unless you know you can handle it. I can handle the adds by myself if I had to so I don't need a test drive first. On my new baby tank, I do the same thing. Big pulls for good dds and small ones for bad ones,
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I just always do the first mobs as a test run.

If the DDs are bad, then I know upfront what to expect. It'll be a slower run, and I'm probably okay with that - unless its a slog like CoA2 or a longer vet, and then I'm like "Oh, god, buckle in for a long run."

If the DDs are good, I cost us a few extra seconds to give myself peace of mind about whether the group can handle big pulls.

Of course, I also stop to say "hi" and usually "anyone need the quest or gear" at the beginning of dungeons, so you might get the picture that I'm really not big into rushing through at my groupmates' expense. A few seconds are worth spending to ensure everyone has a good time.

This might sound like a stupid question, but is there any reason why people use the group finder to run dungeons instead of simply walking into dungeons or using the map to travel directly to dungeons?

Note that I'm not talking about people who need to run a dungeon in a group because they can't complete the dungeon solo for whatever reason, and using the group finder is easier than trying to form a group on their own by asking their friends, guild members, or random people in zone chat.

Rather, I'm asking if there's any special benefit from using the group finder. I know about the daily bonus rewards, but that's a once-a-day thing, right? So once a player has already earned the daily bonus rewards, why wouldn't they just go to a dungeon and run it solo if all they want to do is speed-run as many dungeons as possible to grind the event rewards? Why callously or deliberately ruin other players' experience by using the group finder and then basically speed-running the dungeon solo?

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

This might sound like a stupid question, but is there any reason why people use the group finder to run dungeons instead of simply walking into dungeons or using the map to travel directly to dungeons?

Note that I'm not talking about people who need to run a dungeon in a group because they can't complete the dungeon solo for whatever reason, and using the group finder is easier than trying to form a group on their own by asking their friends, guild members, or random people in zone chat.

Rather, I'm asking if there's any special benefit from using the group finder. I know about the daily bonus rewards, but that's a once-a-day thing, right? So once a player has already earned the daily bonus rewards, why wouldn't they just go to a dungeon and run it solo if all they want to do is speed-run as many dungeons as possible to grind the event rewards? Why callously or deliberately ruin other players' experience by using the group finder and then basically speed-running the dungeon solo?

Doing a daily random normal in the group finder grants you 10 transmute crystals plus other rewards.

jaws343 wrote: »

Say it takes a player 10 minutes to solo the dungeon.

It could take 4 players 5 minutes to complete the dungeon with that solo player. So the player who can solo it is saving a lot of time by bringing in others.

Not if they're just running ahead to the necessary bosses.

Make an auto ready check for the final boss to spawn? That would work wouldn't it? Anyway, FG1 most can keep up even with someone speeding their way through ... I've stayed back to help slower / newer players and boss has always been there to loot.

Raideen wrote: »

The easiest solution is to do what WOW does. When you are in a dungeon, if you are not able to loot the boss or the boss despawns and you cant loot it, the loot shows up in the mail.

Its been a feature in that game for almost a decade now. If they can do it, I am 100% confident the talent at ZOS can as well.

Starlock wrote: »

Stealing means that something already in someone's possession is being taken from their possession. In this context, stealing event tickets would be a user hacking someone's account somehow to remove event tickets from their event currency to transfer it to their own. I thought this thread was going to be about some new hack, which would be a very serious issue. What you are describing is not "stealing."

Did you know what he meant by "stealing"? Stealing isn't always about taking someones possessions. You can steal opportunity as well.

That aside the fix for this I would like to see is no rewards if even one member of one trash mob stays alive. You don't kill everything in the dungeon (except the passive critters) then the dungeon isn't complete.

While I agree that it is an issue, locking CP160+ to vet content only is miserable. I play a stamina nightblade, for example, and even at CP 450 some of the vet DLC content is not achievable.

Also I would like to do a run or three on normal prior to tackling the additional mechanics that may come with vet level content.

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

CP810 guys running FG1 as "fake tank" for fast Undaunted reward boxes are known.
As long as they take the group with them, I am ok with it.
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Anyone choosing to stay in a group where someone runs that far ahead without kicking them out of group gets what they get. The game has given you the ability to kick bad players from group! Just do it or leave the group. If you leave the group you have the option to join a new group and get your rewards you just have to wait 15 minutes to reque. Jut don't put up with this behavior!

I feel like "Just leave the group!" is the type of advice best followed by a tank or healer who typically have a pretty fast queue after the penalty.

>.>
Look, just because I start wondering if the Groupfinder is broke if I wait in queue for more than 45 seconds on my tank, it doesn't make me spoiled, right?
<.<
It totally makes me spoiled, doesn't it.