Everyone is still raging about the movement between Rapid and Vigor and yet Rapid hasn't worked for two weeks now, and seeing as how it still isn't fixed this morning, another two weeks at least.

In fact it hasn't even been acknowledged as broken so it may be longer than that even.

I've removed it from all my bars for now for something else.

I played the PVP parts of this game on multiple characters, just to get this Skill and since Update 28 it does not work.

Behind is a good term as I think this game will be come some other games spring release.

Confirming speed is definitely bugged. When I cast rapids and sprint, I take off for a second then slow back down again.

majulook wrote: »

I played the PVP parts of this game on multiple characters, just to get this Skill and since Update 28 it does not work.

Yet another slap in the face.


Take away your skill you've earned and been enjoying for years, then force you to PvP with characters that weren't geared or CPed for it to get it back...... only to break Rapids for everybody and yet it's not even important enough to make the known issues list or be fixed in the patch.

Unbelievable!

I would bet $1k that this change is not a bug but was entirely intentional and just left out of the patch notes. It is along the same lines as reducing access to rapids. They want to slow us down, and they want to sell riding lessons. The official response on the very active "Give Us Back Rapids" thread was that ZOS was "happy with how the change was performing." So, yeah...

Zos has been very active with the dark patterns lately.

virtus753 wrote: »

ne.ga.kurai_ESO wrote: »

I have my minimap with % speed overlaid 100% of the time. Unless they broke something adding the new player position API, something is very off. I am also getting the "cannot attack..." occasionally like some of the others in the bug thread.

My base horse speed now is 175% instead of 160%
When I Sprint it is 205%
When I pop Gallop it is 205%
When I Sprint and Gallop it is 235%

My old max speed was ~260%.

Those numbers would suggest that Major Gallop is working as intended, since it adds +30% to base speed, even on top of sprint. It must be sprint that is causing most of the loss here.

Sprint on a mount used to give +65%, iirc. That missing 35% would explain most of the gap between your old ~260% and your new 235%.

Old:
160% base fully trained
65% sprint
30% major gallop
255% total (which is close to your ~260%)

New:
175% base fully trained (who knows where that +15% came from?)
30% sprint
30% major gallop
235% total

No, the speed overlay is just finally accurate. Mounts have a base speed of 115% and sprint has always given the same speed buff as major gallop 30%.

ZOS_SarahHecker wrote: »

Hey all, as mentioned in the other thread we are still working on a fix for this issue which is why it wasn't in today's patch. The known issues list does not include everything which is why it was not included there.

What makes this so funny is the 10 "Crown Lessons: Riding Speed" they are giving in the Daily Rewards this month, which might help players who need them but for those of us who have either paid gold or purchased these speed lessons from your Crown Store on multiple characters (I have 14 toons maxed out in all lessons) this is completely unacceptable. And what about the mount Stamina issues I and many are having @ZOS_SarahHecker? "Riding Stamina helps prevent being dismounted...." The same time the speed issue started, the issue of being completed stopped (mount gets CC'd) or knocked off your mount by the first attack by an enemy started, on characters with maxed out Riding Stamina!!

When will these issues be fixed? People paid real money for these lessons and to have these things taken away without a refund is like returning a defective toaster back to the store without getting a replacement or refund.

Conduit0 wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

ne.ga.kurai_ESO wrote: »

I have my minimap with % speed overlaid 100% of the time. Unless they broke something adding the new player position API, something is very off. I am also getting the "cannot attack..." occasionally like some of the others in the bug thread.

My base horse speed now is 175% instead of 160%
When I Sprint it is 205%
When I pop Gallop it is 205%
When I Sprint and Gallop it is 235%

My old max speed was ~260%.

Those numbers would suggest that Major Gallop is working as intended, since it adds +30% to base speed, even on top of sprint. It must be sprint that is causing most of the loss here.

Sprint on a mount used to give +65%, iirc. That missing 35% would explain most of the gap between your old ~260% and your new 235%.

Old:
160% base fully trained
65% sprint
30% major gallop
255% total (which is close to your ~260%)

New:
175% base fully trained (who knows where that +15% came from?)
30% sprint
30% major gallop
235% total

No, the speed overlay is just finally accurate. Mounts have a base speed of 115% and sprint has always given the same speed buff as major gallop 30%.

Ok, so base 115% + training 60% + sprint 30% + gallop 30% = 235%

But how were people then reaching higher than that with only those buffs?

ne.ga.kurai_ESO wrote: »

I have my minimap with % speed overlaid 100% of the time. Unless they broke something adding the new player position API, something is very off. I am also getting the "cannot attack..." occasionally like some of the others in the bug thread.

My base horse speed now is 175% instead of 160%
When I Sprint it is 205%
When I pop Gallop it is 205%
When I Sprint and Gallop it is 235%

My old max speed was ~260%.

Yes after playing around a bit Rapids seems to work correctly but sprint while on a horse seems to be the culprit. When I sprint on a horse with Rapids active, the % does go up to 275% for just a moment, then after 1 second it falls back down to 235%, which is only 30% higher than 205% (normal walk and Rapids). Just walking on a horse is 175%.

So for some reason the game seems to lower your horse sprint speed after 1 second of sprinting.

I think the combination of sprinting and rapids at different times can make it look like Rapids is the problem, but from my testing it is actually sprinting that's the problem.

danno8 wrote: »

I think the combination of sprinting and rapids at different times can make it look like Rapids is the problem, but from my testing it is actually sprinting that's the problem.

I wish fans could patch this game like Skyrim, like Oblivion, like Morrowind...

danno8 wrote: »

ne.ga.kurai_ESO wrote: »

I have my minimap with % speed overlaid 100% of the time. Unless they broke something adding the new player position API, something is very off. I am also getting the "cannot attack..." occasionally like some of the others in the bug thread.

My base horse speed now is 175% instead of 160%
When I Sprint it is 205%
When I pop Gallop it is 205%
When I Sprint and Gallop it is 235%

My old max speed was ~260%.

Yes after playing around a bit Rapids seems to work correctly but sprint while on a horse seems to be the culprit. When I sprint on a horse with Rapids active, the % does go up to 275% for just a moment, then after 1 second it falls back down to 235%, which is only 30% higher than 205% (normal walk and Rapids). Just walking on a horse is 175%.

So for some reason the game seems to lower your horse sprint speed after 1 second of sprinting.

I think the combination of sprinting and rapids at different times can make it look like Rapids is the problem, but from my testing it is actually sprinting that's the problem.

Has some other had an weird bug with some longer duration buffs like rapid.
I was in Cyrodil and rapid would not refresh if it was down to 5-6 seconds left, casting still used stamina but major gallop did not updater I had to wait for it to time out and then a couple of seconds.
Had the same issue with bound armament too, surge is not affected, this was on dummy before the patch.

On magplar dummy was not affected by elle drain, dummy had the visual but no breach effect showed up on it.
No noticeable dps changes with it up either on a 3M or 6M dummy tested both if bugged.
Has to test this again.

Moloch1514 wrote: »

ZOS_SarahHecker wrote: »

Hey all, as mentioned in the other thread we are still working on a fix for this issue which is why it wasn't in today's patch. The known issues list does not include everything which is why it was not included there.

Did marketing overule listing too many bugs in one place?

Well, considering that today's patch made one of the bugs even worse than before, that wouldn't be surprising.

Varana wrote: »

As of today, all bugs on that "known issues" list are supposed to be fixed on PC.

ZOS_SarahHecker wrote: »

Hey all, as mentioned in the other thread we are still working on a fix for this issue which is why it wasn't in today's patch. The known issues list does not include everything which is why it was not included there.

Therefore, translation: "The Known Issues list does not list any known issues."

You'd think this couldn't get any more embarassing, and yet.

The known bugs list in this patch is so large it can not be listed in one post because of post size limits.