Why is "Major gallop" still not fixed?

idk

ZOS_SarahHecker wrote: »

Hey all, as mentioned in the other thread we are still working on a fix for this issue which is why it wasn't in today's patch. The known issues list does not include everything which is why it was not included there.

@ZOS_SarahHecker

Why do we not have all the known issues for this update in the notice that claims to be the known issues for this update?

It is a communication tool that is not communicating very well.

Conduit0

virtus753 wrote: »

Ok, so base 115% + training 60% + sprint 30% + gallop 30% = 235%

But how were people then reaching higher than that with only those buffs?

They were not, the speed overlay was just plain wrong, it now shows the correct values, or at least it would if major expedition wasn't broken at the moment.

silvereyes

Djiku wrote: »

ZOS_SarahHecker wrote: »

Hey all, as mentioned in the other thread we are still working on a fix for this issue which is why it wasn't in today's patch. The known issues list does not include everything which is why it was not included there.

Two weeks and you "are still working on a fix"? Are you gonna make us wait another 2 weeks to tell us you still can't figure it out or are you planning to slowly hush it up over the coming weeks like so many problems this game has?

Lol, you're new here, aren't you? Two weeks is nothing in the world of ESO bugs. There have been fairly game-breaking (or at least class-breaking) bugs that lasted years, with us being lucky to receive anything more than a, "no ETA," comment.

I'm just happy that they've acknowledged the bug, that it isn't intentional, and they are actively working on a fix that will possibly be released before the next major update. Aside from a broken Crown Store or melting servers, stuff rarely gets fixed faster than that around here.

StackonClown

I understand they are also bring in Major Muppetry in the next patch - cant wait!

Uryel

Moloch1514 wrote: »

Would love to know how they broke this mechanic. ZOS sure can find ways to break things that were not touched in the patch lol

Same with how Werewolf was reset for no reason. Sure feels like they're trying to fix the plumbing in the kitchen and still, somehow, managed to set the bedroom on fire.

virtus753

Conduit0 wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Ok, so base 115% + training 60% + sprint 30% + gallop 30% = 235%

But how were people then reaching higher than that with only those buffs?

They were not, the speed overlay was just plain wrong, it now shows the correct values, or at least it would if major expedition wasn't broken at the moment.

Here’s the problem though: I do see that Gallop is making my mount go faster when I use it. I’ve timed it while running (not sprinting) on a mount, using running alone and then running + gallop, and Gallop does add speed. Other people on the forums have also timed it and posted their results. Gallop is not totally broken. It’s adding some speed, but I can’t say whether it’s adding the full 30%, as I don’t have an add-on that measures speed (and you seem to be claiming that the speed measurements are still not accurate right now anyhow, since they quote gallop as +30% but you see that as broken).

On the other hand, setting aside Gallop, sprinting is definitely not as fast as it used to be on a mount. I can also see that from running vs. sprinting on a mount without using Rapids at all. The mount is noticeably slower than it used to be.

The question (from what I can tell) is whether gallop is not adding its full speed, thus compounding the problem of sprint being slower than before. But I am confident that sprint alone was faster before this patch and that gallop is not entirely to blame.

nqvarihs

virtus753 wrote: »

Here’s the problem though: I do see that Gallop is making my mount go faster when I use it. I’ve timed it while running (not sprinting) on a mount, using running alone and then running + gallop, and Gallop does add speed. Other people on the forums have also timed it and posted their results. Gallop is not totally broken. It’s adding some speed, but I can’t say whether it’s adding the full 30%, as I don’t have an add-on that measures speed (and you seem to be claiming that the speed measurements are still not accurate right now anyhow, since they quote gallop as +30% but you see that as broken).

On the other hand, setting aside Gallop, sprinting is definitely not as fast as it used to be on a mount. I can also see that from running vs. sprinting on a mount without using Rapids at all. The mount is noticeably slower than it used to be.

The question (from what I can tell) is whether gallop is not adding its full speed, thus compounding the problem of sprint being slower than before. But I am confident that sprint alone was faster before this patch and that gallop is not entirely to blame.

speed measurements were correct and still are, and the method used has not changed, both on zos' and the addon's sides. using morphed rapids on a fully upgraded mount would give 260% speed. base 115% + 60% upgrade + 30% gallop + 30% major exp = 235%. if you add sprint (30%) you get there (+ minor exp from morphed rapids).

the issue right now is not with gallop, which seems to work correctly. however:

mounted sprint grants a 60-65% speed bonus for a few seconds and then loses it. it works normally afterwards (30% bonus and drains stamina). you need to drop sprint and wait for a few seconds to get the 60% bonus again.

another issue is with other speed bonuses, such as major and minor exp, wood elf passive, steed, etc, that straight up do not apply to mounts. im not sure about wood elf, steed & co, but i know for sure expedition used to work on mounts, and it no longer does.

Octopuss

ZOS_SarahHecker wrote: »

The known issues list does not include everything which is why it was not included there.

I can't think of any more bizarre comment related to known issues list.

Where the heck are you going, ZOS?

virtus753

nqvarihs wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Here’s the problem though: I do see that Gallop is making my mount go faster when I use it. I’ve timed it while running (not sprinting) on a mount, using running alone and then running + gallop, and Gallop does add speed. Other people on the forums have also timed it and posted their results. Gallop is not totally broken. It’s adding some speed, but I can’t say whether it’s adding the full 30%, as I don’t have an add-on that measures speed (and you seem to be claiming that the speed measurements are still not accurate right now anyhow, since they quote gallop as +30% but you see that as broken).

On the other hand, setting aside Gallop, sprinting is definitely not as fast as it used to be on a mount. I can also see that from running vs. sprinting on a mount without using Rapids at all. The mount is noticeably slower than it used to be.

The question (from what I can tell) is whether gallop is not adding its full speed, thus compounding the problem of sprint being slower than before. But I am confident that sprint alone was faster before this patch and that gallop is not entirely to blame.

speed measurements were correct and still are, and the method used has not changed, both on zos' and the addon's sides. using morphed rapids on a fully upgraded mount would give 260% speed. base 115% + 60% upgrade + 30% gallop + 30% major exp = 235%. if you add sprint (30%) you get there (+ minor exp from morphed rapids).

the issue right now is not with gallop, which seems to work correctly. however:

mounted sprint grants a 60-65% speed bonus for a few seconds and then loses it. it works normally afterwards (30% bonus and drains stamina). you need to drop sprint and wait for a few seconds to get the 60% bonus again.

another issue is with other speed bonuses, such as major and minor exp, wood elf passive, steed, etc, that straight up do not apply to mounts. im not sure about wood elf, steed & co, but i know for sure expedition used to work on mounts, and it no longer does.

Every speed calculation I’ve seen for mounted speed prior to this update did not include Major Expedition as something that affected mounted speed. As far as I was aware, Expedition only affected and affects speed on foot (“movement speed”).

I thought the point of Major Gallop was to be the mounted version of Expedition, not to stack with it.

Djiku

Maybe it's just me but it seems to me that Accelerate from the psijic line is also not working correctly. The game tells me I got Major Expedition but I don't run faster.

nqvarihs

virtus753 wrote: »

Every speed calculation I’ve seen for mounted speed prior to this update did not include Major Expedition as something that affected mounted speed. As far as I was aware, Expedition only affected and affects speed on foot (“movement speed”).

I thought the point of Major Gallop was to be the mounted version of Expedition, not to stack with it.

well before this uodate, rapids major expedition did buff your mounted speed

virtus753

nqvarihs wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Every speed calculation I’ve seen for mounted speed prior to this update did not include Major Expedition as something that affected mounted speed. As far as I was aware, Expedition only affected and affects speed on foot (“movement speed”).

I thought the point of Major Gallop was to be the mounted version of Expedition, not to stack with it.

well before this uodate, rapids major expedition did buff your mounted speed

I did not see that on my end. Is there some way to show this was the case, and that gallop and expedition were stacking?

nqvarihs

virtus753 wrote: »

I did not see that on my end. Is there some way to show this was the case, and that gallop and expedition were stacking?

i dont have anything recorded but rapids always had a short duration at the start where my mount was going faster (verified with speed addon) so i assumed it was major exp (the same way it buffs swimming speed) 🤷

Starlight_Whisper

virtus753 wrote: »

ne.ga.kurai_ESO wrote: »

I have my minimap with % speed overlaid 100% of the time. Unless they broke something adding the new player position API, something is very off. I am also getting the "cannot attack..." occasionally like some of the others in the bug thread.

My base horse speed now is 175% instead of 160%
When I Sprint it is 205%
When I pop Gallop it is 205%
When I Sprint and Gallop it is 235%

My old max speed was ~260%.

Those numbers would suggest that Major Gallop is working as intended, since it adds +30% to base speed, even on top of sprint. It must be sprint that is causing most of the loss here.

Sprint on a mount used to give +65%, iirc. That missing 35% would explain most of the gap between your old ~260% and your new 235%.

Old:
160% base fully trained
65% sprint
30% major gallop
255% total (which is close to your ~260%)

New:
175% base fully trained (who knows where that +15% came from?)
30% sprint
30% major gallop
235% total

Could be speed mundus?

virtus753

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

ne.ga.kurai_ESO wrote: »

I have my minimap with % speed overlaid 100% of the time. Unless they broke something adding the new player position API, something is very off. I am also getting the "cannot attack..." occasionally like some of the others in the bug thread.

My base horse speed now is 175% instead of 160%
When I Sprint it is 205%
When I pop Gallop it is 205%
When I Sprint and Gallop it is 235%

My old max speed was ~260%.

Those numbers would suggest that Major Gallop is working as intended, since it adds +30% to base speed, even on top of sprint. It must be sprint that is causing most of the loss here.

Sprint on a mount used to give +65%, iirc. That missing 35% would explain most of the gap between your old ~260% and your new 235%.

Old:
160% base fully trained
65% sprint
30% major gallop
255% total (which is close to your ~260%)

New:
175% base fully trained (who knows where that +15% came from?)
30% sprint
30% major gallop
235% total

Could be speed mundus?

Hm. The steed gives 10%, but as far as I’ve seen on the forums and player guides, it does not affect mounted speed at all. (Like racial bonuses or the swift trait.)

ne.ga.kurai_ESO

Conduit0 wrote: »

well before this uodate, rapids major expedition did buff your mounted speed

It most certainly did not. If Major Expo affected mounted speed you would lose it after 8seconds. I used to be able to ride with sprint and gallop at 260% for the duration.

I have a CD tracker for both Major Expo and Major Gallop, so I know when to refresh it in Cyro.