Un-emptied Treasure Chests

doomette · October 2020

daemondamian wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

The underlying problem is that when someone sees a half-emptied chest they think: if the person would have looted it all then maybe another chest would have spawned and I would be looting a full chest instead. But that is not correct. If you see a half-emptied chest then the timer is still active and another chest is still on cooldown. That half-emptied chest will disappear and a new chest will respawn when the timer is up.

Okay but it still takes time when you go to access that half looted chest & I would rather there have not been a chest at all regardless of the fact of when the next chest would have spawned anyway.

Better to have no chest than get your hopes up and waste time checking if you’re looking for something specific. Especially when it’s something you’ve been searching for for a while (e.g. a lead) and RNG hasn’t been kind.

I don’t understand why it’s a difficult concept for some 🤷‍♀️

Ackwalan · October 2020

doomette wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

The underlying problem is that when someone sees a half-emptied chest they think: if the person would have looted it all then maybe another chest would have spawned and I would be looting a full chest instead. But that is not correct. If you see a half-emptied chest then the timer is still active and another chest is still on cooldown. That half-emptied chest will disappear and a new chest will respawn when the timer is up.

Okay but it still takes time when you go to access that half looted chest & I would rather there have not been a chest at all regardless of the fact of when the next chest would have spawned anyway.

Better to have no chest than get your hopes up and waste time checking if you’re looking for something specific. Especially when it’s something you’ve been searching for for a while (e.g. a lead) and RNG hasn’t been kind.

I don’t understand why it’s a difficult concept for some 🤷‍♀️

Get used to disappointment, you don't get a trophy for showing up in 2nd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZIlAExvneo

doomette · October 2020

Ackwalan wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

The underlying problem is that when someone sees a half-emptied chest they think: if the person would have looted it all then maybe another chest would have spawned and I would be looting a full chest instead. But that is not correct. If you see a half-emptied chest then the timer is still active and another chest is still on cooldown. That half-emptied chest will disappear and a new chest will respawn when the timer is up.

Okay but it still takes time when you go to access that half looted chest & I would rather there have not been a chest at all regardless of the fact of when the next chest would have spawned anyway.

Better to have no chest than get your hopes up and waste time checking if you’re looking for something specific. Especially when it’s something you’ve been searching for for a while (e.g. a lead) and RNG hasn’t been kind.

I don’t understand why it’s a difficult concept for some 🤷‍♀️

Get used to disappointment, you don't get a trophy for showing up in 2nd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZIlAExvneo

Ooooh, aren’t you edgy or whatever.

daemondamian · October 2020

Ackwalan wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

The underlying problem is that when someone sees a half-emptied chest they think: if the person would have looted it all then maybe another chest would have spawned and I would be looting a full chest instead. But that is not correct. If you see a half-emptied chest then the timer is still active and another chest is still on cooldown. That half-emptied chest will disappear and a new chest will respawn when the timer is up.

Okay but it still takes time when you go to access that half looted chest & I would rather there have not been a chest at all regardless of the fact of when the next chest would have spawned anyway.

Better to have no chest than get your hopes up and waste time checking if you’re looking for something specific. Especially when it’s something you’ve been searching for for a while (e.g. a lead) and RNG hasn’t been kind.

I don’t understand why it’s a difficult concept for some 🤷‍♀️

Get used to disappointment, you don't get a trophy for showing up in 2nd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZIlAExvneo

So getting an unopened chest & the things you wanted from it is a race then as the player who came 1st & got the trophy 'won' & if it's a race against other players to get the resource first then each player is out to win purely looking out for themselves & whether that leaves others players disappointed & or takes up their time is irrelevant.

I assume also as it's a race where you have to come first then if you see a player fighting a mob to get to a resource it's their loss because you can just take that resource whilst they're fighting that mob or in the 1-2 seconds (or whatever it is) after combat that they can't access said chest.

Is it opposite week or something where 'selfish' doesn't mean what it usually does?

selfish
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adjective
(of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for other people; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.

Ackwalan · October 2020

daemondamian wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

The underlying problem is that when someone sees a half-emptied chest they think: if the person would have looted it all then maybe another chest would have spawned and I would be looting a full chest instead. But that is not correct. If you see a half-emptied chest then the timer is still active and another chest is still on cooldown. That half-emptied chest will disappear and a new chest will respawn when the timer is up.

Okay but it still takes time when you go to access that half looted chest & I would rather there have not been a chest at all regardless of the fact of when the next chest would have spawned anyway.

Better to have no chest than get your hopes up and waste time checking if you’re looking for something specific. Especially when it’s something you’ve been searching for for a while (e.g. a lead) and RNG hasn’t been kind.

I don’t understand why it’s a difficult concept for some 🤷‍♀️

Get used to disappointment, you don't get a trophy for showing up in 2nd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZIlAExvneo

So getting an unopened chest & the things you wanted from it is a race then as the player who came 1st & got the trophy 'won' & if it's a race against other players to get the resource first then each player is out to win purely looking out for themselves & whether that leaves others players disappointed & or takes up their time is irrelevant.

I assume also as it's a race where you have to come first then if you see a player fighting a mob to get to a resource it's their loss because you can just take that resource whilst they're fighting that mob or in the 1-2 seconds (or whatever it is) after combat that they can't access said chest.

Is it opposite week or something where 'selfish' doesn't mean what it usually does?

selfish
/ˈsɛlfɪʃ/
Learn to pronounce
adjective
(of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for other people; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.

Yes.

doomette · October 2020

How odd it is to value pixels over being considerate to others.

daemondamian · October 2020

doomette wrote: »

Better to have no chest than get your hopes up and waste time checking if you’re looking for something specific. Especially when it’s something you’ve been searching for for a while (e.g. a lead) and RNG hasn’t been kind.

I don’t understand why it’s a difficult concept for some 🤷‍♀️

Absolutely agree with you

doomette wrote: »

How odd it is to value pixels over being considerate to others.

I think these are the people that in real life would also not be considerate to others & sadly nothing can be done about them as they do whatever they want constrained only by laws, government, police or how a game is designed.

Ackwalan wrote: »

Yes.

Thanks for answering my question directly & honestly

Iselin · October 2020

I think more often than not these are players that don't have ESO+ and the crafting bag so they don't use "loot all" since inventory management is a huge PITA.

I've been playing since release and I do have ESO+ as well as the merchant and banker NPCs so loot all is my default but don't be so hasty to judge those who leave things behind as inconsiderate or trolls. Inventory management in this game has always been a problem.

Red_Feather · October 2020

Isn't it worrisome that the first two answers were wrong. It seems to be common here.

PizzaCat82 · October 2020

I don't mind finding them but back when everyone was farming them there'd be people who would purposely leave stuff in them to annoy other players so they'd leave and could have all the spawns to themselves.

starkerealm · October 2020

Red_Feather wrote: »

Isn't it worrisome that the first two answers were wrong. It seems to be common here.

Yes.

This is one of the more obnoxious myths in the game. Now, to be honest, I wouldn't mind if overland chests used the same mechanics as dungeon/trial chests. Where anyone who walks up before it expires gets a full drop. Ironically, I'd even say the same about treasure maps. Encourage people to flock to 'em, and loot them together.

But, I do agree with you. It annoys me to no end that this, particular, myth keeps going.

pod88kk · October 2020

Maybe there's some kind of underground chest farming runs to look for leads to level scrying/exchavating that people haven't yet shared with that one loud mouth in their social circle who runs it for the farmers by drawing everyone's attention to it.

On the other hand maybe that person's inventory was full and the don't have ready access to a merchant

starkerealm · October 2020

pod88kk wrote: »

Maybe there's some kind of underground chest farming runs to look for leads to level scrying/exchavating that people haven't yet shared with that one loud mouth in their social circle who runs it for the farmers by drawing everyone's attention to it.

On the other hand maybe that person's inventory was full and the don't have ready access to a merchant

Some farmers do just grab set pieces and bolt. Necropotence farmers, for example.

spartaxoxo · October 2020

daemondamian wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

It's great that opening half-looted things is a positive experience for you but it isn't necessarily for others.

Neither level (mild to high)or lack of disappointment is right or wrong; all are valid responses/feelings but it is a fact that some people/players don't care about others feelings while some do.

Okay. But the person who leaves behind the loot cannot know if the next person will be glad to get the items or would rather have nothing. So making a value judgment about them and calling them selfish, is where I think it's poor management of your disappointment.

It's not inherently selfish to leave loot behind. Some may view as leaving it behind in case someone else wants it. Some may not have anything in their bag they feel comfortable deleting to take it.

I disagree with the idea that because you personally don't like the way someone did something or felt disappointed, that the person that made you feel that way is automatically bad (e.g. selfish). Sometimes you simply have conflicting views on how a situation ought to be handled. That doesn't make them selfish.

I mean they could view you the same way. You expect me to delete things that I need just so you don't have to see trash?

You dont get the gold, experience, possibly set items that you might have wanted, & the chance for a lead.

If you're specifically looking for a lead spending a significant amount of time finding chests that have already been & left as 'used' with minor value items is very frustrating.

Surely other players must know that - if so yes it's selfish because they leave the chest there anyway - calling it an act of kindness or being considerate of other players because 'hey you didnt get the lead but at least I left you a trait stone & or glyph' is ridiculous.

I think we can only agree on one thing here which is that we disagree with each other lol - so you can continue to enjoy half-looted things & possibly half looting things yourself while I others will continue to be disappointed & find half looted things to be a negative experience that we feel reflects poorly on the person/s who half looted them

Not getting what you want is irrelevant to what the other person' mindset. I actually find the idea that the disappointed person's feelings are more valid than the people who would like the items is selfish. I also don't think that a total stranger should harm their gameplay experience so that you don't have to spend a single second of your time doing something you dislike. I find the expectation of that to be pretty selfish, personally.

Every label of selfishness about this theoretical other has been about the loot or the feelings on only the disappointed person. You don't take any consideration at all to other looters or the person who left the item behind.

And I have auto-loot set, and have a loot hoarding problem so no I don't personally leave anything behind.

Raideen · October 2020

If it does not sell for gold, its staying in the chest.

colossalvoids · October 2020

My favourite topic in /z for sure. Some people setting expectations that 5 second run to the chest would bring them mother's inferno or something is probably an issue and not the ones who occasionally leave junk behind, not everyone have gold/money to afford pocket merchant/banker and should think about holy others every minute of their solo gameplay after work.

Can't care less about stumbling on some partially looted chests, their respawn time is still the same and if couple of seconds ride is that much of a problem you definitely can use your time wisely outside of games where you doing practically nothing most of the time.

daemondamian · October 2020

spartaxoxo wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

It's great that opening half-looted things is a positive experience for you but it isn't necessarily for others.

Neither level (mild to high)or lack of disappointment is right or wrong; all are valid responses/feelings but it is a fact that some people/players don't care about others feelings while some do.

Okay. But the person who leaves behind the loot cannot know if the next person will be glad to get the items or would rather have nothing. So making a value judgment about them and calling them selfish, is where I think it's poor management of your disappointment.

It's not inherently selfish to leave loot behind. Some may view as leaving it behind in case someone else wants it. Some may not have anything in their bag they feel comfortable deleting to take it.

I disagree with the idea that because you personally don't like the way someone did something or felt disappointed, that the person that made you feel that way is automatically bad (e.g. selfish). Sometimes you simply have conflicting views on how a situation ought to be handled. That doesn't make them selfish.

I mean they could view you the same way. You expect me to delete things that I need just so you don't have to see trash?

You dont get the gold, experience, possibly set items that you might have wanted, & the chance for a lead.

If you're specifically looking for a lead spending a significant amount of time finding chests that have already been & left as 'used' with minor value items is very frustrating.

Surely other players must know that - if so yes it's selfish because they leave the chest there anyway - calling it an act of kindness or being considerate of other players because 'hey you didnt get the lead but at least I left you a trait stone & or glyph' is ridiculous.

I think we can only agree on one thing here which is that we disagree with each other lol - so you can continue to enjoy half-looted things & possibly half looting things yourself while I others will continue to be disappointed & find half looted things to be a negative experience that we feel reflects poorly on the person/s who half looted them

Not getting what you want is irrelevant to what the other person' mindset. I actually find the idea that the disappointed person's feelings are more valid than the people who would like the items is selfish. I also don't think that a total stranger should harm their gameplay experience so that you don't have to spend a single second of your time doing something you dislike. I find the expectation of that to be pretty selfish, personally.

Every label of selfishness about this theoretical other has been about the loot or the feelings on only the disappointed person. You don't take any consideration at all to other looters or the person who left the item behind.

And I have auto-loot set, and have a loot hoarding problem so no I don't personally leave anything behind.

I make a distinction between people who like to take left over items & the players who can't be bothered for whatever reason they have to take everything. The prior see leftovers in a positive context, those who leave behind stuff don't see beyond their context

I don't think the disappointed person's feelings are more valid than those that like finding leftovers - I never said that. I said or tried to convey (though obviously unsuccessfully) that the people that first opened the chest & then left behind stuff most likely frequently do so as they don't care about any other players.

So there are those who aren't bothered by it all, others who don't give a damn & others who take other people into consideration which some people aren't bothered by at all.

I'm not the only person who doesn't find it a positive experience - it bothers me but I don't see any point in this conversation anymore or having had it at all as people will do whatever they want or can get away with & then say the people who are bothered or do consider other players feelings shouldn't be and are wrong.

barney2525 · October 2020

spartaxoxo wrote: »

allhailskippy wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Nobody should care, it's not a big deal. I don't get bent when I go to loot a chest and there's nothing but trash in it.

Sounds like you may be one of those people who leave items in treasure chests then.

If so, is there anything I can say to convince you to stop? It's really quite selfish.

Why do you feel it is selfish? The next person gets items if they want them that they would not have otherwise received.

IF they want them. That's a nice qualifier. Open a chest the first time and there are items OF Your Level that maybe you can actually use, or maybe you actually want. Not caring about how your personal actions affect other people is the very definition of selfish.

IMHO

Tabbycat · October 2020

free loot. I'll take it anyway. One man's trash and all that.

PizzaCat82 · October 2020

If a chest has been opened it should despawn in 1 minute, whether you've looted it or not.

There. No more trash.

Danksta · October 2020

allhailskippy wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Nobody should care, it's not a big deal. I don't get bent when I go to loot a chest and there's nothing but trash in it.

Sounds like you may be one of those people who leave items in treasure chests then.

If so, is there anything I can say to convince you to stop? It's really quite selfish.

I am and no there's not. How exactly is it selfish? If I would've looted the whole thing you still wouldn't have gotten anything.

PizzaCat82 · October 2020

Danksta wrote: »

allhailskippy wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Nobody should care, it's not a big deal. I don't get bent when I go to loot a chest and there's nothing but trash in it.

Sounds like you may be one of those people who leave items in treasure chests then.

If so, is there anything I can say to convince you to stop? It's really quite selfish.

I am and no there's not. How exactly is it selfish? If I would've looted the whole thing you still wouldn't have gotten anything.

You waste people's time. You waste their inventory space. You dash their hopes.

allhailskippy · October 2020

Danksta wrote: »

allhailskippy wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Nobody should care, it's not a big deal. I don't get bent when I go to loot a chest and there's nothing but trash in it.

Sounds like you may be one of those people who leave items in treasure chests then.

If so, is there anything I can say to convince you to stop? It's really quite selfish.

I am and no there's not. How exactly is it selfish? If I would've looted the whole thing you still wouldn't have gotten anything.

Then there would be no treasure chest when I got there, and that would be fine.

Instead, there is one, and it's got a 0% chance of anything decent in it.

Ehym · October 2020

Pretty funny to read the mental gymnastics people play to justify what they know deep down is inconsiderate. You’ll never convince these people otherwise because to do so, they would have to admit they’re selfish and no one wants to admit that, so in comes any plethora of reasons why it isn’t selfish at all. 😸

BXR_Lonestar · October 2020

There is a special place in Coldharbour for those who don't empty chests or resource nodes.....

Danksta · October 2020

allhailskippy wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

allhailskippy wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Nobody should care, it's not a big deal. I don't get bent when I go to loot a chest and there's nothing but trash in it.

Sounds like you may be one of those people who leave items in treasure chests then.

If so, is there anything I can say to convince you to stop? It's really quite selfish.

I am and no there's not. How exactly is it selfish? If I would've looted the whole thing you still wouldn't have gotten anything.

Then there would be no treasure chest when I got there, and that would be fine.

Instead, there is one, and it's got a 0% chance of anything decent in it.

Blame ZoS for putting trash items in there then? What do I want with a green quality Rubidite Maul of Flame?

I've pulled a Briarheart 2h from a previously opened chest before. One man's trash is another man's treasure and all that..

allhailskippy · October 2020

Danksta wrote: »

allhailskippy wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

allhailskippy wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Nobody should care, it's not a big deal. I don't get bent when I go to loot a chest and there's nothing but trash in it.

Sounds like you may be one of those people who leave items in treasure chests then.

If so, is there anything I can say to convince you to stop? It's really quite selfish.

I am and no there's not. How exactly is it selfish? If I would've looted the whole thing you still wouldn't have gotten anything.

Then there would be no treasure chest when I got there, and that would be fine.

Instead, there is one, and it's got a 0% chance of anything decent in it.

Blame ZoS for putting trash items in there then? What do I want with a green quality Rubidite Maul of Flame?

I've pulled a Briarheart 2h from a previously opened chest before. One man's trash is another man's treasure and all that..

Why would I blame ZoS for your poor behaviour? At least we both agree that you're leaving trash.

Danksta · October 2020

allhailskippy wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

allhailskippy wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

allhailskippy wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Nobody should care, it's not a big deal. I don't get bent when I go to loot a chest and there's nothing but trash in it.

Sounds like you may be one of those people who leave items in treasure chests then.

If so, is there anything I can say to convince you to stop? It's really quite selfish.

I am and no there's not. How exactly is it selfish? If I would've looted the whole thing you still wouldn't have gotten anything.

Then there would be no treasure chest when I got there, and that would be fine.

Instead, there is one, and it's got a 0% chance of anything decent in it.

Blame ZoS for putting trash items in there then? What do I want with a green quality Rubidite Maul of Flame?

I've pulled a Briarheart 2h from a previously opened chest before. One man's trash is another man's treasure and all that..

Why would I blame ZoS for your poor behaviour? At least we both agree that you're leaving trash.

Of course. If it was an item worth taking then why would I leave it?

allhailskippy · October 2020

Danksta wrote: »

allhailskippy wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

allhailskippy wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

allhailskippy wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Nobody should care, it's not a big deal. I don't get bent when I go to loot a chest and there's nothing but trash in it.

Sounds like you may be one of those people who leave items in treasure chests then.

If so, is there anything I can say to convince you to stop? It's really quite selfish.

I am and no there's not. How exactly is it selfish? If I would've looted the whole thing you still wouldn't have gotten anything.

Then there would be no treasure chest when I got there, and that would be fine.

Instead, there is one, and it's got a 0% chance of anything decent in it.

Blame ZoS for putting trash items in there then? What do I want with a green quality Rubidite Maul of Flame?

I've pulled a Briarheart 2h from a previously opened chest before. One man's trash is another man's treasure and all that..

Why would I blame ZoS for your poor behaviour? At least we both agree that you're leaving trash.

Of course. If it was an item worth taking then why would I leave it?

There's a word for someone who leaves trash for others to pick up. Litterbug.
There are other words too, but they violate the community guidelines.

joerginger · October 2020

There are also many words for people who make a big stink over absolute non-issues like the one in this thread. But alas, these words equally violate the community guidelines.