Un-emptied Treasure Chests

allhailskippy · October 2020

Danksta wrote: »

Nobody should care, it's not a big deal. I don't get bent when I go to loot a chest and there's nothing but trash in it.

Sounds like you may be one of those people who leave items in treasure chests then.

If so, is there anything I can say to convince you to stop? It's really quite selfish.

Sephyr · October 2020

Danksta wrote: »

allhailskippy wrote: »

After interacting with a few people I've outright caught behaving this way. The general response is that they just don't care. I have been told that since they don't have ESO+ that they don't have infinite bag space, so they just leave what they don't want because they're 'not made of money'.

But what I've come to realize is that it's just selfish people doing selfish things.

They believe that their time is more valuable than yours. Period. It doesn't matter about the respawn time. It doesn't matter that the could take the item and destroy it. They just don't care.

These are most likely the same people who queue as fake tanks because "normal doesn't even need a tank".

It used to bug me more than it does now. Now, I just grab whatever garbage is left, and move on. There is no point in trying to convince people that what they are doing is wrong, since they simply couldn't care less.

Nobody should care, it's not a big deal. I don't get bent when I go to loot a chest and there's nothing but trash in it.

I also don't care because one person's trash is my happy treasure. Lower leveled gear? Mats/research fodder that usually saves me some time with guild stores sometimes. Same with resource nodes. Bugs and what not? More to fish with to farm up mythics (until the sticker book is implemented) as well as perfect roe. It hasn't bothered me for years once I found ways to put it all to good use. Everything respawns after 10 minutes anyways, so it's better than nothing.

Ackwalan · October 2020

daemondamian wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

I tested this again on 10/10, since it had been a few years. A chest with items left in it despawned in 10 minutes. If you wonder about this, go and test it out yourself. It is easy to do.

Unless of course you have one of those lovely friendly members of the ESO community who see someone next to a chest & not actively interacting with it & decide to take whatever is in the chest regardless of what the player next to the chest is doing or intends upon doing

The loot is not yours until it is in your pocket. And yes, I have been fighting mobs next to a chest when someone else came along to grabbed the chest. It's not the last chest in game.

Donny_Vito · October 2020

Kaliki wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

VoxAdActa wrote: »

The chest (or resource, or thief's cache, or fishing hole) won't respawn until someone empties it completely.

Not true. Once opened, the chest has a timer like anything else. It will not take up memory forever.

Maybe not forever. But I would assume that as long as the unlooted chest is there, no new chest can spawn at that location.

Once you open a chest, a timer starts. Whether you loot all the contents or not, that timer is running.

ghost_bg_ESO · October 2020

it is a bit funny how people farming chests through harvest map are triggered from other people farming chests with same addon but living trash for next farmer...

allhailskippy · October 2020

ghost_bg_ESO wrote: »

it is a bit funny how people farming chests through harvest map are triggered from other people farming chests with same addon but living trash for next farmer...

No addons on console.

cyclonus11 · October 2020

"Someone left a sharpened Bright-Throat's Boast inferno staff in a chest???"

"Oh. Level 34."

allhailskippy · October 2020

Ackwalan wrote: »

The loot is not yours until it is in your pocket. And yes, I have been fighting mobs next to a chest when someone else came along to grabbed the chest. It's not the last chest in game.

While this is true, it's still considered in poor taste to take a chest like that.

universal_wrath · October 2020

thegreat_one wrote: »

If you get that excited when you see a overland chest.......
Like seriously, nothing really good comes out of those u cannot find in a trader.

It would be annoying if u had to pick the lock agan!

Leads, motifs, and other items cpuld drop from chests. I know that I sqved more than150k from buy mothor sorrow fire staff twice.

Jeremy · October 2020

AyaDark wrote: »

So, if chest do respawn in 10 minutes, it is the same as no chest at all.
You get some junk, why so unhappy
You can just get nothing at all.

That's the way I look at it too.

It's either free garbage or no chest at all. So I don't know what the big deal is.

josiahva · October 2020

allhailskippy wrote: »

After interacting with a few people I've outright caught behaving this way. The general response is that they just don't care. I have been told that since they don't have ESO+ that they don't have infinite bag space, so they just leave what they don't want because they're 'not made of money'.

But what I've come to realize is that it's just selfish people doing selfish things.

They believe that their time is more valuable than yours. Period. It doesn't matter about the respawn time. It doesn't matter that the could take the item and destroy it. They just don't care.

These are most likely the same people who queue as fake tanks because "normal doesn't even need a tank".

It used to bug me more than it does now. Now, I just grab whatever garbage is left, and move on. There is no point in trying to convince people that what they are doing is wrong, since they simply couldn't care less.

Considering it doesn't affect anything...why do YOU care? The chest respawns the same whether its emptied or not. Look at it this way...if they leave something in there...just loot it and sell it...free gold, faster to loot an opened chest anyway. What you are really complaining about here is that you feel let down because someone else got to the chest first and left the visual behind but took the gold and left a cp110 axe of flame or something. If they dont have inventory space to take the item, they certainly dont have the inventory space to destroy something in their inventory just to take the junk in the chest and destroy it for you. I know for a fact that opened chests de-spawn within 10 minutes at the very most...I see this in dungeons all the time, open a chest and if your teammates dont get to it relatively quick its gone.

Here is the fact...people are going to continue to do this. I am going to continue to do this from time to time myself if my inventory is full...and it will continue to not matter because the chest will be gone within 10 minutes, either de-spawned or re-spawned. I am sorry that this will make you feel dissapointed, but that is not my intention. I do make every effort to keep my inventory relatively under control, but until we get unlimited inventory space it is what it is.

allhailskippy · October 2020

josiahva wrote: »

allhailskippy wrote: »

After interacting with a few people I've outright caught behaving this way. The general response is that they just don't care. I have been told that since they don't have ESO+ that they don't have infinite bag space, so they just leave what they don't want because they're 'not made of money'.

But what I've come to realize is that it's just selfish people doing selfish things.

They believe that their time is more valuable than yours. Period. It doesn't matter about the respawn time. It doesn't matter that the could take the item and destroy it. They just don't care.

These are most likely the same people who queue as fake tanks because "normal doesn't even need a tank".

It used to bug me more than it does now. Now, I just grab whatever garbage is left, and move on. There is no point in trying to convince people that what they are doing is wrong, since they simply couldn't care less.

Considering it doesn't affect anything...why do YOU care? The chest respawns the same whether its emptied or not. Look at it this way...if they leave something in there...just loot it and sell it...free gold, faster to loot an opened chest anyway. What you are really complaining about here is that you feel let down because someone else got to the chest first and left the visual behind but took the gold and left a cp110 axe of flame or something. If they dont have inventory space to take the item, they certainly dont have the inventory space to destroy something in their inventory just to take the junk in the chest and destroy it for you. I know for a fact that opened chests de-spawn within 10 minutes at the very most...I see this in dungeons all the time, open a chest and if your teammates dont get to it relatively quick its gone.

Here is the fact...people are going to continue to do this. I am going to continue to do this from time to time myself if my inventory is full...and it will continue to not matter because the chest will be gone within 10 minutes, either de-spawned or re-spawned. I am sorry that this will make you feel dissapointed, but that is not my intention. I do make every effort to keep my inventory relatively under control, but until we get unlimited inventory space it is what it is.

The ones that I've found doing this are not in the situation you described. They are the ones who in a public dungeon will take only the pieces that they want, and leave trash behind. In all of the chests. Not just because their inventory is full, but because they don't care about other players.

A chest can also respawn in faster than 10 minutes, but not if it's got stuff left over in it, especially where I'm farming.

It's not just the disappointment of being left with trash, it's ensuring that the chest I get to 100% does not have a good drop in it. So yeah, it does affect me.

Like I said though, I just grab and move on. But that doesn't make it any less acceptable behaviour.

starkerealm · October 2020

Hapexamendios wrote: »

iirc the junk will remain until someone takes it. But I'm not positive on that.

It's not. It will despawn eventually. I'm a little fuzzy on whether it will despawn when the node it's attached to respawns, or if it will despawn after a fixed time (though, I think it's the latter.)

So, let's talk about how chests work in ESO.

Each zone has a very high number of potential node spawn locations of each type. (Chests, Thieves Troves, Metal/Jewelry, Cloth, Alchemy, Woodworking, Enchanting/Psijic, ect.) Respawn time is 5 or 6 minutes (I forget which.)

Each zone also has a, "population limit," for each node type. This population limit will be significantly lower than the total number of nodes.

So, for example, if a Zone had 50 chest spawn locations, but a population limit of 20, there'd never be more than 20 chests spawned into that zone at one time. If opened and emptied a chest, the game would pick one of the 31 open nodes and spawn a chest into one of those locations. This means that chests (and crafting nodes) will not always respawn where you're looking. Simply waiting for a chest to respawn can (theoretically) take hours.

I can't verify it from personal experience, but my understanding is that as soon as a chest is unlocked, it no longer counts towards the zone's population. (The same is true for crafting mats that are partially harvested.) They'll hang around for awhile. (Potentially until that node respawns.) But they don't prevent other chests from spawning in.

Girl_Number8 · October 2020

Take the junk and sell it to your merch or break it down for mats

allhailskippy · October 2020

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Take the junk and sell it to your merch or break it down for mats

This can apply to either side of the discussion.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · October 2020

As disappointed as I get when I reach a treasure chest (or other resource) and it's been picked clean, I always take the trash and vendor/decon it. It only takes seconds to port to town and clean my bags when they are full. All those extra mats and gold add up after time.

Girl_Number8 · October 2020

allhailskippy wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Take the junk and sell it to your merch or break it down for mats

This can apply to either side of the discussion.

Not really. The OP said they found the chest with items, aka loot, aka plunder in it and they did not say if they sold it to their merch or broke it down for mats. Instead they just complained about a non-issue because it was still a chest with treasure.

allhailskippy · October 2020

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

allhailskippy wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Take the junk and sell it to your merch or break it down for mats

This can apply to either side of the discussion.

Not really. The OP said they found the chest with items, aka loot, aka plunder in it and they did not say if they sold it to their merch or broke it down for mats. Instead they just complained about a non-issue because it was still a chest with treasure.

So why doesn't the person who left the trash do the same? Leaving it is the in game equivalent of littering.

zaria · October 2020

cyclonus11 wrote: »

"Someone left a sharpened Bright-Throat's Boast inferno staff in a chest???"

"Oh. Level 34."

Try to sell it

Some in guild bought an cp 110 briarheart ring, purple at 19K and yes it was an trap.

Girl_Number8 · October 2020

allhailskippy wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

allhailskippy wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Take the junk and sell it to your merch or break it down for mats

This can apply to either side of the discussion.

Not really. The OP said they found the chest with items, aka loot, aka plunder in it and they did not say if they sold it to their merch or broke it down for mats. Instead they just complained about a non-issue because it was still a chest with treasure.

So why doesn't the person who left the trash do the same? Leaving it is the in game equivalent of littering.

Treasure chest equals treasure.

If you you think otherwise, then you should form a guild ‘ The Trash Collectors’. That way you can clean up all the make believe litter, since it obviously bothers you so very much.

I gave a simple solution to a non-issue

SteveCampsOut · October 2020

It's all a matter of perspective for me. I see a chest that someone has left that I don't have to pick the lock on and I consider it a nice time saving gift. Maybe I'm just Suzy Sunshine?

doomette · October 2020

It’s slightly annoying to come across a pre-opened chest when I’m running around on a <lvl 6 alt (I have pre-crafted lvl 6 gear for them, to last until they can bar swap) and I’m looking for any gear whatsoever. But honestly, with CP and the baby buff, I’m in no danger from anything overland just wearing the stuff they give all new characters. Plus it doesn’t take long at all to get to lvl 6. But still, kinda annoying.

Plus, makes me feel like I’m taking out someone else’s trash.

It’s not the worst thing in the world (except for those monsters who leave psijic portals partially looted, that’s just wrong lol), but I find it a bit discourteous so I won’t do it and I roll my eyes when someone else does it.

daemondamian · October 2020

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

I tested this again on 10/10, since it had been a few years. A chest with items left in it despawned in 10 minutes. If you wonder about this, go and test it out yourself. It is easy to do.

Unless of course you have one of those lovely friendly members of the ESO community who see someone next to a chest & not actively interacting with it & decide to take whatever is in the chest regardless of what the player next to the chest is doing or intends upon doing

You can't expect that they know what you intend to do

True - I can only expect that other people/players are only looking out for themselves & will take what they want without any consideration of what another players intentions might be, regardless of the fact that I am one of the few players that doesn't do that.

My policy on 'spoiled' treasure chest is to leave them & sometimes I apply it to simple chests too so that for example if I'm in a PD & someone doesn't empty a chest or doesn't open any simples, they accrue to 99% of what's in there & the person who left them has to wait longer to get new or better chests.

AlnilamE · October 2020

Vildebill wrote: »

MKintr wrote: »

If you want to blame something for it, then blame the storage system, that is designed to produce scarcity so you can't pickup every crap you find. It's the same with partially farmed mats and furniture, but no-one complains about that?

I don't agree at all. Everyone knows that exactly no one likes to come up to a chest just to find it half-emptied with only junk remaining. If you still choose to leave stuff in the chest, that says a lot about you as a person.

I honestly don't care. If someone left stuff behind, I pick it up and process it according to what it was. No skin off my back and I'm not going to let it affect my day.

There are plenty of chests/nodes in ESO.

spartaxoxo · October 2020

allhailskippy wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Nobody should care, it's not a big deal. I don't get bent when I go to loot a chest and there's nothing but trash in it.

Sounds like you may be one of those people who leave items in treasure chests then.

If so, is there anything I can say to convince you to stop? It's really quite selfish.

Why do you feel it is selfish? The next person gets items if they want them that they would not have otherwise received.

barney2525 · October 2020

thegreat_one wrote: »

If you get that excited when you see a overland chest.......
Like seriously, nothing really good comes out of those u cannot find in a trader.

It would be annoying if u had to pick the lock agan!

Except that its Free and lets you get rid of lockpicks and incrementally helps your thieving skills and small amount of XP and you can get furniture and you can get Leads and you can get treasure maps to better chests.

rpa · October 2020

The reason I dislike opened treasure chests is I can not practise my lock picking skills. Getting to point I prefer expert level locks because its the fastest to pick.

CrashTest · October 2020

If it's like trial treasure chests, then it'll disappear in 5 minutes from the time it was first opened.

daemondamian · October 2020

spartaxoxo wrote: »

allhailskippy wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Nobody should care, it's not a big deal. I don't get bent when I go to loot a chest and there's nothing but trash in it.

Sounds like you may be one of those people who leave items in treasure chests then.

If so, is there anything I can say to convince you to stop? It's really quite selfish.

Why do you feel it is selfish? The next person gets items if they want them that they would not have otherwise received.

Because a player hopes to be getting particular items from a chest be it gold or something else or maybe is farming a set & takes the time to stop at a particular chest - if it's already opened & only has say glyph or trait material & somebody has done it multiple times in the zone/area, then the time adds up.

So it's selfish because the player leaving stuff behind doesn't care if it is wasting or inconveniencing the time of another player only that they get what they want.

spartaxoxo · October 2020

daemondamian wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

allhailskippy wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Nobody should care, it's not a big deal. I don't get bent when I go to loot a chest and there's nothing but trash in it.

Sounds like you may be one of those people who leave items in treasure chests then.

If so, is there anything I can say to convince you to stop? It's really quite selfish.

Why do you feel it is selfish? The next person gets items if they want them that they would not have otherwise received.

Because a player hopes to be getting particular items from a chest be it gold or something else or maybe is farming a set & takes the time to stop at a particular chest - if it's already opened & only has say glyph or trait material & somebody has done it multiple times in the zone/area, then the time adds up.

So it's selfish because the player leaving stuff behind doesn't care if it is wasting or inconveniencing the time of another player only that they get what they want.

I mean chests aren't guaranteed to be the good rewards whether you open them or not? Someone disappointed that they got something instead of nothing is supposed to reflect poorly on the character on the person that left something?