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Heavy Attacks w/ Seargent's Mail, Undaunted Infiltrator, and Dual Wield
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Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭StaticWave wrote: »After the IC event ended I hopped into a BG match hoping to get a good fight. Little did I know I was bombarded (literally) with hunters venom, sheer venom, syvarra scale, unleashed terror, vma 2h + stampede, azureblight, brp bow, all while being defiled by multiple blastbones. I brought the doylemish heavy attack build to that match and before I could even land my heavies, my hp was whittled away by these proctards. But wait according to a particular who-we-all-know stamcro you can LoS the dots right? Good luck outhealing 5 dots on you behind line of sight. Actually don’t even bother healing through it to save yourself 5s of rezzing. Fengrush was in that same BG match and he streamed minecraft right after, isn’t that fantastic? Needless to say I quit BG after that match. I’d rather commit scooter ankle than dealing with that cancer
Check out Fengrush's VOD at 3:37:00 to see what I mean. Funnily enough, this who-we-all-know stamcro tried and failed multiple times to 1v1 me in several BGs, and I kid you not if it wasn't for his reputation as a cheese supporter (he's well known in that department and it goes way back when bleedblades were OP), I would have mistaken him for a newbie. You know, the one that only spams light attacks hoping to land a kill on you. It’s actually disgusting to watch these average (not trying to be offensive) players be able to outcompete more experienced ones with these proc sets. The game has truly been dumbed down for casual pvpers.
Pretty much this.
I wish 90% of the player base was using heavy attack builds, then my stamplar wouldn't have to run around with 1.4k mag recov just so I can survive the dots.1 -
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✭Derailing the thread by saying: Hey man look over here this is worse -> is a form of deflection. If you think something else in the game is broken, make a thread about it instead of changing the topic of this thread.
If you think that 30k hp heavy armor speed stacking tanks should be 1-2 shotting people because of dual wield doubling heavy attack set bonuses and don't think its a bug then that is a fair opinion. Personally, I think its a bug and I think using it is exploiting.Ali Dreadsabre -Necromancer
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »Derailing the thread by saying: Hey man look over here this is worse -> is a form of deflection. If you think something else in the game is broken, make a thread about it instead of changing the topic of this thread.
If you think that 30k hp heavy armor speed stacking tanks should be 1-2 shotting people because of dual wield doubling heavy attack set bonuses and don't think its a bug then that is a fair opinion. Personally, I think its a bug and I think using it is exploiting.
Because of the wording, because that DW heavy has always had two seperate damage instances; I feel it is not a bug nor an exploit.
Second, ive yet to really see any players using this set up while ive seen plenty of sheer venom and overwhelming grothdarr dks and health necros etc.
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EtTuBrutus✭✭✭✭✭So i built this on a mag dk using a lighting staff. Hit my friend im a duel for 14k. That's pretty strong considering i had 3 other dots on him at the time. Pretty stupid.1
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Mobius0✭✭✭Seems like the problem is the DK passive and not the sets or DW, if you ask me.
It seems to be the only common denominator here.
Don't nerf everyone just because DK can do this.4 -
Nerf that stuff but not mine! At the end of the day DK makes good use of this build with class synergy, same could be said with DoT sets and necro.
ZoS seems to want to continue the heavy attack build as the Markarth arena weapon is a heavy attack mechanic.
Time will tell if it'll be any good but it already seems better than what magicka is getting (oh yay! another tether mechanic which is already clunky on necro and nobody likes!).Edited by WiredandTired on September 20, 2020 5:58PM0 -
Mobius0✭✭✭+15% DoT damage is nice, but even with a full DoT build it's not a huge amount of extra damage, since skills and light attacks still will make up a lot of your damage.
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sabresandiego_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Heavy attack builds are interesting, and I am 100% cool with all builds in the game that are not "bugged". What I'm not cool with is cheating/exploiting. It doesn't make logical sense that a 30k hp tank with max movement speed can 1-2 shot people on demand because of dual wield doubling the heavy attack set modifiers, when even a full glass cannon in light or medium can't do that consistently outside of stealth ganks or burst windows.
Edited by sabresandiego_ESO on September 20, 2020 6:27PMAli Dreadsabre -Necromancer
Ali Sabre -Nightblade0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »Heavy attack builds are interesting, and I am 100% cool with all builds in the game that are not "bugged". What I'm not cool with is cheating/exploiting. It doesn't make logical sense that a 30k hp tank with max movement speed can 1-2 shot people because of dual wield doubling the heavy attack set modifiers, when even a full glass cannon in light or medium can't do that consistently outside of stealth ganks or burst windows.
Its not a "two shot" if it requires other set ups while in combat with the enemy.
I.e. you need the off-balance, and the heavy, then whatever damage is needed to finish (albeit dots or an attack)
1 shotting someone would be like a massive attack and immediate procs. A Gank build literally 1/2 shots people.Edited by Waffennacht on September 20, 2020 6:30PM3 -
Mobius0✭✭✭Not sure why DW is being singled out here. Resto and Lightning Staff benefit more from this than DW does.
I'm not sure how the +50% bonus applies, but if it's multiplying off of the set bonuses, then simply have it apply only to the base heavy attack damage.
The problem of the 50% DK bonus aside, it seems like the extra damage falls in line with other set bonuses, as far as damage increase is concerned.1 -
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✭Waffenacht: You don't need any setup to 1-2 shot people besides holding the left mouse button down (which you can do from 20 feet away and around a corner) and weaving in a skill at the end of the heavy attack connection. Watch the gameplay videos linked in this thread that show constant 1-2shot kills using this exact method.Ali Dreadsabre -Necromancer
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sabresandiego_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Not sure why DW is being singled out here. Resto and Lightning Staff benefit more from this than DW does.
I'm not sure how the +50% bonus applies, but if it's multiplying off of the set bonuses, then simply have it apply only to the base heavy attack damage.
The problem of the 50% DK bonus aside, it seems like the extra damage falls in line with other set bonuses, as far as damage increase is concerned.
Its because dual wield heavies both hit at the exact same time, causing a "burst" that 1-2 shots most people. The double bonus damage is obviously bugged and unintended because no other full heavy armor speed stacking tank build can do that kind of damage on demand every 1.8 seconds. The best you can do on any other heavy armor build is line up a burst window with something like clever alch and balorghs. This build does better damage than that on literally every single "heavy + skill" burst, every 1.8 - 2 seconds. Common sense and logic clearly indicate that this consistent level of massive burst damage on a character built to be tanky/fast is unintended. This isnt a glass cannon build, its a tank/speed build 1-2 shotting anything that's not a tank.Edited by sabresandiego_ESO on September 20, 2020 6:40PMAli Dreadsabre -Necromancer
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Mobius0✭✭✭Resto and Lightning heavy attacks get what, 3? 4? hits that all get the bonus. Plus they are harder to dodge because they don't all hit at the same time. DW may be burst, but it does zilch if it is dodged.
You also have to land your DW heavy attack whereas staff ones both auto aim and are ranged.
I'd say that if you are using this build as your primary means of damage, and are DW instead of a staff, you are doing it wrong.
Ultimately as I said, the problem is the 50% DK bonus and not the weapons/sets. Take away that and it's just another option among many good sets.Edited by Mobius0 on September 20, 2020 6:55PM1 -
Arcanasx✭✭✭✭✭sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »Heavy attack builds are interesting, and I am 100% cool with all builds in the game that are not "bugged". What I'm not cool with is cheating/exploiting. It doesn't make logical sense that a 30k hp tank with max movement speed can 1-2 shot people on demand because of dual wield doubling the heavy attack set modifiers, when even a full glass cannon in light or medium can't do that consistently outside of stealth ganks or burst windows.
Imagine calling a build with no defensive sets and no shield a tank.4