Maintenance for the week of September 8:
• [COMPLETE] PC/Mac: EU megaserver for maintenance – September 9, 22:00 UTC (6:00PM EDT) - September 10, 16:00 UTC (12:00PM EDT)
• [COMPLETE] PC/Mac: EU megaserver for maintenance – September 9, 22:00 UTC (6:00PM EDT) - September 10, 16:00 UTC (12:00PM EDT)
THERE IS NO WAY 2 PEOPLE (vamps) SHOULD BE ABLE TO WIPE OUT AN ENTIRE ZERG
-
Tweek✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »The game will be balanced out....in my opinion vamps aren't OP and if you think they are....spec in the fighters guild tree. Get silver bolts or something and use fire spells, or add fire damage to your weapon.....like if your a dragonknight use ardent flame....stop whining over game mechanics because your character cannot beat the theirs the game is broken.....LOL
Hmm... one sec, sorry, I need to borrow this:ZakyUchiha wrote: »I'm just going to post the top comment from the vid, since you guys do not understand what's happening and it is pretty accurate.
You lot who are saying that Emperors are supposed to be strong dont really get what is going on here
What you see in this video is the guy playing the current empress exploiting unintended mechanic that only works if a player meets certain requirements:
1) being a stage 4 vampire (60% spell cost reduction affecting ultimate ability!)
2) having a morphed vampiric self-healing ultimate ability
3) being a sorc or a dragon knight ( ultimate cost reduction passives)
4) having a specific armor set that also reduce ultimate cost
5) having a mist form
6) being an emperor
Now what is happening actually?
In short, if a player meets these requirements he can have ultimate ability cost reduced to 4 , even 0 in some cases. What does it mean? It means he can spam extremely strong self healing ability INDEFINITELY doing huge amount of damage
What;s worse. He can turn into a mist form that has 75% damage reduction AND receive ultimate self healing from the bat swarm which is not supposed to happen based on how the mist form works. A vampire in a mist form CANT get healing. BUT they missed that it doesn't affect ultimate ability bat swarm.
The thing is. The more people around the empress the more invulnerable she is.
We managed to kill her one time when she was alone avoiding being close to her , keeping distance and it took 50+ players. BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if she is with her own group.
It is totally broken mechanic exploiting mist form+ bat swarm
Yeah... that's kinda what I'd call broken. Not easily broken like, say, Skyrim, but broken, none the less.
Also would like to add.....I'm vampire speced in the fighter guild tree line to kill other vampires and werewolfs and I kill them all in about 3 seconds.......
PS......mist form is bad and I don't use it. It sucks.
The issue isn't that mist form is good. The issue is creating a situation where you have a 4 point ultimate that results in massive healing which also works off enemies in the immediate vicinity.
Watch the Youtube video, it's a vampire emperor getting pounded on, simultaniously, by about 20-30 players and not taking any damage from it. That, is broken.
Hey nice strawman argument but you fail.
That video is of an EMPEROR
BEING A VAMPIRE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AS UNDEATH KICK IN AFTER 50% HEALTH DAMAGE....MEANIGN.
BEING A VAMPIRE HAD NO EFFECT FOR THIS EMPEROR IN THIS VIDEO AT ALL.
I NEVER SEEN THEM USE AN ACTIVE VAMP ABILITY THE ENTIRE VIDEO AND THE PASSIVES FOR VAMPIRE WOULD NOT HELP HERE.
The player was not a vampire.
A Stage 4 vampire receives a 60% cost discount on spells, including their ultimate. It's a critical part of the system to break the game.
Error.
I am a vampire.
It's a 60% cost discount on VAMPIRE SPELLS. DOES NOT INCLUDE ULTIMATE OTHER THAN BAT SWARM.
BAT SWARM IS NOT OP.Edited by Tweek on April 21, 2014 6:59PM7 -
Inzababa✭✭✭so many trolls in this thread I give up...
Resistance is FUtilezCivilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
Resistance is FUtilez2 -
CNDTrae✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »The game will be balanced out....in my opinion vamps aren't OP and if you think they are....spec in the fighters guild tree. Get silver bolts or something and use fire spells, or add fire damage to your weapon.....like if your a dragonknight use ardent flame....stop whining over game mechanics because your character cannot beat the theirs the game is broken.....LOL
Hmm... one sec, sorry, I need to borrow this:ZakyUchiha wrote: »I'm just going to post the top comment from the vid, since you guys do not understand what's happening and it is pretty accurate.
You lot who are saying that Emperors are supposed to be strong dont really get what is going on here
What you see in this video is the guy playing the current empress exploiting unintended mechanic that only works if a player meets certain requirements:
1) being a stage 4 vampire (60% spell cost reduction affecting ultimate ability!)
2) having a morphed vampiric self-healing ultimate ability
3) being a sorc or a dragon knight ( ultimate cost reduction passives)
4) having a specific armor set that also reduce ultimate cost
5) having a mist form
6) being an emperor
Now what is happening actually?
In short, if a player meets these requirements he can have ultimate ability cost reduced to 4 , even 0 in some cases. What does it mean? It means he can spam extremely strong self healing ability INDEFINITELY doing huge amount of damage
What;s worse. He can turn into a mist form that has 75% damage reduction AND receive ultimate self healing from the bat swarm which is not supposed to happen based on how the mist form works. A vampire in a mist form CANT get healing. BUT they missed that it doesn't affect ultimate ability bat swarm.
The thing is. The more people around the empress the more invulnerable she is.
We managed to kill her one time when she was alone avoiding being close to her , keeping distance and it took 50+ players. BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if she is with her own group.
It is totally broken mechanic exploiting mist form+ bat swarm
Yeah... that's kinda what I'd call broken. Not easily broken like, say, Skyrim, but broken, none the less.
Also would like to add.....I'm vampire speced in the fighter guild tree line to kill other vampires and werewolfs and I kill them all in about 3 seconds.......
PS......mist form is bad and I don't use it. It sucks.
The issue isn't that mist form is good. The issue is creating a situation where you have a 4 point ultimate that results in massive healing which also works off enemies in the immediate vicinity.
Watch the Youtube video, it's a vampire emperor getting pounded on, simultaniously, by about 20-30 players and not taking any damage from it. That, is broken.
Hey nice strawman argument but you fail.
That video is of an EMPEROR
BEING A VAMPIRE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AS UNDEATH KICK IN AFTER 50% HEALTH DAMAGE....MEANIGN.
BEING A VAMPIRE HAD NO EFFECT FOR THIS EMPEROR IN THIS VIDEO AT ALL.
I NEVER SEEN THEM USE AN ACTIVE VAMP ABILITY THE ENTIRE VIDEO AND THE PASSIVES FOR VAMPIRE WOULD NOT HELP HERE.
The player was not a vampire.
A Stage 4 vampire receives a 60% cost discount on spells, including their ultimate. It's a critical part of the system to break the game.
And that passive is broken. If you zone or die it breaks, and you literally have to go through the stages again.
What about DK's they get ultimate reduction as well.
Spamming ultimate comes from the abilities an emperor gets. Its easy to counter though, dethrone them.1 -
Tweek✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »The game will be balanced out....in my opinion vamps aren't OP and if you think they are....spec in the fighters guild tree. Get silver bolts or something and use fire spells, or add fire damage to your weapon.....like if your a dragonknight use ardent flame....stop whining over game mechanics because your character cannot beat the theirs the game is broken.....LOL
Hmm... one sec, sorry, I need to borrow this:ZakyUchiha wrote: »I'm just going to post the top comment from the vid, since you guys do not understand what's happening and it is pretty accurate.
You lot who are saying that Emperors are supposed to be strong dont really get what is going on here
What you see in this video is the guy playing the current empress exploiting unintended mechanic that only works if a player meets certain requirements:
1) being a stage 4 vampire (60% spell cost reduction affecting ultimate ability!)
2) having a morphed vampiric self-healing ultimate ability
3) being a sorc or a dragon knight ( ultimate cost reduction passives)
4) having a specific armor set that also reduce ultimate cost
5) having a mist form
6) being an emperor
Now what is happening actually?
In short, if a player meets these requirements he can have ultimate ability cost reduced to 4 , even 0 in some cases. What does it mean? It means he can spam extremely strong self healing ability INDEFINITELY doing huge amount of damage
What;s worse. He can turn into a mist form that has 75% damage reduction AND receive ultimate self healing from the bat swarm which is not supposed to happen based on how the mist form works. A vampire in a mist form CANT get healing. BUT they missed that it doesn't affect ultimate ability bat swarm.
The thing is. The more people around the empress the more invulnerable she is.
We managed to kill her one time when she was alone avoiding being close to her , keeping distance and it took 50+ players. BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if she is with her own group.
It is totally broken mechanic exploiting mist form+ bat swarm
Yeah... that's kinda what I'd call broken. Not easily broken like, say, Skyrim, but broken, none the less.
Also would like to add.....I'm vampire speced in the fighter guild tree line to kill other vampires and werewolfs and I kill them all in about 3 seconds.......
PS......mist form is bad and I don't use it. It sucks.
The issue isn't that mist form is good. The issue is creating a situation where you have a 4 point ultimate that results in massive healing which also works off enemies in the immediate vicinity.
Watch the Youtube video, it's a vampire emperor getting pounded on, simultaniously, by about 20-30 players and not taking any damage from it. That, is broken.
Hey nice strawman argument but you fail.
That video is of an EMPEROR
BEING A VAMPIRE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AS UNDEATH KICK IN AFTER 50% HEALTH DAMAGE....MEANIGN.
BEING A VAMPIRE HAD NO EFFECT FOR THIS EMPEROR IN THIS VIDEO AT ALL.
I NEVER SEEN THEM USE AN ACTIVE VAMP ABILITY THE ENTIRE VIDEO AND THE PASSIVES FOR VAMPIRE WOULD NOT HELP HERE.
The player was not a vampire.
A Stage 4 vampire receives a 60% cost discount on spells, including their ultimate. It's a critical part of the system to break the game.
And that passive is broken. If you zone or die it breaks, and you literally have to go through the stages again.
What about DK's they get ultimate reduction as well.
Spamming ultimate comes from the abilities an emperor gets. Its easy to counter though, dethrone them.
This.
Also vampires do not get ultimate reduction, nor do they get spell reduction.
THEY GET REDUCED COST OF THEIR VAMPIRE SPELLS.
4 -
Tweek✭✭✭I am a vampire.
It's a 60% cost discount on VAMPIRE SPELLS. DOES NOT INCLUDE ULTIMATE OTHER THAN BAT SWARM.
BAT SWARM IS NOT OP.5 -
Inzababa✭✭✭just one last thing, the vamp ultimate in these cases is spammable repeatedly, which is what makes it OP.Resistance is FUtilezCivilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
Resistance is FUtilez2 -
Tweek✭✭✭just one last thing, the vamp ultimate in these cases is spammable repeatedly, which is what makes it OP.
NO it isn't.
INHALE is better which is an active ability in my DK tree line....and uhhhh not an ultimate and is spammable.
Also the ability itself is NOT OP.....this is what the fighter guild tree line is for.
I seen a vamp use bat swarm.....three of them on me the other day in skull crusher.
I killed them all in about a minute with the fighters guild skill chain.
Please L2P.
Also the fighters guild chain should be nerfed a tad and the vamp ultimate should be made to be more powerful...as I destroy vampires ALL THE TIME in PvP.Edited by Tweek on April 21, 2014 7:07PM4 -
Bonzi✭Nice video, you can see how i was idlign there with trabuchet (fire one) and doing 0 dmg....oh and most of the emperors are vamperors...i wonder why, the points total they have is off the charts....hm i wonder why is that...
1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭
According to the post above that I linked before Tweak got it in his head that... something. Anyway, the issue comes from stacking the Sorcerer or Dragon Knight ultimate reduction on top of the Vampiric one.starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »The game will be balanced out....in my opinion vamps aren't OP and if you think they are....spec in the fighters guild tree. Get silver bolts or something and use fire spells, or add fire damage to your weapon.....like if your a dragonknight use ardent flame....stop whining over game mechanics because your character cannot beat the theirs the game is broken.....LOL
Hmm... one sec, sorry, I need to borrow this:ZakyUchiha wrote: »I'm just going to post the top comment from the vid, since you guys do not understand what's happening and it is pretty accurate.
You lot who are saying that Emperors are supposed to be strong dont really get what is going on here
What you see in this video is the guy playing the current empress exploiting unintended mechanic that only works if a player meets certain requirements:
1) being a stage 4 vampire (60% spell cost reduction affecting ultimate ability!)
2) having a morphed vampiric self-healing ultimate ability
3) being a sorc or a dragon knight ( ultimate cost reduction passives)
4) having a specific armor set that also reduce ultimate cost
5) having a mist form
6) being an emperor
Now what is happening actually?
In short, if a player meets these requirements he can have ultimate ability cost reduced to 4 , even 0 in some cases. What does it mean? It means he can spam extremely strong self healing ability INDEFINITELY doing huge amount of damage
What;s worse. He can turn into a mist form that has 75% damage reduction AND receive ultimate self healing from the bat swarm which is not supposed to happen based on how the mist form works. A vampire in a mist form CANT get healing. BUT they missed that it doesn't affect ultimate ability bat swarm.
The thing is. The more people around the empress the more invulnerable she is.
We managed to kill her one time when she was alone avoiding being close to her , keeping distance and it took 50+ players. BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if she is with her own group.
It is totally broken mechanic exploiting mist form+ bat swarm
Yeah... that's kinda what I'd call broken. Not easily broken like, say, Skyrim, but broken, none the less.
Also would like to add.....I'm vampire speced in the fighter guild tree line to kill other vampires and werewolfs and I kill them all in about 3 seconds.......
PS......mist form is bad and I don't use it. It sucks.
The issue isn't that mist form is good. The issue is creating a situation where you have a 4 point ultimate that results in massive healing which also works off enemies in the immediate vicinity.
Watch the Youtube video, it's a vampire emperor getting pounded on, simultaniously, by about 20-30 players and not taking any damage from it. That, is broken.
Hey nice strawman argument but you fail.
That video is of an EMPEROR
BEING A VAMPIRE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AS UNDEATH KICK IN AFTER 50% HEALTH DAMAGE....MEANIGN.
BEING A VAMPIRE HAD NO EFFECT FOR THIS EMPEROR IN THIS VIDEO AT ALL.
I NEVER SEEN THEM USE AN ACTIVE VAMP ABILITY THE ENTIRE VIDEO AND THE PASSIVES FOR VAMPIRE WOULD NOT HELP HERE.
The player was not a vampire.
A Stage 4 vampire receives a 60% cost discount on spells, including their ultimate. It's a critical part of the system to break the game.
And that passive is broken. If you zone or die it breaks, and you literally have to go through the stages again.
What about DK's they get ultimate reduction as well.
Spamming ultimate comes from the abilities an emperor gets. Its easy to counter though, dethrone them.
It basically works off grabbing every possible ultimate discount you can at once, slapping it all on a character. If you do it right, this should push your ultimate cost down to around 4. (For reference this is something like a 95% discount, by the time they're done.) And then spamming the ultimate.
Seriously, just go back and look at the description in the video. Dethroning is probably the way to go... but, I'm guessing that stacking ultimate discounts like this leads to problems elsewhere.
Normally, losing passives on death would be a real issue, but... with this specific combination?
I suspect the simplest solution would be to just make ultimate discounts non-cumulative, so you only get the best discount, and not all of them.1 -
Tweek✭✭✭just one last thing, the vamp ultimate in these cases is spammable repeatedly, which is what makes it OP.
Oh and it isn't spammable at all. Unless being attacked by a zerg to gain more ultimate....in which case if ONE member of said zerg has silver bolts or fighters guild passive, the vampire will be destroyed in seconds....as said I kill them all the time with it.
L2P
Edited by Tweek on April 21, 2014 7:09PM2 -
Srugzal✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »How to deal with vampires in PvP:
1) Magelight
2) Silver Bolts
3) Something to cook over the smoking ashes.
You act like the vampire is doing nothing to counter you lol. A good nightblade vampire would probably kill you before you had a chance to fire the silverbolts
Then again, so would a normal nightblade. Its when you catch them offguard that they die instantly
You're using 1v1 language. PvP isn't 1v1. While you're getting killed, 15 other players are targeting the vampire with silverbolts. Done. You don't have to be the hero of this story.1 -
Inzababa✭✭✭dude we not talking of 1 vs 1, the whole point about the health leech is it needs people to leech it from.
sighResistance is FUtilezCivilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
Resistance is FUtilez1 -
So you died. Big deal.
I'm the only player who should be complaining about being killed by enemies.
Level 29. Zero points spent on fighting skills. Anybody in the game can melt me in 2-3 seconds. Happens all the time. No complaints.
Aside from their shoddy servers, of course.1 -
Bonzi✭Tweek, you don't know what your talking about...that guy or girl, is in my campaign and he/she is a vampire. Sorry mate.
1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭
It's possible to reduce the ultimate cost to 4. At that point it really is spamable.just one last thing, the vamp ultimate in these cases is spammable repeatedly, which is what makes it OP.
Oh and it isn't spammable at all. Unless being attacked by a zerg to gain more ultimate....in which case if ONE member of said zerg has silver bolts or fighters guild passive, the vampire will be destroyed in seconds....as said I kill them all the time with it.
L2P
1 -
Tweek✭✭✭dude we not talking of 1 vs 1, the whole point about the health leech is it needs people to leech it from.
sigh
I have fought players in zergs that were vamps as well.....same case I used silver bolts.....they died in 6 hits. Took seconds.
This may be spammable as an emperor and if this is the case....then nerf the emperors not the vampires as they are easy to kill already.0 -
Tweek✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
According to the post above that I linked before Tweak got it in his head that... something. Anyway, the issue comes from stacking the Sorcerer or Dragon Knight ultimate reduction on top of the Vampiric one.starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »The game will be balanced out....in my opinion vamps aren't OP and if you think they are....spec in the fighters guild tree. Get silver bolts or something and use fire spells, or add fire damage to your weapon.....like if your a dragonknight use ardent flame....stop whining over game mechanics because your character cannot beat the theirs the game is broken.....LOL
Hmm... one sec, sorry, I need to borrow this:ZakyUchiha wrote: »I'm just going to post the top comment from the vid, since you guys do not understand what's happening and it is pretty accurate.
You lot who are saying that Emperors are supposed to be strong dont really get what is going on here
What you see in this video is the guy playing the current empress exploiting unintended mechanic that only works if a player meets certain requirements:
1) being a stage 4 vampire (60% spell cost reduction affecting ultimate ability!)
2) having a morphed vampiric self-healing ultimate ability
3) being a sorc or a dragon knight ( ultimate cost reduction passives)
4) having a specific armor set that also reduce ultimate cost
5) having a mist form
6) being an emperor
Now what is happening actually?
In short, if a player meets these requirements he can have ultimate ability cost reduced to 4 , even 0 in some cases. What does it mean? It means he can spam extremely strong self healing ability INDEFINITELY doing huge amount of damage
What;s worse. He can turn into a mist form that has 75% damage reduction AND receive ultimate self healing from the bat swarm which is not supposed to happen based on how the mist form works. A vampire in a mist form CANT get healing. BUT they missed that it doesn't affect ultimate ability bat swarm.
The thing is. The more people around the empress the more invulnerable she is.
We managed to kill her one time when she was alone avoiding being close to her , keeping distance and it took 50+ players. BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if she is with her own group.
It is totally broken mechanic exploiting mist form+ bat swarm
Yeah... that's kinda what I'd call broken. Not easily broken like, say, Skyrim, but broken, none the less.
Also would like to add.....I'm vampire speced in the fighter guild tree line to kill other vampires and werewolfs and I kill them all in about 3 seconds.......
PS......mist form is bad and I don't use it. It sucks.
The issue isn't that mist form is good. The issue is creating a situation where you have a 4 point ultimate that results in massive healing which also works off enemies in the immediate vicinity.
Watch the Youtube video, it's a vampire emperor getting pounded on, simultaniously, by about 20-30 players and not taking any damage from it. That, is broken.
Hey nice strawman argument but you fail.
That video is of an EMPEROR
BEING A VAMPIRE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AS UNDEATH KICK IN AFTER 50% HEALTH DAMAGE....MEANIGN.
BEING A VAMPIRE HAD NO EFFECT FOR THIS EMPEROR IN THIS VIDEO AT ALL.
I NEVER SEEN THEM USE AN ACTIVE VAMP ABILITY THE ENTIRE VIDEO AND THE PASSIVES FOR VAMPIRE WOULD NOT HELP HERE.
The player was not a vampire.
A Stage 4 vampire receives a 60% cost discount on spells, including their ultimate. It's a critical part of the system to break the game.
And that passive is broken. If you zone or die it breaks, and you literally have to go through the stages again.
What about DK's they get ultimate reduction as well.
Spamming ultimate comes from the abilities an emperor gets. Its easy to counter though, dethrone them.
It basically works off grabbing every possible ultimate discount you can at once, slapping it all on a character. If you do it right, this should push your ultimate cost down to around 4. (For reference this is something like a 95% discount, by the time they're done.) And then spamming the ultimate.
Seriously, just go back and look at the description in the video. Dethroning is probably the way to go... but, I'm guessing that stacking ultimate discounts like this leads to problems elsewhere.
Normally, losing passives on death would be a real issue, but... with this specific combination?
I suspect the simplest solution would be to just make ultimate discounts non-cumulative, so you only get the best discount, and not all of them.
I'm a dragonknight vampire and I cannot make my ultimate cost 4.
You're lying somewhere.1 -
maxilaub17_ESO✭✭✭ZakyUchiha wrote: »I'm just going to post the top comment from the vid, since you guys do not understand what's happening and it is pretty accurate.
You lot who are saying that Emperors are supposed to be strong dont really get what is going on here
What you see in this video is the guy playing the current empress exploiting unintended mechanic that only works if a player meets certain requirements:
1) being a stage 4 vampire (60% spell cost reduction affecting ultimate ability!)
2) having a morphed vampiric self-healing ultimate ability
3) being a sorc or a dragon knight ( ultimate cost reduction passives)
4) having a specific armor set that also reduce ultimate cost
5) having a mist form
6) being an emperor
Now what is happening actually?
In short, if a player meets these requirements he can have ultimate ability cost reduced to 4 , even 0 in some cases. What does it mean? It means he can spam extremely strong self healing ability INDEFINITELY doing huge amount of damage
What;s worse. He can turn into a mist form that has 75% damage reduction AND receive ultimate self healing from the bat swarm which is not supposed to happen based on how the mist form works. A vampire in a mist form CANT get healing. BUT they missed that it doesn't affect ultimate ability bat swarm.
The thing is. The more people around the empress the more invulnerable she is.
We managed to kill her one time when she was alone avoiding being close to her , keeping distance and it took 50+ players. BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if she is with her own group.
It is totally broken mechanic exploiting mist form+ bat swarm
Thank you for pointing the specifics out, anyway you slice it it is exploiting broken game mechanics. No one can say with a straight face the devs intended for an individual player to be 10 times more powerful than the strongest NPC bosses they create. It's an exploit plain and simple and it needs to be fixed asap. I've seen this first hand and even a full group of experienced V1+ PvP'rs with at least 20-30 more people in public groups, could not come close to taking the player out.
3 -
Tweek✭✭✭I should add I'm a vetern and have my trees maxed out....Dragonknight and vampires.....my ultimates have not been reduced in cost....I can however gain a bit of extra ultimate using the leech ability, and I have passives to make me gain more ultimate. However this effects how much I gain and doesn't give me a discount on it and I still cannot spam it.
Emperors get a discount on it. So yeah that should be nerfed or taken out.
This ability I am referring to is called "Authority"
For the remainder of this debate please reference all abilities and do not make anything up please.1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭
You also thought Mist Form was useless. So, yeah, I can see where you might have missed a few parts of this. Fortunately, someone up there gave you the tools to do it... if, you know, you wanted to.starkerealm wrote: »
According to the post above that I linked before Tweak got it in his head that... something. Anyway, the issue comes from stacking the Sorcerer or Dragon Knight ultimate reduction on top of the Vampiric one.starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »The game will be balanced out....in my opinion vamps aren't OP and if you think they are....spec in the fighters guild tree. Get silver bolts or something and use fire spells, or add fire damage to your weapon.....like if your a dragonknight use ardent flame....stop whining over game mechanics because your character cannot beat the theirs the game is broken.....LOL
Hmm... one sec, sorry, I need to borrow this:ZakyUchiha wrote: »I'm just going to post the top comment from the vid, since you guys do not understand what's happening and it is pretty accurate.
You lot who are saying that Emperors are supposed to be strong dont really get what is going on here
What you see in this video is the guy playing the current empress exploiting unintended mechanic that only works if a player meets certain requirements:
1) being a stage 4 vampire (60% spell cost reduction affecting ultimate ability!)
2) having a morphed vampiric self-healing ultimate ability
3) being a sorc or a dragon knight ( ultimate cost reduction passives)
4) having a specific armor set that also reduce ultimate cost
5) having a mist form
6) being an emperor
Now what is happening actually?
In short, if a player meets these requirements he can have ultimate ability cost reduced to 4 , even 0 in some cases. What does it mean? It means he can spam extremely strong self healing ability INDEFINITELY doing huge amount of damage
What;s worse. He can turn into a mist form that has 75% damage reduction AND receive ultimate self healing from the bat swarm which is not supposed to happen based on how the mist form works. A vampire in a mist form CANT get healing. BUT they missed that it doesn't affect ultimate ability bat swarm.
The thing is. The more people around the empress the more invulnerable she is.
We managed to kill her one time when she was alone avoiding being close to her , keeping distance and it took 50+ players. BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if she is with her own group.
It is totally broken mechanic exploiting mist form+ bat swarm
Yeah... that's kinda what I'd call broken. Not easily broken like, say, Skyrim, but broken, none the less.
Also would like to add.....I'm vampire speced in the fighter guild tree line to kill other vampires and werewolfs and I kill them all in about 3 seconds.......
PS......mist form is bad and I don't use it. It sucks.
The issue isn't that mist form is good. The issue is creating a situation where you have a 4 point ultimate that results in massive healing which also works off enemies in the immediate vicinity.
Watch the Youtube video, it's a vampire emperor getting pounded on, simultaniously, by about 20-30 players and not taking any damage from it. That, is broken.
Hey nice strawman argument but you fail.
That video is of an EMPEROR
BEING A VAMPIRE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AS UNDEATH KICK IN AFTER 50% HEALTH DAMAGE....MEANIGN.
BEING A VAMPIRE HAD NO EFFECT FOR THIS EMPEROR IN THIS VIDEO AT ALL.
I NEVER SEEN THEM USE AN ACTIVE VAMP ABILITY THE ENTIRE VIDEO AND THE PASSIVES FOR VAMPIRE WOULD NOT HELP HERE.
The player was not a vampire.
A Stage 4 vampire receives a 60% cost discount on spells, including their ultimate. It's a critical part of the system to break the game.
And that passive is broken. If you zone or die it breaks, and you literally have to go through the stages again.
What about DK's they get ultimate reduction as well.
Spamming ultimate comes from the abilities an emperor gets. Its easy to counter though, dethrone them.
It basically works off grabbing every possible ultimate discount you can at once, slapping it all on a character. If you do it right, this should push your ultimate cost down to around 4. (For reference this is something like a 95% discount, by the time they're done.) And then spamming the ultimate.
Seriously, just go back and look at the description in the video. Dethroning is probably the way to go... but, I'm guessing that stacking ultimate discounts like this leads to problems elsewhere.
Normally, losing passives on death would be a real issue, but... with this specific combination?
I suspect the simplest solution would be to just make ultimate discounts non-cumulative, so you only get the best discount, and not all of them.
I'm a dragonknight vampire and I cannot make my ultimate cost 4.
You're lying somewhere.1 -
Inzababa✭✭✭tweeks a vampire, of course he don't want vamps to be nerfed ..Resistance is FUtilezCivilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
Resistance is FUtilez3 -
Tweek✭✭✭maxilaub17_ESO wrote: »ZakyUchiha wrote: »I'm just going to post the top comment from the vid, since you guys do not understand what's happening and it is pretty accurate.
You lot who are saying that Emperors are supposed to be strong dont really get what is going on here
What you see in this video is the guy playing the current empress exploiting unintended mechanic that only works if a player meets certain requirements:
1) being a stage 4 vampire (60% spell cost reduction affecting ultimate ability!)
2) having a morphed vampiric self-healing ultimate ability
3) being a sorc or a dragon knight ( ultimate cost reduction passives)
4) having a specific armor set that also reduce ultimate cost
5) having a mist form
6) being an emperor
Now what is happening actually?
In short, if a player meets these requirements he can have ultimate ability cost reduced to 4 , even 0 in some cases. What does it mean? It means he can spam extremely strong self healing ability INDEFINITELY doing huge amount of damage
What;s worse. He can turn into a mist form that has 75% damage reduction AND receive ultimate self healing from the bat swarm which is not supposed to happen based on how the mist form works. A vampire in a mist form CANT get healing. BUT they missed that it doesn't affect ultimate ability bat swarm.
The thing is. The more people around the empress the more invulnerable she is.
We managed to kill her one time when she was alone avoiding being close to her , keeping distance and it took 50+ players. BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if she is with her own group.
It is totally broken mechanic exploiting mist form+ bat swarm
Thank you for pointing the specifics out, anyway you slice it it is exploiting broken game mechanics. No one can say with a straight face the devs intended for an individual player to be 10 times more powerful than the strongest NPC bosses they create. It's an exploit plain and simple and it needs to be fixed asap. I've seen this first hand and even a full group of experienced V1+ PvP'rs with at least 20-30 more people in public groups, could not come close to taking the player out.
Emperor should be nerfed(Authority) the rest of this isn't broken at all.
Take it from a DK Vampire that is a veteran and does PvP...I don't use these skills cause they suck. Bat swarm....well devouring swarm(very little health regen) sucks compared to the inhale skill.
If you cannot kill vamps....put points into the Fighters Guild tree......otherwise please L2P.2 -
maxilaub17_ESO✭✭✭just one last thing, the vamp ultimate in these cases is spammable repeatedly, which is what makes it OP.
NO it isn't.
INHALE is better which is an active ability in my DK tree line....and uhhhh not an ultimate and is spammable.
Also the ability itself is NOT OP.....this is what the fighter guild tree line is for.
I seen a vamp use bat swarm.....three of them on me the other day in skull crusher.
I killed them all in about a minute with the fighters guild skill chain.
Please L2P.
Also the fighters guild chain should be nerfed a tad and the vamp ultimate should be made to be more powerful...as I destroy vampires ALL THE TIME in PvP.
I love the pretense of a vampire (you) making believe they are too week by pretending to be the class that is strong against them... nice try!
I've read some of your other posts, your main is definitely a vampire, even if you have alt that are not.
Edited by maxilaub17_ESO on April 21, 2014 7:23PM3 -
Tweek✭✭✭tweeks a vampire, of course he don't want vamps to be nerfed ..
A vampire that doesn't use any of these skills that are being named....I did before....it's a bad build because fighters guild chain buries it.
Also you only want vampires to be nerfed because you aren't one.
See what I did there?
Nice ad hominem......why don't you attack my argument and please reference skills and abilities next time.1 -
Tweek✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
You also thought Mist Form was useless. So, yeah, I can see where you might have missed a few parts of this. Fortunately, someone up there gave you the tools to do it... if, you know, you wanted to.starkerealm wrote: »
According to the post above that I linked before Tweak got it in his head that... something. Anyway, the issue comes from stacking the Sorcerer or Dragon Knight ultimate reduction on top of the Vampiric one.starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »The game will be balanced out....in my opinion vamps aren't OP and if you think they are....spec in the fighters guild tree. Get silver bolts or something and use fire spells, or add fire damage to your weapon.....like if your a dragonknight use ardent flame....stop whining over game mechanics because your character cannot beat the theirs the game is broken.....LOL
Hmm... one sec, sorry, I need to borrow this:ZakyUchiha wrote: »I'm just going to post the top comment from the vid, since you guys do not understand what's happening and it is pretty accurate.
You lot who are saying that Emperors are supposed to be strong dont really get what is going on here
What you see in this video is the guy playing the current empress exploiting unintended mechanic that only works if a player meets certain requirements:
1) being a stage 4 vampire (60% spell cost reduction affecting ultimate ability!)
2) having a morphed vampiric self-healing ultimate ability
3) being a sorc or a dragon knight ( ultimate cost reduction passives)
4) having a specific armor set that also reduce ultimate cost
5) having a mist form
6) being an emperor
Now what is happening actually?
In short, if a player meets these requirements he can have ultimate ability cost reduced to 4 , even 0 in some cases. What does it mean? It means he can spam extremely strong self healing ability INDEFINITELY doing huge amount of damage
What;s worse. He can turn into a mist form that has 75% damage reduction AND receive ultimate self healing from the bat swarm which is not supposed to happen based on how the mist form works. A vampire in a mist form CANT get healing. BUT they missed that it doesn't affect ultimate ability bat swarm.
The thing is. The more people around the empress the more invulnerable she is.
We managed to kill her one time when she was alone avoiding being close to her , keeping distance and it took 50+ players. BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if she is with her own group.
It is totally broken mechanic exploiting mist form+ bat swarm
Yeah... that's kinda what I'd call broken. Not easily broken like, say, Skyrim, but broken, none the less.
Also would like to add.....I'm vampire speced in the fighter guild tree line to kill other vampires and werewolfs and I kill them all in about 3 seconds.......
PS......mist form is bad and I don't use it. It sucks.
The issue isn't that mist form is good. The issue is creating a situation where you have a 4 point ultimate that results in massive healing which also works off enemies in the immediate vicinity.
Watch the Youtube video, it's a vampire emperor getting pounded on, simultaniously, by about 20-30 players and not taking any damage from it. That, is broken.
Hey nice strawman argument but you fail.
That video is of an EMPEROR
BEING A VAMPIRE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AS UNDEATH KICK IN AFTER 50% HEALTH DAMAGE....MEANIGN.
BEING A VAMPIRE HAD NO EFFECT FOR THIS EMPEROR IN THIS VIDEO AT ALL.
I NEVER SEEN THEM USE AN ACTIVE VAMP ABILITY THE ENTIRE VIDEO AND THE PASSIVES FOR VAMPIRE WOULD NOT HELP HERE.
The player was not a vampire.
A Stage 4 vampire receives a 60% cost discount on spells, including their ultimate. It's a critical part of the system to break the game.
And that passive is broken. If you zone or die it breaks, and you literally have to go through the stages again.
What about DK's they get ultimate reduction as well.
Spamming ultimate comes from the abilities an emperor gets. Its easy to counter though, dethrone them.
It basically works off grabbing every possible ultimate discount you can at once, slapping it all on a character. If you do it right, this should push your ultimate cost down to around 4. (For reference this is something like a 95% discount, by the time they're done.) And then spamming the ultimate.
Seriously, just go back and look at the description in the video. Dethroning is probably the way to go... but, I'm guessing that stacking ultimate discounts like this leads to problems elsewhere.
Normally, losing passives on death would be a real issue, but... with this specific combination?
I suspect the simplest solution would be to just make ultimate discounts non-cumulative, so you only get the best discount, and not all of them.
I'm a dragonknight vampire and I cannot make my ultimate cost 4.
You're lying somewhere.
I'm vetern rank.
I have been PvPing in MMOs for over 14 years........mist form is useless.
I wouldn't use this build in a million years.....fighters guild chain crushes it.
Plus where the DPS?
4 -
Inzababa✭✭✭no, I want them to be nerfed because they are currently able to solo 2 raids in pvp.
see what I did there?Resistance is FUtilezCivilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
Resistance is FUtilez1 -
Tweek✭✭✭no, I want them to be nerfed because they are currently able to solo 2 raids in pvp.
see what I did there?
LOL which ones and please reference skills and why they can solo them.
You're not being very specific.
Also mist form lasts the whole of 4 seconds......then you have to recast.....meanwhile you're getting flurried by silver bolts.....which can one shot for 1750+....insta vamp kill.
L2P.maxilaub17_ESO wrote: »just one last thing, the vamp ultimate in these cases is spammable repeatedly, which is what makes it OP.
NO it isn't.
INHALE is better which is an active ability in my DK tree line....and uhhhh not an ultimate and is spammable.
Also the ability itself is NOT OP.....this is what the fighter guild tree line is for.
I seen a vamp use bat swarm.....three of them on me the other day in skull crusher.
I killed them all in about a minute with the fighters guild skill chain.
Please L2P.
Also the fighters guild chain should be nerfed a tad and the vamp ultimate should be made to be more powerful...as I destroy vampires ALL THE TIME in PvP.
I love the pretense of a vampire (you) making believe they are too week by pretending to be the class that is strong against them... nice try!
I've read some of your other posts, your main is definitely a vampire, even if you have alt that are not.
Fighters guild isn't a class....I'm done here all of you are obviously clueless.
This skill tree is not OP.....that video was showcasing how emperors are OP....which they are.
I'm done here. You guys have fun raging over game mechnaics that aren't broken. The devs know they aren't broken and that you guys just need to L2P.
Just letting you know once one thing is nerfed the good players will play a new build/respec to suit the new patch notes. I always do this. So for the love of god stuff raging and play the damn game.Edited by Tweek on April 21, 2014 7:40PM2