Would we like to see a AoE taunt for tanks?
honey_badger82
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I have 2 tanks I play and one of them I have given up using the inner range taunt on, I find it more effective to use a gap closer then pierce armor. I cant count how many times I kept taunting the same enemy straight in front of me when trying to target a ranged enemy much further away. Also many of the dungeons have mobs so large its impossible for the tank to control anything past the first 2 seconds of the fight and even worse when the dps or healer runs in first and steals the initial aggro.
Aside from voting consider putting how you would implement a AoE taunt if your for it. If you disagree and comment be constructive, there is way to much toxicity on this forum as it is.
Personally I would change the undaunted ranged taunt as such:
Base cost: 4320 magicka or stamina, whichever max is LOWER (high enough to be useful but too high to spam and constantly overcast)
Range: 22m with radius of 10m and duration of 15 seconds
Base ability effect: Launch yourself up to 22m into combat with the enemy. Upon landing apply minor fracture & breach to all enemies inside radius for 10 sec.
Morph option 1: Same as base with- Stun enemies within the radius for 2 seconds upon landing. Activate a 2nd time @ half cost to taunt up to 3 additional enemies outside the radius, this ability can be activated once per cast.
Morph option 2a: Same as base, increase radius to 12m and duration of minor fracture & breach by 2 seconds. Activate a 2nd time @ half cost to stun all enemies in the radius for 2 sec, once per cast.
Morph option 2b: Same as 2a except for 2nd activation- Activate a 2nd time @ half cost to re-center AoE on your current position, refreshes taunt on all enemies within the new radius for the remaining time of initial cast. This does not re-apply minor fracture & breach to enemies not included in the initial cast.
Aside from voting consider putting how you would implement a AoE taunt if your for it. If you disagree and comment be constructive, there is way to much toxicity on this forum as it is.
Personally I would change the undaunted ranged taunt as such:
Base cost: 4320 magicka or stamina, whichever max is LOWER (high enough to be useful but too high to spam and constantly overcast)
Range: 22m with radius of 10m and duration of 15 seconds
Base ability effect: Launch yourself up to 22m into combat with the enemy. Upon landing apply minor fracture & breach to all enemies inside radius for 10 sec.
Morph option 1: Same as base with- Stun enemies within the radius for 2 seconds upon landing. Activate a 2nd time @ half cost to taunt up to 3 additional enemies outside the radius, this ability can be activated once per cast.
Morph option 2a: Same as base, increase radius to 12m and duration of minor fracture & breach by 2 seconds. Activate a 2nd time @ half cost to stun all enemies in the radius for 2 sec, once per cast.
Morph option 2b: Same as 2a except for 2nd activation- Activate a 2nd time @ half cost to re-center AoE on your current position, refreshes taunt on all enemies within the new radius for the remaining time of initial cast. This does not re-apply minor fracture & breach to enemies not included in the initial cast.
Would we like to see a AoE taunt for tanks? 154 votes
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Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoTanks are already one of the most important peeps in a group. The challenge of being a tank is knowing which enemies need to be aggroed and which ones can be left alone, while making sure to refresh aggro before it runs out.
In a world where tanks have an aoe taunt, DPS and healers in most content won't need to invest in survivability. Impatient DPS should be punished for rushing ahead, heals need to be on point when the tank can't absorb everything that is happening, and DPS need to put out enough damage so supoort doesn't get overwhelmed. In this way all roles can be relevant in content. Tanks can also deal with large groups of enemies with snares and skills that lock down enemies for a time.
If I'm playing DPS and a big minotaur is about to one shot me because I rushed ahead, it is on me to be aware of the telegraph so that I can either dodge roll (best damage mitigation in the game) or block (can work in normal, but might die in vet due to being built for damage). As long as the game is performing properly (not overly lagging or high ping) a tank should be able to grab priority enemy aggro while the rest of the team deal with the rest of the enemies.Edited by Artim_X on August 8, 2020 4:18PM(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Absolutely not (without a complete group content overhaul)!
ESO's group content is explicitly designed to NOT allow the tank to hold aggro on everything. It's intended for DDs and healers to have to deal with mob aggro and some boss attacks. Changing that equation with an AOE taunt would make group content way too easy and simplistic unless ZOS also overhauled all group content to account for the massive change in group tactics.
I really don't want my tanking experience to turn into AOE taunting everything and permablocking until everything's dead while the healer heals me.
I actually like having to concentrate on priority targets and use CCs creatively to control the battlefield to the benefit of my teams.11 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoAoE taunt will make tanking much more boring because the game is not built for it, a lot of dungeons require dds to deal with the extra adds. There are never too many adds that tank need to taunt.3 -
CyberSkooma✭✭✭✭✭NoAs VaranisArano said, all of the content has been made around the current taunting system. An AOE taunt just can't be introduced without breaking things.I play this game a little bit I guess1 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoOnce they do that, the game literally will be a DPS race. There already is too little punishment for DPS IMO2 -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭When I first started to play the game in beta, not having an AOE taunt really threw me off, especially as I had just come off maining a tank in another game. Time progressed, and I began to understand the game and its mechanics a bit more. I now understand the design choice, and like it. And Varanis is absolutely correct, it would require a rework of all group encounters, as well as some sets functionality, and probably some sustain and mitigation issues that would arise.3 -
honey_badger82✭✭✭✭Definitely great feedback! Its good to hear that not everyone expects the tank to control everyone, all the time. Unfortunately many groups I have been with love to accuse the tank for them getting mobbed by 20 adds and dying when really that happened because they ran ahead or couldn't burn any of them to make the mob more controllable once combat was engaged.
Currently the way I run one of my tanks its almost like I have an AoE taunt when the group lets me lead. Stampede lets me leap right in well ahead of anyone else and subsequent casts lets me connect more spread out groups before I switch to sword and shield for low slash.
My original thought was that it would be nice to have an AoE taunt but I can definitely agree with all points against it. Turning one of my tanks into a 2h DPS back bar has made him 10x more fun to play and still allows me to control what I need.
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gatekeeper13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesWith the number of DDs that leave group behind and aggro everything in dungeons lately, an AOE taunt skill is definitely needed.
Those who don't like it, will not be forced to use it.
Edited by gatekeeper13 on August 8, 2020 4:58PM4 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nogatekeeper13 wrote: »With the number of DDs that leave group behind and aggro everything in dungeons lately, an AOE taunt skill is definitely needed.
Those who don't like it, will not be forced to use it.
Well, obviously they will when new mechanics/balance happen, counting on the existence of such a skill...
PS If dds engage & die, they deserve it.Edited by zvavi on August 8, 2020 5:03PM6 -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭gatekeeper13 wrote: »With the number of DDs that leave group behind and aggro everything in dungeons lately, an AOE taunt skill is definitely needed.
Those who don't like it, will not be forced to use it.
If people want to run ahead and clean the area, that's fine by me. If they dye from it, then hopefully they learn. But yeah, this increasing trend has been really bad lately. I guess saving two minutes per dungeon adds up when people are farming leads.0 -
gatekeeper13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yesgatekeeper13 wrote: »With the number of DDs that leave group behind and aggro everything in dungeons lately, an AOE taunt skill is definitely needed.
Those who don't like it, will not be forced to use it.
If people want to run ahead and clean the area, that's fine by me. If they dye from it, then hopefully they learn. But yeah, this increasing trend has been really bad lately. I guess saving two minutes per dungeon adds up when people are farming leads.
The problem is if they die, they will start yelling "taunt the mobs, useless tank" and kick you from group. I know because it has happened to me. When DDs start running and leave group behind, I follow them slowly without sprinting and let them deal with the trash mobs by themselves.Edited by gatekeeper13 on August 8, 2020 5:07PM0 -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭A lot of tanks right now run lightning staff back bars, used to be bows. Some have also used Caltrops from the Assault line. Lets them get an AoE to tag more mobs first, apply the crushing enchant, and with the lightning can set them off balance. All of that can aid your DDs in wiping trash mobs faster. In the end as the tank, you can dictated to the party what you want. So ask them to let you tag first, which they should mostly be doing anyway. If not they can wait to fill the tank spot while you get an instant queue.Edited by BigBragg on August 8, 2020 5:12PM1 -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭gatekeeper13 wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »With the number of DDs that leave group behind and aggro everything in dungeons lately, an AOE taunt skill is definitely needed.
Those who don't like it, will not be forced to use it.
If people want to run ahead and clean the area, that's fine by me. If they dye from it, then hopefully they learn. But yeah, this increasing trend has been really bad lately. I guess saving two minutes per dungeon adds up when people are farming leads.
The problem is if they die, they will start yelling "taunt the mobs, useless tank" and kick you from group. I know because it has happened to me. When DDs start running and leave group behind, I follow them slowly without sprinting and let them deal with the trash mobs by themselves.
Something to learn from a healer perspective that also applies here. You can't heal stupid. So if they want to do dumb things and get killed from it, that is on them.Edited by BigBragg on August 8, 2020 5:15PM4 -
Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoTanking would be so boring if I had an AOE taunt. I'd just cast it a couple times to get everyone on me and just sit there holding block.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK1 -
Onomos✭✭✭NoThe tank's job is not to aggro everyone. It's to control the heavy hitters and the bosses. If the DD doesn't have high enough DPS, it's not the tank's fault they can't clear out trash mobs.Primary: DK Orc DC
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭For the groups that run ahead: "You aggro it, you tank it."
If they can handle it, great!
If they can't, I'll tank it when I get there and laugh like crazy if they die.8 -
Darkstorne✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No
This. And tanks have access to AOE fears/disables anyway. The trick is to use ranged pulls to group everything together, lock them in place, and let DDs AOE everything down. Taunting is only really needed for the few mobs/bosses that can't be pulled and locked in place.The tank's job is not to aggro everyone. It's to control the heavy hitters and the bosses. If the DD doesn't have high enough DPS, it's not the tank's fault they can't clear out trash mobs.
If you're asking for an AOE taunt, you don't understand how the group combat mechanics work in ESO. You're just assuming it works like a previous MMO you've played.Edited by Darkstorne on August 8, 2020 5:46PM2 -
dcam86b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesI would like to see more skill morphs specific to that role tree.
Tank skill Tree-x skill taunts per stack
dps skill tree-x skill will do more damage if boss is taunted
healer skill tree-x skill will heal more if members are x meters from boss
idk something more than just flat skills but I understand why they do this bc of the pvp and pve aspects.1 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoVaranisArano wrote: »For the groups that run ahead: "You aggro it, you tank it."
If they can handle it, great!
If they can't, I'll tank it when I get there and laugh like crazy if they die.
Healthy thinking.3 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭gatekeeper13 wrote: »With the number of DDs that leave group behind and aggro everything in dungeons lately, an AOE taunt skill is definitely needed.
Those who don't like it, will not be forced to use it.
Not actually true. An AOE taunt would make old content extremely cheesable: just stack defense, taunt everything, and permablock while the healer keeps you alive and the DDs slaughter everything in sight with no risk to them. It would be the most efficient way to run dungeons: the new meta. Once groups expect that and build for what's a very simple tactic, everyone would effectively be forced to use the AOE taunt. Not doing so would be obviously harmful to your groupmates.
In a sense, it's sort of like taking the waterfall shortcut in Fungal Grotto 1. Do you have to? No, technically not, but if your groupmates expect you to, you'll be SOL when it comes to making it to the final boss in time if you don't. You are effectively forced to follow along or lose out.2 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoNo, but I might feel differently on console.
I like having to juggle multiple hard hitters on some group content. I also use the addon that gives me an idea how long of a taunt I have left to optimize resource use. If I was on console, I would probably vote to have an AOE taunt in that case because I wouldn't be attentive enough to keep track of when taunts were going to lapse on each so I would prefer to just track a single taunt for all the baddies I'm managing.
Making the AOE taunt really costly with no other upside could help, while allowing the single target taunts to have powerful secondary effects (that also apply during boss fights).0 -
Skykaiser_Ọlọrun✭✭✭YesIt doesn't need to be some massive, room-spanning AoE. Just a small cone effect so I'm not wrestling with the garbage targeting in situations where I need to control multiple, overlapping mobs.
No, it's not impossible to make do without it. Obviously.
It's just needlessly cumbersome.1 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoNo, because ZOS is seriously considering implementing AOE cooldowns instead of properly fixing their game, and it would REALLY suck if the healer died because the tank only slotted their AOE taunt and was on cooldown when they lost aggro...Edited by Aurielle on August 8, 2020 8:00PM1 -
Thechuckage✭✭✭✭✭Nogatekeeper13 wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »With the number of DDs that leave group behind and aggro everything in dungeons lately, an AOE taunt skill is definitely needed.
Those who don't like it, will not be forced to use it.
If people want to run ahead and clean the area, that's fine by me. If they dye from it, then hopefully they learn. But yeah, this increasing trend has been really bad lately. I guess saving two minutes per dungeon adds up when people are farming leads.
The problem is if they die, they will start yelling "taunt the mobs, useless tank" and kick you from group. I know because it has happened to me. When DDs start running and leave group behind, I follow them slowly without sprinting and let them deal with the trash mobs by themselves.
If an AOE taunt is added, this will only exacerbate the issue. DPS will expect the tank to be running it so will rush ahead and try to grab more stuff, regardless if the tank can handle it. Or is switching out skills/equipment.
Seems like this would turn us into walking taunt totems. And if you dont think you'd get kicked for not running it if they are kicking without it............1 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoIf you let the tank go first they can usually control most the room anyway. A stray archer or two might need cleaning up after most the mob is down but there are ways to handle that also.
If the healer or DPS gets a pesky evil doer on them they can run it to the tank and if the tank is paying attention they will grab the evil doer.
An AoE taunt would make tanking really boring.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2 -
OlumoGarbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭IndifferentWhat are you guys even discussing here?
Aoe taunt will come with the next patch if you like it or not. You can even backbar it. And with tormentor + stampede you can use it on any class
http://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=243576
Switch oblivions for ebon, backbar tormentor and you will have next patches meta pve tank. Your welcome.class representative for the working class, non-cp, bwb and Trolling1 -
Wandering_Immigrant✭✭✭✭Nogatekeeper13 wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »With the number of DDs that leave group behind and aggro everything in dungeons lately, an AOE taunt skill is definitely needed.
Those who don't like it, will not be forced to use it.
If people want to run ahead and clean the area, that's fine by me. If they dye from it, then hopefully they learn. But yeah, this increasing trend has been really bad lately. I guess saving two minutes per dungeon adds up when people are farming leads.
The problem is if they die, they will start yelling "taunt the mobs, useless tank" and kick you from group. I know because it has happened to me. When DDs start running and leave group behind, I follow them slowly without sprinting and let them deal with the trash mobs by themselves.
Perhaps intentionally lagging behind and leaving your group out to dry is the reason you've been kicked?
I don't particularly care if a DPS wants to run ahead or not. I actually like when my DPS show some sign of aggressive tendencies and am perfectly confident in my ability to gain control of the room once I get there. I'll sprint or not sprint based on how much stamina I have, which is obviously affected by the support I'm getting from the healer, and I expect my DPS to recognize whether there's any synergies being placed or not and to play accordingly. You'd be surprised how competent and understanding people become when you don't intentional play poorly just to prove a point and instead work with the tools you're given as group. I've never once in 3 years been called useless or been kicked as a tank.
I liken tanks who intentionally lag behind and then play the the 'you agro it you tank it' game to drivers on the highway who pull out in front of you in the passing lane and then proceed to continue driving at the same slow speed they were driving at in their slow people lane holding up a line of traffic behind them. I'm pretty sure we would all vote to kick those people off the road if we could.0 -
Wandering_Immigrant✭✭✭✭NoIn fact if I'm on a DPS or even a healer and I end up with a tank who wants to stand there contemplating the meaning of life before every pull, I'll eventually start doing the pulls myself, because somebody has to do the dirty work.0
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AgaTheGreat✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoUsually tanks who want aoe tanunt are newbs. Real tanks know which mobs are priority plus in trials you can't aoe taunt everything since main and off tanks have different priority mobs.
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