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Would we like to see a AoE taunt for tanks?
I have 2 tanks I play and one of them I have given up using the inner range taunt on, I find it more effective to use a gap closer then pierce armor. I cant count how many times I kept taunting the same enemy straight in front of me when trying to target a ranged enemy much further away. Also many of the dungeons have mobs so large its impossible for the tank to control anything past the first 2 seconds of the fight and even worse when the dps or healer runs in first and steals the initial aggro.
Aside from voting consider putting how you would implement a AoE taunt if your for it. If you disagree and comment be constructive, there is way to much toxicity on this forum as it is.
Personally I would change the undaunted ranged taunt as such:
Base cost: 4320 magicka or stamina, whichever max is LOWER (high enough to be useful but too high to spam and constantly overcast)
Range: 22m with radius of 10m and duration of 15 seconds
Base ability effect: Launch yourself up to 22m into combat with the enemy. Upon landing apply minor fracture & breach to all enemies inside radius for 10 sec.
Morph option 1: Same as base with- Stun enemies within the radius for 2 seconds upon landing. Activate a 2nd time @ half cost to taunt up to 3 additional enemies outside the radius, this ability can be activated once per cast.
Morph option 2a: Same as base, increase radius to 12m and duration of minor fracture & breach by 2 seconds. Activate a 2nd time @ half cost to stun all enemies in the radius for 2 sec, once per cast.
Morph option 2b: Same as 2a except for 2nd activation- Activate a 2nd time @ half cost to re-center AoE on your current position, refreshes taunt on all enemies within the new radius for the remaining time of initial cast. This does not re-apply minor fracture & breach to enemies not included in the initial cast.
Aside from voting consider putting how you would implement a AoE taunt if your for it. If you disagree and comment be constructive, there is way to much toxicity on this forum as it is.
Personally I would change the undaunted ranged taunt as such:
Base cost: 4320 magicka or stamina, whichever max is LOWER (high enough to be useful but too high to spam and constantly overcast)
Range: 22m with radius of 10m and duration of 15 seconds
Base ability effect: Launch yourself up to 22m into combat with the enemy. Upon landing apply minor fracture & breach to all enemies inside radius for 10 sec.
Morph option 1: Same as base with- Stun enemies within the radius for 2 seconds upon landing. Activate a 2nd time @ half cost to taunt up to 3 additional enemies outside the radius, this ability can be activated once per cast.
Morph option 2a: Same as base, increase radius to 12m and duration of minor fracture & breach by 2 seconds. Activate a 2nd time @ half cost to stun all enemies in the radius for 2 sec, once per cast.
Morph option 2b: Same as 2a except for 2nd activation- Activate a 2nd time @ half cost to re-center AoE on your current position, refreshes taunt on all enemies within the new radius for the remaining time of initial cast. This does not re-apply minor fracture & breach to enemies not included in the initial cast.
Would we like to see a AoE taunt for tanks? 153 votes
Yes
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No
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Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭NoTanks are already one of the most important peeps in a group. The challenge of being a tank is knowing which enemies need to be aggroed and which ones can be left alone, while making sure to refresh aggro before it runs out.
In a world where tanks have an aoe taunt, DPS and healers in most content won't need to invest in survivability. Impatient DPS should be punished for rushing ahead, heals need to be on point when the tank can't absorb everything that is happening, and DPS need to put out enough damage so supoort doesn't get overwhelmed. In this way all roles can be relevant in content. Tanks can also deal with large groups of enemies with snares and skills that lock down enemies for a time.
If I'm playing DPS and a big minotaur is about to one shot me because I rushed ahead, it is on me to be aware of the telegraph so that I can either dodge roll (best damage mitigation in the game) or block (can work in normal, but might die in vet due to being built for damage). As long as the game is performing properly (not overly lagging or high ping) a tank should be able to grab priority enemy aggro while the rest of the team deal with the rest of the enemies.Edited by Artim_X on August 8, 2020 4:18PM(AD) Artim X |PC/NA| Primary Guild: Storm Guides NA Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer.
My Easygoing BuildsElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/hokMyu1PAKfJK/giphy.gif
Proc free DPS build for when a tank isn't holding bosses in place and for times where one is not getting buffed by a healer.
Gear: 5 Netch's Touch (All apparel Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 2 Slimecraw (All Divines. 1 med/1 heavy. Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame enchant).
Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Hardened Ward (Twilight Tormentor if one can somewhat trust both the heals and tank to keep you alive), Lightning Flood, and Power Overload.
Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Streak, Shock Reach, Dampen Magic (Twilight Tormentor if one can somewhat trust both the healer and tank to keep you alive), Unstable Wall of Storms, and Thunderous Rage.
Electric-Burn[url="https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gif[/url]
DPS build for more organized groups.
Gear: 5 Burning Spellweave (All apparel Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 2 Grothdarr (All Divines. 1 med/1 heavy. Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Inferno Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame enchant).
Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Hardened Ward (Twilight Tormentor if one can somewhat trust both the heals and tank to keep you alive), Lightning Flood, and Power Overload.
Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Streak, Flame Reach, Dampen Magic (Twilight Tormentor if one can somewhat trust both the healer and tank to keep you alive), Unstable Wall of Fire, and Fiery Rage.
Electric-Cool[url="https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif[/url]
Utility focused DPS build that is capable of tanking normal dungeons and vet non dlc dungeons, but it does not provide enough tank based buffs/debuffs to warrant it's use in trials/vet dlc dungeons and due to the limits of damage shields it would be too much of a liability due to the sheer number of potential one-shot mechanics that a pure tank would have an easier time dealing with.
Gear: 5 Icy Conjuror (All apparel Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 2 Iceheart (All Divines. 1 med/1 heavy. Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Ice Staff (infused/ice enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame enchant).
Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath (Elemental Drain in vet content if healer isn't using it), Hardened Ward, Lightning Flood, and Power Overload (Replenishing Barrier when healer isn't keeping others alive).
Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Streak (Inner Rage when dealing with multiple bosses), Frost Reach (Restraining Prison when I want to lock enemies down), Dampen Magic, Unstable Wall of Frost, and Icy Rage (Aggressive Horn when DPS is decent).
Electric-Healhttps://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gif
My healer build that I for the most part only use in normal dungeons/trials or in Vet premades, since playing with randoms tend to result in me being in a group that lacks DPS, has a fake tank, or both.
Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 2 spell critical monster set pieces when I don't feel like using spell crit pots, Grothdarr when I want to do more damage, Bogdan when I want more HoTs, Symphony of Blades to provide more emergency resources, or Earthgore when I feel like it would make a significant difference (All Divines. 1 med/1 heavy. Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (infused with weapon damage enchant).
Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge (Power Surge for more heals), Boundless Storm, Combat Prayer, Ward Ally (Twilight Matriarch for another burst heal and damage), Energy Orb, and Replenishing Barrier.
Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Hardened Ward (Twilight Matriarch for another burst heal and damage), Unstable Wall of Storms, and Aggressive Horn.
Electric-Vamphttps://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gif
Tanky utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players, but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (3 heavy body pieces, light waist, and medium hands. All Impenetrable. Max Mag Enchants), 2 heavy Mighty Chudan (All Impenetrable. Max Mag Enchants), and Knight Slayer jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant. Same enchant as lightning in order to maintain consistent pressure regardless of which staff you're heavy attacking with). [When more focused on damage will change Chudan pieces to medium and light. Also all my Torug body pieces to light except the chest that stays heavy].
Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Consuming Trap, Haunting Curse, Ward Ally, Rapid Regeneration, and Life Giver (or Soul Assault).
Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Elusive Mist, Rune Cage, Hardened Ward, Efficient Purge, and Shooting Star.
Electric-Wardhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gif
Damage shield tank designed to help my guildmates clear vet dungeons when a typical tank isn't available.
Gear: 5 Brands of the Imperium (All Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 2 Mother Ciannait (All Divines. 1 med/1 light. Max Mag Enchants). Combat Physician jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/Ice Staff (infused/crusher). Blackrose Restoration Staff (doesn't have to be the perfect version. infused/hardening enchant).
Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Inner Rage, Boundless Storm, Ward Ally, and Replenishing Barrier.
Ability-Bar 2: Deep Thoughts, Bound Aegis, Restraining Prison (Elemental Drain in vet content if healer isn't using it), Unstable Wall of Frost, Hardened Ward, and Temporal Guard.
PvE Starter Gearhttps://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gif
Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap. Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
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High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
Mundus Stoneshttps://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gif
PvP: The Atronach.
PvE: I will almost always use the Atronach in this content as well (especially if I'm healing in PvE or playing it safe while solo). However, in a strong group other Mundus Stones can be effective (Thief is what I would use in a serious group as a healer. As DPS I would use Shadow or Lover depending on group), since a heavy attack rotation will ensure that you're always restoring magicka at a decent rate. When using electric-ward in vet content I will always use the Lady to reach 25k+ physical/spell resistances.
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Mag Sorc: More focused on damage, since changing CP isn't free. Mage: Elfborn (56), Spell Erosion (22), Elemental Expert (64), Staff Expert (44), Master-at-Arms (9), and Thaumaturge (75). Warrior: Ironclad (34), Resistant (8), Light Armor Focus (12), Hardy (32), Elemental Defender (32), Thick Skinned (31), Expert Defender (33), Bastion (56), and Quick Recovery (32). Thief: Warlord (31), Sprinter (6), Bashing Focus (6), Arcanist (75), Tenacity (75), Shade (25), Tumbling (26), and Shadow Ward (26).
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Mag Sorc: (In your gameplay settings turn on quick cast ground abilities) Buff up with Boundless and Surge, weapon swap immediately after casting the previous skill, drop Rage if it's active (only drop it on significant bosses or in situations with lots of enemies where you know you'll have the ult filled up by the next boss), Reach, Unstable, quickly weapon swap, Liquid Flood, two heavy attacks, activate either Surge or Boundless, cancel the animation of the buff used with a weapon swap, and repeat. If you have an excessive amount of ult and you're dealing with trash mobs activate overload before performing the rotation, but don't heavy attack for too long. If you have enough ult for Rage while you're fighting a serious boss and you're in the middle of the rotation just focus on activating the ultimate, afterwards either continue the rotation or start from scratch. During the execute phase (around 20% health) replace the second heavy attack with about 4 Mages' Wrath, but if boss is melting quickly just keep spamming Wrath (hold heavy attack while spamming Wrath). When using Twilight Tormentor only use the active ability before a fight and at times where you aren't actively engaging the boss.
When frost staff tanking a single boss buff up with Boundless and Surge, weapon swap immediately after casting the previous skill, heavy attack with the ice staff, drop Rage if it's active, Reach/Restraining (at times can be replaced with an additional lightning staff heavy for sustain), Unstable, quickly weapon swap, Lightning Flood, one heavy attack (two if Reach isn't used), activate either Surge or Boundless, cancel the animation of the buff used with a weapon swap, one heavy attack, and repeat. If frost staff tanking multiple bosses buff up with Boundless and Surge, weapon swap immediately after casting the previous skill, heavy attack with the ice staff each enemy, drop Rage if it's active, Unstable, quickly weapon swap, Lightning Flood, heavy attack priority boss in order to proc IA (pink smoke), activate either Surge or Boundless, cancel the animation of the buff used with a weapon swap, heavy attack all the bosses, and repeat. Can also slot in Inner Rage and forego heavy attacking with the ice staff. If using inner rage after getting aggro perform the DPS oriented rotation and retake aggro after 1 rotation. Most challenging bosses to keep aggroed will be the Pact in the Blessed Crucible and the knights in the White-Gold Tower, since you need to keep 3 enemies taunted, but they can also be locked down with Restraining. During the execute phase on a single target (around 20% health) replace the second heavy attack with a partial heavy attack in order to proc IA and around 4 Mages' Wrath, but if boss is melting quickly just keep spamming Wrath (hold block while spamming Wrath).
When healing in PvE just keep all support skills and Unstable up. Heavy attack primarily with a restoration staff whenever you can. Be reactive with your heals (when someone is scratched use ward ally and top them off with some Prayers). When taking a lot of continuous damage make sure to have all buffs/debuffs up while keeping Energy Orb active in the group. At the boss use the horn ult, but only when the group has decent survivability and damage. If too many players lack survivability then use the barrier ult to make life easier (longer fight, but less risk of death). Can use barrier when dealing with trash mobs (gives back ult).
In PvP you'll rarely be in a scenario where you can perform a PvE esque rotation with AOE unless you're performing a single target burst. For the most part just stun peeps whenever possible, apply dots, and heavy attack them a few times. Rinse and repeat till they die and use ults as needed, but make sure to keep your health and shields up whenever you take significant damage (might have to keep one's distance if a dk is using a skill like draw essence). When in a high pressure situation stay on the lightning staff bar and keep hardened ward up while stunning and heavy attacking hostiles make sure to keep primary buffs up, heal up, purge, and shield stack as needed. When dealing with a large amount of enemy players alongside your faction keep your distance from friendlies (avoid bombs). If you get debuffs on you be careful not to overuse efficient purge, which is still quite costly. If not grouped up do not bother using purge on a debuffed friendly, since it will not affect them at all.
In PvE and PvP make sure to utilize tab target to keep track of priority enemies. Use streak in PvE for mag based movement that also allows you to stun a group of enemies. Use elusive mist for mag based movement, snare removal, and damage mitigation in PvP (can also be used in stealth, but will pop you out of a hidden state for a brief moment).
In PvP when solo taking a resource ride your mount towards the tower, aggro the two guards at the front of the entrance, then head on inside the tower, buff up, purge, head up the stairs, kill everyone that follows especially the mage guard, kill everyone on the flag, and flip.
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Gold Food for PvE:
(DPS) Corrupting Bloody Mara (increases Max Magicka by 4620, Max Health by 5051, and Health Recovery by 505 for 2 hours). If a vampire use font of loss furnishing to decrease vampirism to stage 1 to benefit from health recovery.
Gold Food for PvP and PvE:
(PvP healer/PvE serious tank) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours).
Trash Potions when feeling cheap:
Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
Crafted Potions:
Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Absolutely not (without a complete group content overhaul)!
ESO's group content is explicitly designed to NOT allow the tank to hold aggro on everything. It's intended for DDs and healers to have to deal with mob aggro and some boss attacks. Changing that equation with an AOE taunt would make group content way too easy and simplistic unless ZOS also overhauled all group content to account for the massive change in group tactics.
I really don't want my tanking experience to turn into AOE taunting everything and permablocking until everything's dead while the healer heals me.
I actually like having to concentrate on priority targets and use CCs creatively to control the battlefield to the benefit of my teams. -
CyberSkooma✭✭✭✭NoAs VaranisArano said, all of the content has been made around the current taunting system. An AOE taunt just can't be introduced without breaking things.ESO Streamer and Twitch Affiliate. GM of Overdrive. -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭When I first started to play the game in beta, not having an AOE taunt really threw me off, especially as I had just come off maining a tank in another game. Time progressed, and I began to understand the game and its mechanics a bit more. I now understand the design choice, and like it. And Varanis is absolutely correct, it would require a rework of all group encounters, as well as some sets functionality, and probably some sustain and mitigation issues that would arise. -
Definitely great feedback! Its good to hear that not everyone expects the tank to control everyone, all the time. Unfortunately many groups I have been with love to accuse the tank for them getting mobbed by 20 adds and dying when really that happened because they ran ahead or couldn't burn any of them to make the mob more controllable once combat was engaged.
Currently the way I run one of my tanks its almost like I have an AoE taunt when the group lets me lead. Stampede lets me leap right in well ahead of anyone else and subsequent casts lets me connect more spread out groups before I switch to sword and shield for low slash.
My original thought was that it would be nice to have an AoE taunt but I can definitely agree with all points against it. Turning one of my tanks into a 2h DPS back bar has made him 10x more fun to play and still allows me to control what I need.
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gatekeeper13✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesWith the number of DDs that leave group behind and aggro everything in dungeons lately, an AOE taunt skill is definitely needed.
Those who don't like it, will not be forced to use it.
Edited by gatekeeper13 on August 8, 2020 4:58PM -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nogatekeeper13 wrote: »With the number of DDs that leave group behind and aggro everything in dungeons lately, an AOE taunt skill is definitely needed.
Those who don't like it, will not be forced to use it.
Well, obviously they will when new mechanics/balance happen, counting on the existence of such a skill...
PS If dds engage & die, they deserve it.Edited by zvavi on August 8, 2020 5:03PM -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭gatekeeper13 wrote: »With the number of DDs that leave group behind and aggro everything in dungeons lately, an AOE taunt skill is definitely needed.
Those who don't like it, will not be forced to use it.
If people want to run ahead and clean the area, that's fine by me. If they dye from it, then hopefully they learn. But yeah, this increasing trend has been really bad lately. I guess saving two minutes per dungeon adds up when people are farming leads. -
gatekeeper13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yesgatekeeper13 wrote: »With the number of DDs that leave group behind and aggro everything in dungeons lately, an AOE taunt skill is definitely needed.
Those who don't like it, will not be forced to use it.
If people want to run ahead and clean the area, that's fine by me. If they dye from it, then hopefully they learn. But yeah, this increasing trend has been really bad lately. I guess saving two minutes per dungeon adds up when people are farming leads.
The problem is if they die, they will start yelling "taunt the mobs, useless tank" and kick you from group. I know because it has happened to me. When DDs start running and leave group behind, I follow them slowly without sprinting and let them deal with the trash mobs by themselves.Edited by gatekeeper13 on August 8, 2020 5:07PM -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭A lot of tanks right now run lightning staff back bars, used to be bows. Some have also used Caltrops from the Assault line. Lets them get an AoE to tag more mobs first, apply the crushing enchant, and with the lightning can set them off balance. All of that can aid your DDs in wiping trash mobs faster. In the end as the tank, you can dictated to the party what you want. So ask them to let you tag first, which they should mostly be doing anyway. If not they can wait to fill the tank spot while you get an instant queue.Edited by BigBragg on August 8, 2020 5:12PM -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭gatekeeper13 wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »With the number of DDs that leave group behind and aggro everything in dungeons lately, an AOE taunt skill is definitely needed.
Those who don't like it, will not be forced to use it.
If people want to run ahead and clean the area, that's fine by me. If they dye from it, then hopefully they learn. But yeah, this increasing trend has been really bad lately. I guess saving two minutes per dungeon adds up when people are farming leads.
The problem is if they die, they will start yelling "taunt the mobs, useless tank" and kick you from group. I know because it has happened to me. When DDs start running and leave group behind, I follow them slowly without sprinting and let them deal with the trash mobs by themselves.
Something to learn from a healer perspective that also applies here. You can't heal stupid. So if they want to do dumb things and get killed from it, that is on them.Edited by BigBragg on August 8, 2020 5:15PM -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭For the groups that run ahead: "You aggro it, you tank it."
If they can handle it, great!
If they can't, I'll tank it when I get there and laugh like crazy if they die. -
Darkstorne✭✭✭✭✭
✭No
This. And tanks have access to AOE fears/disables anyway. The trick is to use ranged pulls to group everything together, lock them in place, and let DDs AOE everything down. Taunting is only really needed for the few mobs/bosses that can't be pulled and locked in place.The tank's job is not to aggro everyone. It's to control the heavy hitters and the bosses. If the DD doesn't have high enough DPS, it's not the tank's fault they can't clear out trash mobs.
If you're asking for an AOE taunt, you don't understand how the group combat mechanics work in ESO. You're just assuming it works like a previous MMO you've played.Edited by Darkstorne on August 8, 2020 5:46PM -
dcam86b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭YesI would like to see more skill morphs specific to that role tree.
Tank skill Tree-x skill taunts per stack
dps skill tree-x skill will do more damage if boss is taunted
healer skill tree-x skill will heal more if members are x meters from boss
idk something more than just flat skills but I understand why they do this bc of the pvp and pve aspects. -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoVaranisArano wrote: »For the groups that run ahead: "You aggro it, you tank it."
If they can handle it, great!
If they can't, I'll tank it when I get there and laugh like crazy if they die.
Healthy thinking. -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭gatekeeper13 wrote: »With the number of DDs that leave group behind and aggro everything in dungeons lately, an AOE taunt skill is definitely needed.
Those who don't like it, will not be forced to use it.
Not actually true. An AOE taunt would make old content extremely cheesable: just stack defense, taunt everything, and permablock while the healer keeps you alive and the DDs slaughter everything in sight with no risk to them. It would be the most efficient way to run dungeons: the new meta. Once groups expect that and build for what's a very simple tactic, everyone would effectively be forced to use the AOE taunt. Not doing so would be obviously harmful to your groupmates.
In a sense, it's sort of like taking the waterfall shortcut in Fungal Grotto 1. Do you have to? No, technically not, but if your groupmates expect you to, you'll be SOL when it comes to making it to the final boss in time if you don't. You are effectively forced to follow along or lose out. -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoNo, but I might feel differently on console.
I like having to juggle multiple hard hitters on some group content. I also use the addon that gives me an idea how long of a taunt I have left to optimize resource use. If I was on console, I would probably vote to have an AOE taunt in that case because I wouldn't be attentive enough to keep track of when taunts were going to lapse on each so I would prefer to just track a single taunt for all the baddies I'm managing.
Making the AOE taunt really costly with no other upside could help, while allowing the single target taunts to have powerful secondary effects (that also apply during boss fights). -
Skykaiser_Ọlọrun✭✭✭YesIt doesn't need to be some massive, room-spanning AoE. Just a small cone effect so I'm not wrestling with the garbage targeting in situations where I need to control multiple, overlapping mobs.
No, it's not impossible to make do without it. Obviously.
It's just needlessly cumbersome. -
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✭✭✭✭NoNo, because ZOS is seriously considering implementing AOE cooldowns instead of properly fixing their game, and it would REALLY suck if the healer died because the tank only slotted their AOE taunt and was on cooldown when they lost aggro...Edited by Aurielle on August 8, 2020 8:00PM -
Thechuckage✭✭✭✭Nogatekeeper13 wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »With the number of DDs that leave group behind and aggro everything in dungeons lately, an AOE taunt skill is definitely needed.
Those who don't like it, will not be forced to use it.
If people want to run ahead and clean the area, that's fine by me. If they dye from it, then hopefully they learn. But yeah, this increasing trend has been really bad lately. I guess saving two minutes per dungeon adds up when people are farming leads.
The problem is if they die, they will start yelling "taunt the mobs, useless tank" and kick you from group. I know because it has happened to me. When DDs start running and leave group behind, I follow them slowly without sprinting and let them deal with the trash mobs by themselves.
If an AOE taunt is added, this will only exacerbate the issue. DPS will expect the tank to be running it so will rush ahead and try to grab more stuff, regardless if the tank can handle it. Or is switching out skills/equipment.
Seems like this would turn us into walking taunt totems. And if you dont think you'd get kicked for not running it if they are kicking without it............ -
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✭✭✭✭NoIf you let the tank go first they can usually control most the room anyway. A stray archer or two might need cleaning up after most the mob is down but there are ways to handle that also.
If the healer or DPS gets a pesky evil doer on them they can run it to the tank and if the tank is paying attention they will grab the evil doer.
An AoE taunt would make tanking really boring. -
OlumoGarbag✭✭✭✭✭IndifferentWhat are you guys even discussing here?
Aoe taunt will come with the next patch if you like it or not. You can even backbar it. And with tormentor + stampede you can use it on any class
http://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=243576
Switch oblivions for ebon, backbar tormentor and you will have next patches meta pve tank. Your welcome.class representative for the working class, non-cp, bwb and Trolling -
Nogatekeeper13 wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »With the number of DDs that leave group behind and aggro everything in dungeons lately, an AOE taunt skill is definitely needed.
Those who don't like it, will not be forced to use it.
If people want to run ahead and clean the area, that's fine by me. If they dye from it, then hopefully they learn. But yeah, this increasing trend has been really bad lately. I guess saving two minutes per dungeon adds up when people are farming leads.
The problem is if they die, they will start yelling "taunt the mobs, useless tank" and kick you from group. I know because it has happened to me. When DDs start running and leave group behind, I follow them slowly without sprinting and let them deal with the trash mobs by themselves.
Perhaps intentionally lagging behind and leaving your group out to dry is the reason you've been kicked?
I don't particularly care if a DPS wants to run ahead or not. I actually like when my DPS show some sign of aggressive tendencies and am perfectly confident in my ability to gain control of the room once I get there. I'll sprint or not sprint based on how much stamina I have, which is obviously affected by the support I'm getting from the healer, and I expect my DPS to recognize whether there's any synergies being placed or not and to play accordingly. You'd be surprised how competent and understanding people become when you don't intentional play poorly just to prove a point and instead work with the tools you're given as group. I've never once in 3 years been called useless or been kicked as a tank.
I liken tanks who intentionally lag behind and then play the the 'you agro it you tank it' game to drivers on the highway who pull out in front of you in the passing lane and then proceed to continue driving at the same slow speed they were driving at in their slow people lane holding up a line of traffic behind them. I'm pretty sure we would all vote to kick those people off the road if we could. -
NoIn fact if I'm on a DPS or even a healer and I end up with a tank who wants to stand there contemplating the meaning of life before every pull, I'll eventually start doing the pulls myself, because somebody has to do the dirty work.
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AgaTheGreat✭✭✭✭✭NoUsually tanks who want aoe tanunt are newbs. Real tanks know which mobs are priority plus in trials you can't aoe taunt everything since main and off tanks have different priority mobs.
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