Dear housing community how do you feel about Nord boat furnishing requiring vet trial achieve ?

TradoTheOne · July 2020

playfull_kitten wrote: »

2) i propose to ZOS to put the next OP DPS gear behind a housing or fishing achievement. Coz imo it's only fair the tables get turned.

So if you were a dedicated fisher or decorator? You would use BiS DPS gear for what? Its certainly not impossible to do vKA with what you can uptain now ingame?

Might have been me not quite reading the joke correctly 🙃

Batgirl · July 2020

Well, thrassian stranglers are locked behind fishing, and they were sought - after high demand item after greymoor release. 🤔 No big deal, people complained about having to fight for a fishing hole in artaeum in first few weeks, rather than having to do fishing per se.

As for OP, I've noticed that outside progress groups focusing on KA hardmode or triple, the new trial isnt very popular - and will be even less popular, with coming nerf to roaring apportunist set. On the other hand, take Sunspire - there are still lots of people requesting farmruns, progressing hms or running it for fun, basing on what i see in my guilds/ discord.

I do wish there were more boats and ships furnishings existing, and agree that they should be easily available, from crafting for example. I would love to have tools to make a fishing Village for example, with lots of different vessels that dont cost arm and leg.
I disagree, however, that housing enthusiasts are some special kind of players that never set foot in veteran content. I enjoy both dungeons, trials and housing, they are different aspects of the same game. Many member of my trial guild have spent hours tweaking and adding new stuff to their eso homes.

kaisernick · July 2020

I think the annoying thing is that people have asked for other boats for a long time and they finally give us a new one and its behind a vet trial.

Im not that fussed over it as after seeing it in my guild hall its less impressive that a imagined and wont really fit my forge and tel galen docks.

But i would like to see another boat to be added and fishing should get another as others have said before prehaps locked behind fishsing in the dlc zones.

Minyassa · July 2020

I didn't realize it was the VET trial required, and now I'm upset. Just doing the trial? Sure, I can do that with my guild. But I can't qualify for my guild's vet trial group because I don't do enough DPS and this is after doing the best I can with my gear and skills. I have a physical disability that prevents me from being able to keep up a perfect rotation or react with the right click at the right time for various things, so I will never qualify for our vet team. That means that as a physically disabled person, this particular housing furnishing is out of my reach due to my disability. Thanks, ZOS.

rrimöykk · July 2020

Weird. I do end game trials and housing. We do exist. It's rather easy to get so I wouldn't change anything.

There are many items behind achievements and such and I find it a good thing. Makes the reward worth it and not everything should be handed to you freely.

It's MMORPG, not Sims or Cities: Skylines.

Tigerseye · July 2020

yodased wrote: »

Everyone forget they offered two other boats for sale on murkmire launch right? Fishing and vka are not the only boats in game and im sure more will be added to crown store

This nord boat comes from vka is all.

Murkmire boat
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/murkmire-felucca-canopied/

All boats are not created equal.

Boats like the Murkmire boats look very in keeping with Topal Island, but far less so in most other places.

Nords, Bretons, Altmer, Dark Elves, Orcs and Redguards just wouldn't have boats like that next to their stone houses.

Argonians would and maybe Bosmer might (at a push); that is about it.

Tigerseye · July 2020

rrimöykk wrote: »

Weird. I do end game trials and housing. We do exist. It's rather easy to get so I wouldn't change anything.

There are many items behind achievements and such and I find it a good thing. Makes the reward worth it and not everything should be handed to you freely.

It's MMORPG, not Sims or Cities: Skylines.

You have, literally, written that directly under the comment of someone saying it is impossible for them.

The issue isn't requiring people to do things to get certain things.

The issue is giving people, who don't even do a certain area of the game, something they won't even use; while leaving people, who do the area of the game it is designed for, without any way to get it.

It's just inanely stupid and unthoughtful, in terms of design, quite frankly.

Tigerseye · July 2020

...and yes, I fully expect that last bit to disappear, very shortly.

Tigerseye · July 2020

Aelorin wrote: »

They seem to want boats to be a very special reward for hard activitities in the game.

I really would love the fishing boat, but I really can not get me to catch around 10.000 fish for the achievment. It's not like fishing is a 'fun' thing to do.

So second boat that is attainable is locked behind a vet trial. I've done trials but never a vet one. Maybe one day eh.

I've learned to live without boats, and you know what, it seems I can do just that

Fortunately, the only place I have boats, or particularly want a boat, is on Topal.

I wouldn't mind them elsewhere, but I can live without them and quite frankly, at this point, even if I did the trial, I wouldn't buy the stupid thing for 250K, if it's just intended to show off.

I decorate to make places look nice, not to show off my supposed prowess in a completely pointless game.

...and if people do just want to show off, give them a giant golden trophy furnishing with an "I Win" rosette on it and leave the things, that are (or should be) purely designed to make our houses look nice and/or lived-in, free to acquire within the scope of housing itself.

vestahls · July 2020

It's just their way of trying to force people to play things they don't like. Just like the Midyear Mayhem and IC events, or selling motifs for AP. "Oh you like fashion and housing? Why don't you try some content you're not interested in, maybe you'll like it!"

I guess it's also their attempt to justify certain game aspects existing, because they get so little engagement from the general playerbase.

Thannazzar · July 2020

You need a house with water(sea) to place it, so its limited to Forgremaster Falls, Arteum, Daggerfall overlook or Hundings, only Forgemaster has the right theme to make the boat work, that was a 4 day overpriced Crown house!

No loss for me then.

SeaUnicorn · July 2020

playfull_kitten wrote: »

1) if standing out in the crowd is so important to you, i feel terribly sorry for you. Obviously it must be a compensation for rl.
2) i propose to ZOS to put the next OP DPS gear behind a housing or fishing achievement. Coz imo it's only fair the tables get turned.

So you mean Thrassian Stranglers?

There are always options, you can:
1. Grind bunch of gold and buy the carry.
2. Work on completion of the trial

The boat is very underwhelming, not sure why people are so hung up on it. I really did not get it, I defeated Lord Falgravn on a highest difficulty and was awarded... a boat... to fish?.. Very confusing O_o
Statues of the Dragons were more suitable achievement furnishing for hard content completion imo.

Tigerseye · July 2020

TradoTheOne wrote: »

playfull_kitten wrote: »

2) i propose to ZOS to put the next OP DPS gear behind a housing or fishing achievement. Coz imo it's only fair the tables get turned.

So if you were a dedicated fisher or decorator? You would use BiS DPS gear for what? Its certainly not impossible to do vKA with what you can uptain now ingame?

Might have been me not quite reading the joke correctly 🙃

It's not a joke, she's just switching it around.

If a trial player (who may, or may not, also do housing) can get one of the only boats in the game, from trials, why can't a housing person get the best trial gear, from housing?

They may not necessarily need it, but then a trial player may not necessarily need a boat, either.

Tigerseye · July 2020

SeaUnicorn wrote: »

playfull_kitten wrote: »

1) if standing out in the crowd is so important to you, i feel terribly sorry for you. Obviously it must be a compensation for rl.
2) i propose to ZOS to put the next OP DPS gear behind a housing or fishing achievement. Coz imo it's only fair the tables get turned.

So you mean Thrassian Stranglers?

There are always options, you can:
1. Grind bunch of gold and buy the carry.
2. Work on completion of the trial

The boat is very underwhelming, not sure why people are so hung up on it. I really did not get it, I defeated Lord Falgravn on a highest difficulty and was awarded... a boat... to fish?.. Very confusing O_o
Statues of the Dragons were more suitable achievement furnishing for hard content completion imo.

You're missing the point.

Dovakhan · July 2020

Tigerseye wrote: »

I don't like it.

Even worse than that, someone was saying that some of the antiquities furnishings may only be available via PVP.

That's just all kinds of wrong...

If you mean PVP zones, that's not so wrong. Just invis all the way to the excavation sites.

I've managed to grab all the skyshards of Cyrodiil + IC minus the 4 faction-locked ones with my Vampire Nightblade crafter. 0 deaths.

Tammany · July 2020

I don't do trials but think this is fine, some items must be gated, thats standart stuff for mmorpgs.

volkeswagon · July 2020

i Don't think any furnishing should be hidden behind vet content as most who are into housing aren't into vet. I will have to get a carry

katanagirl1 · July 2020

Dovakhan wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

I don't like it.

Even worse than that, someone was saying that some of the antiquities furnishings may only be available via PVP.

That's just all kinds of wrong...

If you mean PVP zones, that's not so wrong. Just invis all the way to the excavation sites.

I've managed to grab all the skyshards of Cyrodiil + IC minus the 4 faction-locked ones with my Vampire Nightblade crafter. 0 deaths.

There are no dig sites in Cyro, but some of the treasure maps give leads there for other zones. Not a big deal, just go no cp campaign and you won’t see any players around.

The Alessia statue lead from Battlegrounds though, I haven’t got that one yet. I’ve done about a dozen BGs so far. Solo queuing has not improved the lack of enjoyment factor there.

Dovakhan · July 2020

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Dovakhan wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

I don't like it.

Even worse than that, someone was saying that some of the antiquities furnishings may only be available via PVP.

That's just all kinds of wrong...

If you mean PVP zones, that's not so wrong. Just invis all the way to the excavation sites.

I've managed to grab all the skyshards of Cyrodiil + IC minus the 4 faction-locked ones with my Vampire Nightblade crafter. 0 deaths.

There are no dig sites in Cyro, but some of the treasure maps give leads there for other zones. Not a big deal, just go no cp campaign and you won’t see any players around.

The Alessia statue lead from Battlegrounds though, I haven’t got that one yet. I’ve done about a dozen BGs so far. Solo queuing has not improved the lack of enjoyment factor there.

That's not true. There are always players on both servers.

rrimöykk · July 2020

Tigerseye wrote: »

rrimöykk wrote: »

Weird. I do end game trials and housing. We do exist. It's rather easy to get so I wouldn't change anything.

There are many items behind achievements and such and I find it a good thing. Makes the reward worth it and not everything should be handed to you freely.

It's MMORPG, not Sims or Cities: Skylines.

You have, literally, written that directly under the comment of someone saying it is impossible for them.

The issue isn't requiring people to do things to get certain things.

The issue is giving people, who don't even do a certain area of the game, something they won't even use; while leaving people, who do the area of the game it is designed for, without any way to get it.

It's just inanely stupid and unthoughtful, in terms of design, quite frankly.

I do zero pvp so I will never get those items from it. Fair? Yes. You can achieve everything in this game but not all should be easy.

I also will never finish the fishing achievement because that is something I won't want to spend my time so there goes that boat for me. Fair? Yes.

I love the idea some items are harder to get because after all it is, again, a MMO, not a housing simulator. There are tons of free items to get, not all should be achieved easily. You are more proud of items you work for.

Olauron · July 2020

rrimöykk wrote: »

I love the idea some items are harder to get because after all it is, again, a MMO, not a housing simulator. There are tons of free items to get, not all should be achieved easily. You are more proud of items you work for.

It is not an island defender simulator either, so it would be fair, I guess, to lock some BiS gear behind Count achievement, Grand Master Decorator achievement or something like this.
Housing is limited to 24 players while trials are limited to 12 players, so from the numbers point of view housing is more MMO than trials.

WaTeR-aBuSeR · July 2020

Minyassa wrote: »

I didn't realize it was the VET trial required, and now I'm upset. Just doing the trial? Sure, I can do that with my guild. But I can't qualify for my guild's vet trial group because I don't do enough DPS and this is after doing the best I can with my gear and skills. I have a physical disability that prevents me from being able to keep up a perfect rotation or react with the right click at the right time for various things, so I will never qualify for our vet team. That means that as a physically disabled person, this particular housing furnishing is out of my reach due to my disability. Thanks, ZOS.

Are you on PC NA? My guild may be able to help you.

Gaggin · July 2020

Its an achievement furnishing, you have to achieve something to get it. [Snip]

[Edited for rude content]

rrimöykk · July 2020

volkeswagon wrote: »

i Don't think any furnishing should be hidden behind vet content as most who are into housing aren't into vet. I will have to get a carry

I do both and most of my friends and guild members do too. Furnishing are behind so many achievements so then they would need to remove them all. Also some items are locke

Olauron wrote: »

rrimöykk wrote: »

I love the idea some items are harder to get because after all it is, again, a MMO, not a housing simulator. There are tons of free items to get, not all should be achieved easily. You are more proud of items you work for.

It is not an island defender simulator either, so it would be fair, I guess, to lock some BiS gear behind Count achievement, Grand Master Decorator achievement or something like this.
Housing is limited to 24 players while trials are limited to 12 players, so from the numbers point of view housing is more MMO than trials.

You seriously compare a house with 24 ppl to a 12 man vet trial? Lol. Makes no sense. That's an ACHIEVEMENT reward as it should be.

katanagirl1 · July 2020

Dovakhan wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Dovakhan wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

I don't like it.

Even worse than that, someone was saying that some of the antiquities furnishings may only be available via PVP.

That's just all kinds of wrong...

If you mean PVP zones, that's not so wrong. Just invis all the way to the excavation sites.

I've managed to grab all the skyshards of Cyrodiil + IC minus the 4 faction-locked ones with my Vampire Nightblade crafter. 0 deaths.

There are no dig sites in Cyro, but some of the treasure maps give leads there for other zones. Not a big deal, just go no cp campaign and you won’t see any players around.

The Alessia statue lead from Battlegrounds though, I haven’t got that one yet. I’ve done about a dozen BGs so far. Solo queuing has not improved the lack of enjoyment factor there.

That's not true. There are always players on both servers.

There are players somewhere in Cyro on even a low pop campaign, but many times I’ve done scouting quests or rode in for a treasure map and seen exactly 0 enemy players.

Cyro is a big map and the action tends to be near the keeps.

Olauron · July 2020

rrimöykk wrote: »

You seriously compare a house with 24 ppl to a 12 man vet trial? Lol. Makes no sense. That's an ACHIEVEMENT reward as it should be.

And I am talking about ACHIEVEMENT (do I need even bigger letters?) BiS set reward as it should be.
It makes no sense that 12-man trial is more MMO RPG than 24-man housing, since housing is more suited for massive online role playing.

TigerDRena · July 2020

It's a bit odd that a vet trial is required for a furniture like that. I personally haven't done any trials yet, and will still not do them in a very long time.

I don't think it was a very suitable choice to set that requirement because the main targets of those kind of furnitures are players that mostly just do housing, from what I've seen so far.

Seminolegirl1992 · July 2020

volkeswagon wrote: »

Yeah that's unmatched. Furnishing freaks don't do vet and vet trial nerds don't do housing.

Self proclaimed vet trial nerd and housing nerd. I like that trials are starting to offer more than just titles, dyes, gear...gives me more reason to do them. I can understand others' frustration about it though.

SilverBride · July 2020

Recent wrote: »

I personally think it's unfair to those of us who love housing but cant for reasons do vet trials. I can honestly say that after playing eso for many years ive yet to meet more than just a couple of endgamers that are into housing. They are rare.

I never liked the idea of anything being locked behind group content. The one exception being gear, because the best gear should be found in harder content.

But housing items? Really?

One of the best things about ESO is that there is something for everyone, and for every play style. Locking housing items in vet trials is ridiculous.

And while I'm at it, what's with locking some lorebooks in dungeons, and not near the entrance but past bosses? So we can't complete the lorebook part of the zone without running the dungeon.

I don't run dungeons because I don't always have time. I prefer things like dolmens, world bosses and Harrowstorms my for my group content, so I don't have to commit to a long period of time.

I could go on, but I'll just end with yes, I agree with the OP.

Minyassa · July 2020

WaTeR-aBuSeR wrote: »

Minyassa wrote: »

I didn't realize it was the VET trial required, and now I'm upset. Just doing the trial? Sure, I can do that with my guild. But I can't qualify for my guild's vet trial group because I don't do enough DPS and this is after doing the best I can with my gear and skills. I have a physical disability that prevents me from being able to keep up a perfect rotation or react with the right click at the right time for various things, so I will never qualify for our vet team. That means that as a physically disabled person, this particular housing furnishing is out of my reach due to my disability. Thanks, ZOS.

Are you on PC NA? My guild may be able to help you.

I am, and I'm PMing you. Thanks @WaTeR-aBuSeR.