Wolf81 wrote: »

Altyrann wrote: »

If sustain was in a better place for Magicka this would be great. As it stands a large number of people (incoming nerf aside) are using FGD for sustain, and typically want that on both bars for the cost reduction. That leaves this set either as front bar only which will dilute the value or 5pc full time, impacting either FGD or monster. As per the comments above, I'm not sure how many Mag setups currently have the spare resources for an extra magicka cast each second anyway to get value from it.

Basically this "sustain" is the Zos intentional clutch on certain dps marks/builds I'm sure of it. Sometimes I wonder if the community should lower their threshold expectations but at the same time player love to strive for higher and higher nothing wrong with that.

Is it their attempt to limit dps but the community does everything possible to avoid using heavy attacks to sustain because its boring and hurts dps far too much at the moment.

Ozby wrote: »

not sure why people think Medusa does not drop staves , Eso sets says it does and there is no stat bonus to melee on the set that would have had staves removed.

Probably because they never remembered looting one. I'm looking right at one in my inventory so...

DomstarX wrote: »

so while the majority of people is complaining about sustain issue nobody is considering to slot medusa and use the free spot from beast trap for spell symmetry. if you would frontbar symmetry you would still have the 2% max magicka from MG passives that you lose from slotting 1 more heavy piece than usually (missing undaunted bonus) additional you would get the extra regen from passives and can activate symmetry for some flat magicka. yes you would probably do slightly lower dps but the sustain issue should be gone, no shenanigans like charged staves or ult regen potions needed anymore (speaking for DKs here) and no more clunky heavy attacks in the middle of your rotation.

if you currently have sustain issue you are probably losing some dps to this anyway so opting for a comfy way to sustain may even be a dps gain.

Who would that be? Magblade and (improved) Sorc don't seem to need Spell Sym and their own sustain skills are preferrable as they have the bonus functionality of healing rather than damaging you and heal debuffing you. MagNecro sustain is fine as well because it's passively built into the siphon skill and spare parts passive. MagDK has the most issues but is wearing Elf Bane heavy set so that's not gonna happen.

That leaves Templar and Warden who both have severe sustain issues and can use Medusa. Though both have space for Spell Sym without having to drop Trap. You can always sacrifice a DoT for it (usually Entropy or Vamp Bane) and use more of your spammable instead. Easier than accommodating Medusa. They also have their own sustain skills.

If this was a light armor Tzogvin, it could potentially be front-barred on MagDK. The class that can ill-afford to drop dots from its bar because of how Elf Bane works. It would perhaps be an alternative to Elf-Bane + MS/Siroria.

Tested spell sym on magdk, it's always felt awful, it still feels negative to me but will I use it?

Yes, because it's better than heavy attacking.

Charged staff with altmer gives less heavy attacks/spell symmetry ( on average without ult pots need 3-5 depending on burning proc luck), that being said using trap and a different set than medusa I still have room for symmetry just not frontbar because inner light is superior on frontbar and outparse medusa parses.

Though I plan on testing in vMA with optimistic views but I also only go in that place when I'm extremely bored with literally nothing else to do because repetition never did appeal to me.

It's a convenience set but not by any means the best..

Would rather see scalding rune obtain minor force.

Front-barring this with PFG on body has added between 1.5-2k dps over my personal best since Greymoor launched. (~84k vs previous ~82k on magsorc). The set is good even just on frontbar, and it feels really good not needing to actively keep up minor force

Apox wrote: »

it wouldnt be an issue if theyd just add staves to its loot pool

i found the lightning staff tonight, I think the flame staff also exists

[Snip] its gonna be a bad set when its already proven to be better than mothers sorrow

even in weapons/jewelry its better than mothers sorrow

hell, even in jewelry and 2 heavy its better than mothers sorrow.

[Edited for bait]

Wolf81 wrote: »

I also notice the Treasure Hunter set is getting a buff in the spell damage from 100-171.
Though these sets like medusa are opinion of whether the bonus out weights the slot of using inner light and or potions for buffs.

Treasure hunter and rattlecage will never be desirable for people that don't mind chugging spell power pots. For everyone else, they're already viable as alternatives to the non-class sources of Major Prophecy and Sorcery (depending on the rest of your build, of course).

With a Sorc and Templar in the party (for Minor Sorcery and Minor Prophecy), and with Shadow Stone, Precise Weapon, and 2 Crit monster pieces -- you end up with a 93% crit rate...but only 3.7k Spell damage.

This does not seem like a bad trade.

Edit: That is with Shadow Stone and All Divines also, not Thief.

I lucked out. Got a lightning staff and inferno staff over the weekend to go along with a full suit of divines and all jewelry. I'll transmute the jewelry once the patch goes live as I don't trust ZOS enough to not make some last minute, unannounced change. But the weapons def drop. This set is fine as heavy as MagDKs have no problem with Elf Bane. This set change is good for the game. Now players can choose to run mother's sorrow and trap or this set. Unfortunately as a MagCro this won't allow me to play at range still because Blastbones doesn't work. But, no more trap is a good thing for me.

Tannus15 wrote: »

The change to sorc pets to scale off spell damage is awesome.

I was thinking that myself. I just can't decide if I want to swap back to stamina to play with the new spammable morph and all the juicy proc sets or stay mag to play with the new frags.

Still haven't gotten medusa staves yet, grr, but have the jewels, legs and chest.

Wolf81 wrote: »

And Mother's Sorrow acutally gets a "tiny" boost: Increase the Spell Critical this set grants to 1937, up from 1924.

Now i'm trying to figure out which set to replace my necropotence with on my petsorc that can still be paired with MG...I don't have PFG just yet since I returned.

Fyi, sorcerer pets will scale with both spell damage and max magicka next patch as supposed to only scale with max magucka on live server.

MrBrownstone wrote: »

Even if it is not a dps increase, i'd still use this instead of Mother's Sorrow. I just got lucky and dropped the whole set (yes, including the inferno Staff) in a single run. Can't wait to test it and if it works, I'm upgrading the jewelry

I should really farm it too, just in case. I think i have jewl and 2 armor pieces for now and miss only the staff. I also should grab my monster set in light instead.

If they changed it then Arx Corinium would be the only dungeon in the entire game to NOT follow the one heavy, one medium, one light set breakdown.

Why should they break established precedent simply to appease some folks who can't bring themselves to farm one of the easiest dungeons in the game?

And if someone then argues "Well, simply change Lamia's to Heavy!" then you are directly nerfing anyone who had already farmed that in body pieces, essentially dumpstering their entire set. That is hardly fair.

IMO, having sets drop in an off-weight adds nuance to builds and can force hard choices. Hard choices are, basically by definition, the most interesting choices and they are a hallmark of good game design.