ESO direly need a central auction house ...

ZOS_Ragnar · June 2020

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Easily_Lost · June 2020

Tammany wrote: »

Easily_Lost wrote: »

If you are on PC, you could try the add-on Nirn Auction House ( https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1768-NirnAuctionHouse.html ).

Costs nothing to post items. Buyers pay no fees. Seller pays COD cost.

Addon seems forgotten, does it work properly ?

I am still using it, and it is working fine. It does seem though that not as many people are using it.

Lysette · June 2020

So I read a few posts where people say, that a smaller guild couldn't get a trader or just in a totally remote location.

The solution to it is to not expect having a trader every week. Dependent on the amount of members and what they are willing to contribute to the guild those guilds could have a decent trader once a month for example. And if some now say, well that might be expensive for every member to achieve that - well, then you start to grasp, why trading guilds most often request a fee or decent sales numbers. Just trying yourself to get a trader and maintain it at least once a month might give you the idea, that it is not that bad what established trading guilds offer. And seriously, if someone cannot afford such a small weekly fee, he has most likely nothing of value to sell anyway and then it is better to gather stuff for 3 weeks and sell it in the 4th.

aenax · June 2020

You know technically we do have a central broker, its name in Tamriel Trade Center, but it is extremely inefficient even running to a merchant that was updated 5mn ago does not garantee that you will find what you want. On average i think that i hop to 3-4 traders before finding what i want.

Note that if we had the possibility to sell without a trading merchant (with a fee) we would see a much wider market, with lot o resources sold in small quantities and levelling gear (non cp 160 set etc ...).

Market manipulation will also certainly decrease since information will be much more available.

Dark_Lord_Kuro · June 2020

I prefer guild trader way more that a stupid cental merchant that overprice everyting
Its way more immersive to go shopping for what you need than go speak to 1 npc that somehow sell it all or a wooden board in the middle of the way

Knightpanther · June 2020

aenax wrote: »

First and foremost ALL MMO have one, Eq1 started without and so people were selling in a famous tunnel but a broker was added after 1-2 years.

If you wonder why we need one just watch Yale online course about free market, they speak about price transparency and the need to have no barrier to trade. When in the 18 century trade barrier, monopolies and custom were removed in my country "starvation" vanished since food could get properly allocated. Off course free market theory is irenic and we all know that most western economies were destroyed by globalization but we shall not discuss that here.

Currently Tamriel Trade center offers some sort of global view of the prices, but it generates unwanted flow of data toward a 3rd party entity, on top prices are often outdated and indeed guild manage to cheat to system in order to adertise with fake price (a bit like many supermarket).

Another add on (master merchant) generate huge number of requests to scan all the trade done and provide player with a price history. Again we get unwanted data flows.

Technically those overheads may be negligible (compare to the data flow of the regular gameplay), but it raise security issues for the game company, and it forces player to rely on 3rd party entities.

So a central broker would be way better.

Now i understand that we do have Traders and Trading guilds, and since it is part of the game we should find a way to keep this aspect of the game rewarding.

So here my proposal

- Add a central broker (it may be in any bank or only in capital etc... it does not matter).
- Buying from the central broker is costly since it adds a fee, as example 20%, people can still visit the trader and only pay the guild fee.
- Allow any player to sell directly (say from its capital bank), again this come with a fee, say 20% again.

So we get

Buy directly from guild trader, fee = guild fee
Buy from the central broker form a guild trader, fee= guild fee +20%
Buy from an individual player , directly (going the the target bank) : fee =20%
Buy from an individual player but from the central broker : fee = 20% +20% =40%.

This way trading guilds will remain meaningful and traders will be able to still make a lot of profit.

Next one may thing that a central broker will make market manipulations too easy. But first let us remark that manipulations and arbitrage are going on currently. But if one is afraid of that it is possible to mitigate them but adding a hard or soft penalty to account doing to many transactions. The hard version is to limit the amount of transaction and account does over a period , the soft version is about adding a growing penalty fee to account doing lot of transactions (with a decay).

Ps : i took 20% as fee, since it must be significant (otherwise traders and trading guilds will be sorry), but it should be to much of a deterrent.

Firstly, thanks for taking me back in time to the old days of selling my light stones at Torch 1!
I still play EQ1 which is a testament to how good that game really was/is, i only ever moved on to other stuff due to the advances in game graphics.

Back to your point, im a strong supporter for an auction house, the current system is flawed and rigged by many of the top guilds not to mention the time sinc of running around the entire world to find the item you want.
TT and MM arnt worth the time of loading them in (i dont use add-ons anyway), i only use their website as a price guide since its out of date within minutes.
Guilds regularly put items in at low prices then switch them out to sister/brother guilds at a much higher price or even on the same mule.

Its a complete and utter waste of time, i generally just sell in city chat channels now like the old days.

Be Safe

ZaroktheImmortal · June 2020

How did I know the trade guildies would jump all over this post out of fear if it happens it'd threaten their profits? Same as the one who was posting in forums wanting to ban people for posting

Knightpanther · June 2020

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

How did I know the trade guildies would jump all over this post out of fear if it happens it'd threaten their profits? Same as the one who was posting in forums wanting to ban people for posting

They needn't worry mate, the one thing games company's never do is admit a core system they have put into a game is rubbish, the current frustrating system is here to stay.

Be Safe

Lysette · June 2020

aenax wrote: »

You know technically we do have a central broker, its name in Tamriel Trade Center, but it is extremely inefficient even running to a merchant that was updated 5mn ago does not garantee that you will find what you want. On average i think that i hop to 3-4 traders before finding what i want.

Note that if we had the possibility to sell without a trading merchant (with a fee) we would see a much wider market, with lot o resources sold in small quantities and levelling gear (non cp 160 set etc ...).

Market manipulation will also certainly decrease since information will be much more available.

Ever seen automated market manipulation, where bots compete with each other speed trading?- You have no chance as a human being - takes you too long to get aware of the availability of the offer -whilst bots have already bought and relisted it.

ZaroktheImmortal · June 2020

Knightpanther wrote: »

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

How did I know the trade guildies would jump all over this post out of fear if it happens it'd threaten their profits? Same as the one who was posting in forums wanting to ban people for posting

They needn't worry mate, the one thing games company's never do is admit a core system they have put into a game is rubbish, the current frustrating system is here to stay.

Be Safe

Well the people going oh it's a dead horse it'll never change you should just shut up and not say anything about such thing which is the real dead horse the trade guildies beating on any post about an auction house as if they were afraid of it happening. Well they said we wouldn't get dragons and the same arguments were used 'ZOS has said this and that' oh and vampire lord form people said it about that. And a lot of other things they said. I think really it could happen and I think that's what they're afraid of that if enough people keep asking for it they'll eventually do it.

Lysette · June 2020

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

How did I know the trade guildies would jump all over this post out of fear if it happens it'd threaten their profits? Same as the one who was posting in forums wanting to ban people for posting

I'll tell you why I jump on it - because I think, that [snip] to pay a small fee to participate and make some real coin - and just because they are [snip], they want to destroy the fun others have with this trading system - not going to happen.

[Edited to remove Baiting]

Lysette · June 2020

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

Knightpanther wrote: »

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

How did I know the trade guildies would jump all over this post out of fear if it happens it'd threaten their profits? Same as the one who was posting in forums wanting to ban people for posting

They needn't worry mate, the one thing games company's never do is admit a core system they have put into a game is rubbish, the current frustrating system is here to stay.

Be Safe

Well the people going oh it's a dead horse it'll never change you should just shut up and not say anything about such thing which is the real dead horse the trade guildies beating on any post about an auction house as if they were afraid of it happening. Well they said we wouldn't get dragons and the same arguments were used 'ZOS has said this and that' oh and vampire lord form people said it about that. And a lot of other things they said. I think really it could happen and I think that's what they're afraid of that if enough people keep asking for it they'll eventually do it.

And then the forum will be flooded with the whining threads about bots playing the market and that vital items are priced much too high or are not available - there will always be complains and whining about the market. Let's see then how much fun that is to buy something really needed at 5 or 10 times the price .- let bots rule the market then.

Knightpanther · June 2020

Lysette wrote: »

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

How did I know the trade guildies would jump all over this post out of fear if it happens it'd threaten their profits? Same as the one who was posting in forums wanting to ban people for posting

I'll tell you why I jump on it - because I think, that [snip] to pay a small fee to participate and make some real coin - and just because they are [snip], they want to destroy the fun others have with this trading system - not going to happen.

Your missing the mark, nobody is being greedy or lazy, i am more than happy to pay a fee to an auction hose like in every other game, the difference being its not going into the pocket of some guild consortium.
Secondly your mistaking 'i work for a living and my game time is limited, so running around the world for an hour is not a good use of my time' for Lazy.
If your idea of fun is running an in-game stock exchange then fair enough and i commend your effort, but i would seriously love to know where the enjoyment in this system is, other than a few people earning a lot of money from over inflated guild fees.

Be Safe

Lysette · June 2020

Knightpanther wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

How did I know the trade guildies would jump all over this post out of fear if it happens it'd threaten their profits? Same as the one who was posting in forums wanting to ban people for posting

I'll tell you why I jump on it - because I think, that [snip] to pay a small fee to participate and make some real coin - and just because they are [snip], they want to destroy the fun others have with this trading system - not going to happen.

Your missing the mark, nobody is being greedy or lazy, i am more than happy to pay a fee to an auction hose like in every other game, the difference being its not going into the pocket of some guild consortium.
Secondly your mistaking 'i work for a living and my game time is limited, so running around the world for an hour is not a good use of my time' for Lazy.
If your idea of fun is running an in-game stock exchange then fair enough and i commend your effort, but i would seriously love to know where the enjoyment in this system is, other than a few people earning a lot of money from over inflated guild fees.

Be Safe

why do you care what they earn anyway - it is just a number increasing - once a certain amount of gold is amassed gaining even more is pointless - so why are you worried about that - let them increase their number on their wallet - it won't change a thing - and they are happy.

If you of course unleash these mass amounts of gold to compete in a trading house, then you will see inflation happening - now it is tucked away nicely, but with a trading house this would be unleashed.

JKorr · June 2020

Tammany wrote: »

> uh oh we dont need central market blah-blah
> checks out everything via central 3d party website

which creates interesting game play

Why you all use TTC if ingame gameplay is "interersting" ?
You are supposed to check all prices by running among traders.
Having central market info is against your "interesting gameplay" design.

Why are you assuming that everyone uses TTC?

PullaStormy wrote: »

I used to think ESO's guild traders were a good system, preventing inflation etc etc. But I also play GW2, and its Trading Post works like a dream when you know how to use it. You order for cheap and put on sale for higher prices. AND you get your money/items because there is always someone who will buy/sell instantly, giving you the items when the queue gets to you. Yeah it takes from minutes to days, but hey, it works in the end.

And what do we have in ESO? You literally can't find anything you need without relying on TTC addon and even then not all players use it. Running around the world for say, one pesky style page gets frustrating, because someone else might be snatching the items before you get there. And that right there is what annoys me the most with the guild trader system - it's impossible to know where it is and how much your desired item costs! Bleh.
(Edited for typo.)

Because of the way TTC can and has been abused in the past, I don't use it; the majority of people in my three guilds don't depend on it for anything besides ballparking prices.

JKorr · June 2020

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Why do so many people want MMOs to be clones of each other?

(note: I understand that this game will aways have guild traders, I'm not asking for a change)

I don't particularly want MMOs to be clones of one another. But "not wanting to be like other MMOs" is not a good reason to avoid basic QoL features. (Like, would you want them to say "oh, we don't want to have a map, because other MMOs have one!")

The guild trader system may work well for people who truly enjoy and/or are dedicated to, trading. The same kind of folks who, in games with a central AH, "work the market" every day for a profit.

It's kind of lousy for someone who doesn't trade often, though - I've never been a big seller. I don't have "5k sales/week", I might sell two things one week, then not sell anything for three weeks, then sell 8 things one day. A central AH works well for that - I can do a quick search to see what the prevailing price is, undercut by ~5%, and post my thing. It sells in 5 minutes or less, and I go about my day having spent less than a couple minutes on it. And that's all I care about trading - I'm not trying to maximize my profit, I don't care about "markets" or "economy", I just want to sell some random thing for more than it would vendor for.

So, in this game, joining a guild to do my total lack of planned or regular selling, makes no sense. And hawking wares in chat is too much effort. So I just vendor or destroy stuff, and ignore the game's economy completely...

...and this is part of why the people who love the Guild Vendor system, love it. Everyone like me, who throws their hands up in disgust and opts out of the economy, means that there's less goods in the supply, so the Real Traders get to keep their prices higher. Style pages, memento boxes, holiday goods... any that I find just 'nope' their way out of the economy, increasing the profits of the guilds.

But, like I said, I know that it'll never change. So I roll my eyes at these threads just as much as you guys do. /shrug

Hmmm....you mean people like me. I sell stuff when I get too many master writs, or pick up motif pages I already have, or want to get some of the mats I've accumulated go to people who need them to use instead of keep "in case".

I'm currently in 4 guilds; one isn't bothering with a trader, so three that regularly pick up a trader.

One is a trading guild. This guild has no weekly dues. It has no weekly sales requirement. I sell stuff when and if I want to do so. Because the only terribly onerous requirement this guild has is logging in once a week, I do writs a couple days a week and use the gold to buy optional raffle tickets. [after my computer died I messaged a guiidie on the forum and asked them to let the gm know I wouldn't be able to log in, but please don't kick me, so even the "log in once a week" can be waived for cause]

Two guilds are social guilds; no dues, no sale requirement. Both guilds usually manage to pick up a trader, so I have 60 slots in my social guilds in addition to the "real" trading guild if I want to sell stuff.

None of these guilds set any kind of mandatory pricing. When my stuff sells in minutes I know I priced it lower than other people, when it doesn't sell I know I set the price too high. At least I don't "nope" people out of mats or items they might want to buy, even if I'm not trying to [or care about] "maximizing my profits." Npc vendors don't actually *need* the mats, recipes or whatevers. I'd rather let the players who really use the stuff have it.

PizzaCat82 · June 2020

Lysette wrote: »

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

How did I know the trade guildies would jump all over this post out of fear if it happens it'd threaten their profits? Same as the one who was posting in forums wanting to ban people for posting

I'll tell you why I jump on it - because I think, that [snip] to pay a small fee to participate and make some real coin - and just because they are [snip], they want to destroy the fun others have with this trading system - not going to happen.

There are some that just don't like the fact that guilds control whether someone trades or not. There's lots of reasons to hate the current system, so you're going to come up with a lot of justifications other than lazy.

I have 10M gold, GM 2 small guilds, Admin of a 3rd, and trade in 2 major trading guilds. I think the current system is complete rubbish and people like you who just dismiss people who want change as "lazy" are the ones being lazy.

Lysette · June 2020

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

How did I know the trade guildies would jump all over this post out of fear if it happens it'd threaten their profits? Same as the one who was posting in forums wanting to ban people for posting

I'll tell you why I jump on it - because I think, that [snip] to pay a small fee to participate and make some real coin - and just because they are [snip], they want to destroy the fun others have with this trading system - not going to happen.

There are some that just don't like the fact that guilds control whether someone trades or not. There's lots of reasons to hate the current system, so you're going to come up with a lot of justifications other than lazy.

I have 10M gold, GM 2 small guilds, Admin of a 3rd, and trade in 2 major trading guilds. I think the current system is complete rubbish and people like you who just dismiss people who want change as "lazy" are the ones being lazy.

lazy with what actually? Where do you think I'm lazy?

and the notion of "don't like that guilds control if someone trades or not" is rubbish as well, as anyone can open a guild, gather a few members and then try to do it better - this is just a lazy excuse nothing more.

JKorr · June 2020

aenax wrote: »

You know technically we do have a central broker, its name in Tamriel Trade Center, but it is extremely inefficient even running to a merchant that was updated 5mn ago does not garantee that you will find what you want. On average i think that i hop to 3-4 traders before finding what i want.

Note that if we had the possibility to sell without a trading merchant (with a fee) we would see a much wider market, with lot o resources sold in small quantities and levelling gear (non cp 160 set etc ...).

Market manipulation will also certainly decrease since information will be much more available.

You mean Tamriel Trade Center, that shows the prices the sellers post, and not what identical items sold for. There have been cases of people posting items for low prices so it shows up on TTC, then pulling the items and relisting them for much higher prices, hoping, I guess, that whoever went through the trouble of looking it up would just buy the higher priced stuff instead of leaving and finding another location. No one would ever attempt to manipulate the market with TTC. /sarcasm intended

Here's a little hint; if you're in one or more good guilds; ask a crafter about your leveling gear. There are crafters who don't charge guildmates for under cp160 gear, and *bonus* you get customized gear made just for you. No hunting around to find Hundings or Seducer or whatever you want to try, with the traits you want on the gear and weapons. Much easier than checking TTC to maybe find what you want.

By the way, if I'm looking for mats for something specific, I don't want to buy one ingot of ebony at a time. Nice if smaller amounts are available, of course. I usually sell, when I bother to sell, mats in useful numbers, unless its tempers, then its wither the full number you need to improve a piece of gear or half of the number you need for golding stuff.....

Anotherone773 · June 2020

i have played probably over 100 MMOs in the last 22 years. None of them with a central AH had a thriving player economy( i say this from the point of a seller/trader) The penny wars and the unintelligent traders that bomb prices by undercutting 20-50% because they think that is going to make people by faster causes the price of items to drop to worthless.

The items you see on guild traders, I FARM THOSE. While some people will randomly list an item they picked up while doing something else, people like me will farm all of those items. Im looking in containers, killing specific mobs for the 859332 time, running dailies, running a resource route, etc all so you have that wonderful selection of goods you can buy.

You get a central AH and we all stop doing that. Once it is no longer worth my time to farm, i stop farming, and all those goods stop being put up for sale. Then you have to spend your time going out and grinding things you need instead of doing what you want to do.

ESO and EVE both have excellent economies because they intentionally lack a central AH and replaced it with a local economy. It is far superior than that " im to lazy to do a little leg work" AH system. I have no issues finding items i need and acquiring them from a guild trader. I can find about any item and pick it up within 5 to 10 minutes. Id rather have that robust player economy than a " im lazy" insta-gratification AH that barely has anything on it.

PizzaCat82 · June 2020

Lysette wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

How did I know the trade guildies would jump all over this post out of fear if it happens it'd threaten their profits? Same as the one who was posting in forums wanting to ban people for posting

I'll tell you why I jump on it - because I think, that [snip] to pay a small fee to participate and make some real coin - and just because they are [snip], they want to destroy the fun others have with this trading system - not going to happen.

There are some that just don't like the fact that guilds control whether someone trades or not. There's lots of reasons to hate the current system, so you're going to come up with a lot of justifications other than lazy.

I have 10M gold, GM 2 small guilds, Admin of a 3rd, and trade in 2 major trading guilds. I think the current system is complete rubbish and people like you who just dismiss people who want change as "lazy" are the ones being lazy.

lazy with what actually? Where do you think I'm lazy?

and the notion of "don't like that guilds control if someone trades or not" is rubbish as well, as anyone can open a guild, gather a few members and then try to do it better - this is just a lazy excuse nothing more.

Dismissing arguments because "anyone can open a guild" is lazy. Try harder.

aenax · June 2020

Knightpanther wrote: »

aenax wrote: »

First and foremost ALL MMO have one, Eq1 started without and so people were selling in a famous tunnel but a broker was added after 1-2 years.

Firstly, thanks for taking me back in time to the old days of selling my light stones at Torch 1!
I still play EQ1 which is a testament to how good that game really was/is, i only ever moved on to other stuff due to the advances in game graphics.

Back to your point, im a strong supporter for an auction house, the current system is flawed and rigged by many of the top guilds not to mention the time sinc of running around the entire world to find the item you want.
TT and MM arnt worth the time of loading them in (i dont use add-ons anyway), i only use their website as a price guide since its out of date within minutes.
Guilds regularly put items in at low prices then switch them out to sister/brother guilds at a much higher price or even on the same mule.

Its a complete and utter waste of time, i generally just sell in city chat channels now like the old days.

Be Safe

This lovely tunnel was so busy, i remember people selling bundles of junk (Bethesda does it selling crowd bundle too), they will show you a bag in a trade window and them you would bargain about the price.

And of course later you had " dealers" of clarity 2 (then kei), my druid had his regular providers that would usually buff him for free since for them it meant a friendly taxi and sow on demand. ....

On the timelocked server we had no broker but the parcel system it was quite easy to trade using the parcel system.Then the " bazard " came .. We all have some nostalgia of massive mess that the commonland tunnel was, 300+ people spaming their deals or WTB messages .... But of course the bazard was a huge improvement.

Anyway since everyone willing to buy something uses Tamriel Trade Center, with its flaws (it is never up to date, fake advertising price -- hookers -- are used etc .... it means that system is not functionnal.

Athyrium93 · June 2020

I really like the guild traders but wish they would add a global search function, it doesn't even need to list the price, just that a specific trader has an item, TTC is often very out dated when looking for specific rare items. Just being able to see where an item is would be immensely helpful.

I'd also love to see more traders, maybe even a trade city where guilds or individuals could rent a stall or shop for a period of time. It could be set up to allow big guilds to rent an actual shop for weeks or months at at a time, with a shop they could decorate like you can a house, while having small stalls that could be rented for hours or days at a time by small guilds or individuals. It could even be set up with a queue like dungeons have. You join the queue and pay up front for the space, loading a set number of items, and when it's your turn your items automatically appear until your time is up.

Knightpanther · June 2020

aenax wrote: »

Knightpanther wrote: »

aenax wrote: »

First and foremost ALL MMO have one, Eq1 started without and so people were selling in a famous tunnel but a broker was added after 1-2 years.

Firstly, thanks for taking me back in time to the old days of selling my light stones at Torch 1!
I still play EQ1 which is a testament to how good that game really was/is, i only ever moved on to other stuff due to the advances in game graphics.

Back to your point, im a strong supporter for an auction house, the current system is flawed and rigged by many of the top guilds not to mention the time sinc of running around the entire world to find the item you want.
TT and MM arnt worth the time of loading them in (i dont use add-ons anyway), i only use their website as a price guide since its out of date within minutes.
Guilds regularly put items in at low prices then switch them out to sister/brother guilds at a much higher price or even on the same mule.

Its a complete and utter waste of time, i generally just sell in city chat channels now like the old days.

Be Safe

This lovely tunnel was so busy, i remember people selling bundles of junk (Bethesda does it selling crowd bundle too), they will show you a bag in a trade window and them you would bargain about the price.

And of course later you had " dealers" of clarity 2 (then kei), my druid had his regular providers that would usually buff him for free since for them it meant a friendly taxi and sow on demand. ....

On the timelocked server we had no broker but the parcel system it was quite easy to trade using the parcel system.Then the " bazard " came .. We all have some nostalgia of massive mess that the commonland tunnel was, 300+ people spaming their deals or WTB messages .... But of course the bazard was a huge improvement.

Anyway since everyone willing to buy something uses Tamriel Trade Center, with its flaws (it is never up to date, fake advertising price -- hookers -- are used etc .... it means that system is not functionnal.

The Bazaar system was actually well intended, taking the overcrowded tunnel to the new Nexus.
At the start it was fun just like a huge market but its downside (other than having to look at the floor to walk anywhere) was that it tied your charactor up for ages as you were tempted to sell everything you just robbed off those grimlings.

In its current form you can log out whilst your trader is up which is what i do at night, the main thing being that in essence all we want is to be able to look up an item we want, at the price we want to pay, and wait for it .....ITS ACTUALLY THERE WHEN YOU GET TO THE TRADER! (within a reasonable time of course).

Be Safe

TineaCruris · June 2020

They need to improve the current system of bidding on vendors and maybe some other changes, but please no central auction house. If you think prices are bad now, they will be x 10 with a central auction house.

Salix_alba · June 2020

How bout' NO.

Look a central market place is going to cause more problems with price fixing than the current system ever did.
As it stands right now the system is more fluid and natural than any central auction house EVER could be and it is a protection against most manipulation. And smaller markets guarantee even when someone does attempt it that it does not affect the entire market.

Bulk sellers willing to cut their prices so low no one would be willing to compete with them like an in game version of
Wal-mart would ruin the market for everyone under that system like it has in real life to mom and pops stores.

Any time someone insists that I have to lower my prices on things to accommodate a bulk order I can tell them to 'kick rocks' because the protections against market manipulation that exist in game now.

Hurbster · June 2020

I have my suspicions that due to the lag in opening just a guild bank sometimes, a centralised Auction House would kill the hamster that runs the servers stone dead.

idk · June 2020

aenax wrote: »

First and foremost ALL MMO have one,

I stopped reading at this point as this is the worst reason for anything to be added to ESO. Especially since ESO is superior to any major game on the market today. Those that actually play this game agree with that. Also, the fact the game has done well all these years without a central auction house does demonstrate it is not direly needed.

In the end, the trading system has been serving the game just fine and no one will be leaving ESO because of the trading system. So there is no real reason for Zos to abandon their preferred design.

BlueRaven · June 2020

Why would zos willingly want to ruin a core function of guilds? If anything I would think they would want to incentivize joining guilds even more if they could.

PizzaCat82 · June 2020

BlueRaven wrote: »

Why would zos willingly want to ruin a core function of guilds? If anything I would think they would want to incentivize joining guilds even more if they could.

The core function of guilds is socialization and combining of resources to achieve a common goal.

Trading does not need to be a part of that if there are enough other opportunities for guilds to do the two above things.

I would be okay with adding more opportunities as long as there were still viable alternatives for non-guild players. For instance, I don't need to be in a trial guild to run trials. I don't need to be in a PVP guild to run PVP groups.

I shouldn't need to be in a trader guild (50+ members) to sell my stuff in a vendor.