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Should our pre-Greymoor vet Maelstrom and vet Dragonst weapons to be upgraded for perfected ones?
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JusticeSouldier✭✭✭✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!@ZOS_GinaBruno guys.. apology?all classes. pc platform, dissapointed.2 -
maxchaos92✭✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!I've already done the "new" grind vMA 10 times,dropped only ***,no bow,no inferno,no resto,nothing,this Is what I hate,I will do 10 other try if I know that at some point i Will get something good.Even the weekly reward ti everyone Who complete can be a good sign of listening to player,but no,you want to be really man and don't listen to who pay your food with DLC,plus,and crown store,but time Will tell,my eso plus Is running out,last try for vMA and when it's done i purposely won't renew plus so i can't enter again this *** arena0 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!Yes they could just update them, them they update sets the existing are also updated, we have seen buffs or nerfs far stronger than the perfected and normal difference.
This would be to update the existing weapons sets and then add an new one for normal.
However this is too late now as people has the old version from normal.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.1 -
JusticeSouldier✭✭✭✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!@ZOS_GinaBruno anyone home to say sorry guys we understand we made a mistake?all classes. pc platform, dissapointed.2
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sagitter✭✭✭✭✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!Year 2016, It took me 76 runs to get first vma fire staff, and now once again, still there, same content to dropp the same item perfected version, 22 total runs until now, no staff.1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No. (Write in co0mment please why?)Year 2016, It took me 76 runs to get first vma fire staff, and now once again, still there, same content to dropp the same item perfected version, 22 total runs until now, no staff.
But you are not farming the same perfected weapon. The weapon we used to get in vMA was not perfected and certainly never like the new perfected weapon Zos just added to the game with Greymoor.0 -
Tsar_Gekkou✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »We farmed for the normal one not the perfected onne so we have no claim on the new one
We farmed for vet rewards so we actually do have a claim for vet rewards.Xbox NA healer main
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SeaGtGruff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No. (Write in co0mment please why?)If you guys spent as much time grinding for the new perfected gear as you're spending trying to get your old gear converted for free, you'd have the new gear already.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!1 -
Casul✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!Between the way they treated the vet community and all the new bugs from greymor my opinion of the game is bad, and I'm letting everyone know this opinion who is interested in picking up the game.PvP needs more love.3 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No. (Write in co0mment please why?)Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »We farmed for the normal one not the perfected onne so we have no claim on the new one
We farmed for vet rewards so we actually do have a claim for vet rewards.
Pretty much think they were saying that we farmed the original maelstrom/master weapon design. That if we want the new weapon added to the game we need to farm that now. It is a choice.0 -
JusticeSouldier✭✭✭✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!Year 2016, It took me 76 runs to get first vma fire staff, and now once again, still there, same content to dropp the same item perfected version, 22 total runs until now, no staff.
But you are not farming the same perfected weapon. The weapon we used to get in vMA was not perfected and certainly never like the new perfected weapon Zos just added to the game with Greymoor.
Yes we are.
Before clockwork Zenimax removed second property from arena weapons.
And released after "perfected" asylum arena weapons to give them "more value"...
Now, they left all that weapons not converted back, but same veteran content now provide "Perfected" versions.
It's clear scam in 2 steps.
ik.Edited by JusticeSouldier on June 21, 2020 8:10PMall classes. pc platform, dissapointed.3 -
tim99✭✭✭✭✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!biggest punch in the face within eso ever.
but could be a test only as well, because it even seems strange that they ignore all the threads about this to 100%. Even for zos thats unusual, that there is no response AT ALL apart from rich's discord text "the game is just a endless grind anyway".
So, next is perfected monster helmets?
Or even perfected overland mother sorrow from golden leads found in the latest chapter?
Well, we will see. Or not.
But another thing.. wasnt the random drop rate fixed in normal? Didnt got anything recently?
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No. (Write in co0mment please why?)JusticeSouldier wrote: »Year 2016, It took me 76 runs to get first vma fire staff, and now once again, still there, same content to dropp the same item perfected version, 22 total runs until now, no staff.
But you are not farming the same perfected weapon. The weapon we used to get in vMA was not perfected and certainly never like the new perfected weapon Zos just added to the game with Greymoor.
Yes we are.
Before clockwork Zenimax removed second property from arena weapons.
And released after "perfected" asylum arena weapons to give them "more value"...
Now, they left all that weapons not converted back, but same veteran content now provide "Perfected" versions.
It's clear scam in 2 steps.
ik.
You are leaving out an important fact. Zos did remove the static damage stat and replace it by allowing us to enchant the weapon. The new perfected weapons allow us to choose an enchant and have a static damage stat. There has never been a MA or Master weapon that had both.
So we are in fact farming weapons that have never been in this game and the MA or Master weapons have never offered all that the perfected versions offer today.1 -
sagitter✭✭✭✭✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!JusticeSouldier wrote: »Year 2016, It took me 76 runs to get first vma fire staff, and now once again, still there, same content to dropp the same item perfected version, 22 total runs until now, no staff.
But you are not farming the same perfected weapon. The weapon we used to get in vMA was not perfected and certainly never like the new perfected weapon Zos just added to the game with Greymoor.
Yes we are.
Before clockwork Zenimax removed second property from arena weapons.
And released after "perfected" asylum arena weapons to give them "more value"...
Now, they left all that weapons not converted back, but same veteran content now provide "Perfected" versions.
It's clear scam in 2 steps.
ik.
You are leaving out an important fact. Zos did remove the static damage stat and replace it by allowing us to enchant the weapon. The new perfected weapons allow us to choose an enchant and have a static damage stat. There has never been a MA or Master weapon that had both.
So we are in fact farming weapons that have never been in this game and the MA or Master weapons have never offered all that the perfected versions offer today.
Dude i don't mind if i have to farm a weapon if the content is new, but what is pissing me is that i have to redo the same content i already did to the vomit to get the same weapon and yes it is the same weapon because it goes in the same spot of a pve build and i use it for the same purpose. Today 2 runs, 0 fire staff, 24 total runs since new patch.4 -
Mister_DMC✭✭✭✭✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!VMA is a joke now, don't really care much after the fact. The perfected staff adds zero extra damage in PvE. Already got 2 inferno staves for the first two runs. Honestly it's just given me an excuse to push my leaderboard scores again and I'm only keeping the gold rewards I get from the weekly.1
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No. (Write in co0mment please why?)JusticeSouldier wrote: »Year 2016, It took me 76 runs to get first vma fire staff, and now once again, still there, same content to dropp the same item perfected version, 22 total runs until now, no staff.
But you are not farming the same perfected weapon. The weapon we used to get in vMA was not perfected and certainly never like the new perfected weapon Zos just added to the game with Greymoor.
Yes we are.
Before clockwork Zenimax removed second property from arena weapons.
And released after "perfected" asylum arena weapons to give them "more value"...
Now, they left all that weapons not converted back, but same veteran content now provide "Perfected" versions.
It's clear scam in 2 steps.
ik.
You are leaving out an important fact. Zos did remove the static damage stat and replace it by allowing us to enchant the weapon. The new perfected weapons allow us to choose an enchant and have a static damage stat. There has never been a MA or Master weapon that had both.
So we are in fact farming weapons that have never been in this game and the MA or Master weapons have never offered all that the perfected versions offer today.
Dude i don't mind if i have to farm a weapon if the content is new, but what is pissing me is that i have to redo the same content i already did to the vomit to get the same weapon and yes it is the same weapon because it goes in the same spot of a pve build and i use it for the same purpose. Today 2 runs, 0 fire staff, 24 total runs since new patch.
That is a better argument than trying to say the perfected weapons are the same as the original design of the weapons. I agree. Zos should have created a HM design of MA and DSA and have the new weapons drop there. However, have the new weapons drop in vet and the old weapons drop in normal is in line with how the weapons drop in the newer arena. Regardless, it is new so it makes sense we have to farm the new weapon.0 -
Dalsinthus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!I have countless copies of the old versions of the weapons. I have run vMA hundreds and hundreds of times and vDSA a few dozen.
Since the patch dropped: I’ve now farmed vMA 23 times and vDSA 8. I have every perfected item I need, including 4 infernos, except a bow from either arena. Of course the bows were my primary objectives in both arenas. My vDSA group now has everything they need and will probably disband before I get a bow.
This is truly not fun.2 -
Stealthk80✭✭No. (Write in co0mment please why?)Nope get in there and farm again, 31 runs and im finishedEdited by Stealthk80 on June 23, 2020 12:29AM2
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JusticeSouldier✭✭✭✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!JusticeSouldier wrote: »Year 2016, It took me 76 runs to get first vma fire staff, and now once again, still there, same content to dropp the same item perfected version, 22 total runs until now, no staff.
But you are not farming the same perfected weapon. The weapon we used to get in vMA was not perfected and certainly never like the new perfected weapon Zos just added to the game with Greymoor.
Yes we are.
Before clockwork Zenimax removed second property from arena weapons.
And released after "perfected" asylum arena weapons to give them "more value"...
Now, they left all that weapons not converted back, but same veteran content now provide "Perfected" versions.
It's clear scam in 2 steps.
ik.
You are leaving out an important fact. Zos did remove the static damage stat and replace it by allowing us to enchant the weapon. The new perfected weapons allow us to choose an enchant and have a static damage stat. There has never been a MA or Master weapon that had both.
So we are in fact farming weapons that have never been in this game and the MA or Master weapons have never offered all that the perfected versions offer today.
You forget that fact - they made another set weapons to count as 2 set parts instead of 1 as it was.
So our arena weapons became there underpowered in compare with non arena weapons with time and efforts u had to spend for this.
they removed second property when they converted it from enchanting to set property.
But they had, they were must to add second property, when made all weapons to work like 2 pieses of set.
But, they didn't.
And now, when they "released" perfected weapons, they left our weapons in a raw with weapons from normal arena.
This is ridiculous.
Nothing changed inside both arena, same content, hundrets of hours spent, tempers to golden, transmute crystal to change traits.
But game performance is worse...
This is ridiculously bad attitude to us as community.
It's humili..ion of eso players by Zenimax.
Our old weapons were rewards for veteran contents. Unchanged content in Graymoor.
Veteran arena now > perfected weapons.
Veteran arena before > non perfected?
Why?
And i can answer why - they showed us their real face. They feel to be able do this without punishment.
And as result eso lifetime became much shorter with this move.
Chicken without head like.Edited by JusticeSouldier on June 22, 2020 10:12PMall classes. pc platform, dissapointed.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No. (Write in co0mment please why?)JusticeSouldier wrote: »JusticeSouldier wrote: »Year 2016, It took me 76 runs to get first vma fire staff, and now once again, still there, same content to dropp the same item perfected version, 22 total runs until now, no staff.
But you are not farming the same perfected weapon. The weapon we used to get in vMA was not perfected and certainly never like the new perfected weapon Zos just added to the game with Greymoor.
Yes we are.
Before clockwork Zenimax removed second property from arena weapons.
And released after "perfected" asylum arena weapons to give them "more value"...
Now, they left all that weapons not converted back, but same veteran content now provide "Perfected" versions.
It's clear scam in 2 steps.
ik.
You are leaving out an important fact. Zos did remove the static damage stat and replace it by allowing us to enchant the weapon. The new perfected weapons allow us to choose an enchant and have a static damage stat. There has never been a MA or Master weapon that had both.
So we are in fact farming weapons that have never been in this game and the MA or Master weapons have never offered all that the perfected versions offer today.
You forget that fact - they made another set weapons to count as 2 set parts instead of 1 as it was.
So our arena weapons became there underpowered in compare with non arena weapons with time and efforts u had to spend for this.
I did not forget any fact. Before Zos made the two weapons sets (DW and S&B) a 2 PC set using only one piece provided only half of the benefit. That was neither a nerf nor a buff so in the end it was not a big deal by any measurement.
Further, MA bow and dStaff weapons have been part of top DPS builds all along.
The fact still remains that there has never been a weapon identical to the perfected maelstrom or master weapons unit Greymoor. The reality is, if you want these new weapons go farm it. Otherwise do not stress about it as they are not required for clearing any content and Zos is not going to change their mind and upgrade the old weapons we have.Edited by idk on June 23, 2020 5:08AM0 -
Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭No. (Write in co0mment please why?)While it would be nice to never have to do it again the entire point of such a subtle weapon upgrade is to bring players back into old content.Edited by Drdeath20 on June 23, 2020 6:17AM1 -
Algorax✭✭✭✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!While it would be nice to never have to do it again the entire point of such a subtle weapon upgrade is to bring players back into old content.
They are not to chose for us, specially not in this way. Giving what was rightfully earned should always have been beyond discussion, instead we are still here to argue.
If their aim was to bring back players to old contant and not a mere, obvious case of bad management, why not just adding new items, collectibles, skins etc? That would have been surely more appealing.
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[Edited to remove Bashing]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on June 23, 2020 11:14AM3 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No. (Write in co0mment please why?)While it would be nice to never have to do it again the entire point of such a subtle weapon upgrade is to bring players back into old content.
They are not to chose for us, specially not in this way. Giving what was rightfully earned should always have been beyond discussion, instead we are still here to argue.
Before Greymoor went live no one had rightfully earned a perfected MA or Master weapon on a live server.0 -
Thechuckage✭✭✭✭✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!Seems to me calling these weapons "new" is taking a perfectly innocent word, then twisting and misshaping it in a manner that would make Dr Frankenstein blush.
They simply added another line to the attributes. At the bare minimum, they could have compromised with a token dropped from a new run, so you could "perfect" your current weapon. (Insert the old chestnut about a good compromise leaving everyone unhappy)
I'm still of the mindset that this was handled in about the worst way possible.6 -
Raltin✭✭✭✭No. (Write in co0mment please why?)Do you know how difficult that would be to date the acquisition time of a pre-update weapon for not just one player, but ALL within the code and then bring all the pre-update weapons to the perfected version, while leaving the new non-perfected ones untouched? That would be a nightmare for any developer.
While it's not technically fair, they could have just not done this service for us at all and left the weapons in non-perfeced state and locked behind vet mode. I for one welcome the challenge of going after the new weaponry, while being thankful that the non-perfected ones are rather easy to acquire in normal maelstrom/dragonstar.
Also... I do not know if english is your first language or not, OP, but if it is... you really need to work on your spelling... if not, then it's understandable, but I encourage you to work on further developing your typing skills in the english language if you intend to continue posting in the english forums. A well-written argument is a well-communicated argument, and one that is easier to understand for those who read it."Proud purveyor of Cyrodiil Pickles."0 -
Bobby_V_Rockit✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!I guess at this point now though, how could they differentiate between pre-Greymoor Vet and post-Greymoor Normal weapons.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No. (Write in co0mment please why?)Thechuckage wrote: »Seems to me calling these weapons "new" is taking a perfectly innocent word, then twisting and misshaping it in a manner that would make Dr Frankenstein blush.
They simply added another line to the attributes. At the bare minimum, they could have compromised with a token dropped from a new run, so you could "perfect" your current weapon. (Insert the old chestnut about a good compromise leaving everyone unhappy)
I'm still of the mindset that this was handled in about the worst way possible.
The addition of that attribute does make the weapon uniquely different than any previous design of the MA or Master weapon. So yes, it is accurate and appropriate to call the Perfected MA and Master weapons new.Edited by idk on June 25, 2020 9:53PM1 -
JusticeSouldier✭✭✭✭Yes. We spent hundrets hours in both VETERAN arena!Thechuckage wrote: »Seems to me calling these weapons "new" is taking a perfectly innocent word, then twisting and misshaping it in a manner that would make Dr Frankenstein blush.
They simply added another line to the attributes. At the bare minimum, they could have compromised with a token dropped from a new run, so you could "perfect" your current weapon. (Insert the old chestnut about a good compromise leaving everyone unhappy)
I'm still of the mindset that this was handled in about the worst way possible.
The addition of that attribute does make the weapon uniquely different than any previous design of the MA or Master weapon. So yes, it is accurate and appropriate to call the Perfected MA and Master weapons new.
yes they can. same as i can pee in a middle of street. and same as me they in such case do an inappropricate action with this.
it's annihilation of increadibly huge amount of time of thousands players. JUst because someone decided that it's ok with idk exact reasons, probably ilusion of getting money in perspective.
u can't undestand why drinking of a pee of zenimax, government or idk chief at job is bad idea?
ok.
but freaking stop try to persist others to freaking protest against such attitute to freaking community.Edited by JusticeSouldier on June 29, 2020 12:20PMall classes. pc platform, dissapointed.1
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