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vBlessed Crucible - does 'Noble Duelist' shield exist?
HailstoSithis
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ive ran 20+ times today. i stopped counting because im starting to think it isnt an option. ~_~
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zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Specific weapons are always pain to farm, people with bad luck with farmed city of ashes for more than you did for noble duelist. Keep on trying, and remember chests, weapons can drop only from last boss and chests.8 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It does exist. I farmed that set like 2 or 3 years ago, before the nerf change on the evasion buff, and i remember getting 2 shields.2 -
Dagoth_Rac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You get either jewelry or weapon from final boss. So that immediately cuts your odds of a shield in half due to the jewelry/weapon split.
There are 13 weapons including shield.
There are 3 sets in dungeon.
13 * 3 = 39
Cut in half because you might get jewelry = 1 in (39 * 2) = 1 in 78 chance = 1.28% chance of getting Noble Duelist Shield
100 - 1.28 = 98.72% chance of not getting Noble Duelist shield
0.9872 ^ 4 = ~95% chance of 4 people not getting Noble Duelist shield on a single run
0.95 ^ 20 = ~36% chance of not getting a Noble Duelist shield amongst 4 people over 20 runs.
So, you had a little bit of bad luck. It was more likely that you would get item than not get item. But 36% is not like some 1 in a million unicorn occurrence.4 -
static_recharge✭✭✭✭Dagoth_Rac wrote: »You get either jewelry or weapon from final boss. So that immediately cuts your odds of a shield in half due to the jewelry/weapon split.
There are 13 weapons including shield.
There are 3 sets in dungeon.
13 * 3 = 39
Cut in half because you might get jewelry = 1 in (39 * 2) = 1 in 78 chance = 1.28% chance of getting Noble Duelist Shield
100 - 1.28 = 98.72% chance of not getting Noble Duelist shield
0.9872 ^ 4 = ~95% chance of 4 people not getting Noble Duelist shield on a single run
0.95 ^ 20 = ~36% chance of not getting a Noble Duelist shield amongst 4 people over 20 runs.
So, you had a little bit of bad luck. It was more likely that you would get item than not get item. But 36% is not like some 1 in a million unicorn occurrence.
This math is a little off. Why cut the chance in half just because jewellery are in the mix? Your chances are based off of the total loot pool. Ergo 13 weapons + 2 jewelry options = 15 items.
Multiply by the number of sets:
15 * 3 = 45 total different items
Chance of not getting the Noble Duelist Shield:
44 / 45 =~ 97.8%
Chance of not getting the shield across all 4 group members:
97.8% ^ 4 =~ 91.4%
Chance of getting the shield from any group member per run:
100% - 91.4% =~ 8.6%
Every time you go in you have roughly an 8.6% chance of finding the Nobels Duelist Shield between all group members.
To extrapolate across your 20 ish tries at getting it:
91.4% ^ 20 =~ 16.6% chance of not getting it
100% - 16.6% = 83.4% chance of getting it after 20 attempts between all 4 group members.
Remember that this is just chance and probability. Even after 100 attempts there is no guarantee that it'll drop. The number I'd use is the one per run, 8.6%.1 -
HailstoSithis✭✭✭Yeah, i was figuring it was some super low drop rate. Makes sense now. Thank you guys for helping me understand a little more. Lol i was purely frustrated. Such is the way of life of RPG games sometimes. Ill continue my journey to the shield.0
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zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭static_recharge wrote: »Dagoth_Rac wrote: »You get either jewelry or weapon from final boss. So that immediately cuts your odds of a shield in half due to the jewelry/weapon split.
There are 13 weapons including shield.
There are 3 sets in dungeon.
13 * 3 = 39
Cut in half because you might get jewelry = 1 in (39 * 2) = 1 in 78 chance = 1.28% chance of getting Noble Duelist Shield
100 - 1.28 = 98.72% chance of not getting Noble Duelist shield
0.9872 ^ 4 = ~95% chance of 4 people not getting Noble Duelist shield on a single run
0.95 ^ 20 = ~36% chance of not getting a Noble Duelist shield amongst 4 people over 20 runs.
So, you had a little bit of bad luck. It was more likely that you would get item than not get item. But 36% is not like some 1 in a million unicorn occurrence.
This math is a little off. Why cut the chance in half just because jewellery are in the mix? Your chances are based off of the total loot pool. Ergo 13 weapons + 2 jewelry options = 15 items.
Multiply by the number of sets:
15 * 3 = 45 total different items
Chance of not getting the Noble Duelist Shield:
44 / 45 =~ 97.8%
Chance of not getting the shield across all 4 group members:
97.8% ^ 4 =~ 91.4%
Chance of getting the shield from any group member per run:
100% - 91.4% =~ 8.6%
Every time you go in you have roughly an 8.6% chance of finding the Nobels Duelist Shield between all group members.
To extrapolate across your 20 ish tries at getting it:
91.4% ^ 20 =~ 16.6% chance of not getting it
100% - 16.6% = 83.4% chance of getting it after 20 attempts between all 4 group members.
Remember that this is just chance and probability. Even after 100 attempts there is no guarantee that it'll drop. The number I'd use is the one per run, 8.6%.
No, his math is right. Because before there is drop chance to weapons, there is 50% it is jewelry. Your math is wrong because you don't take this high jewelry drop rate into account...1 -
SidraWillowsky✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It does. When thinking about whether a particular set piece exists, consider whether the piece would even be able to proc the set.
The Advancing Yokeda and Blood Moon sets are the best example of this- bows for these sets do not exist (well, AY used to, but it stopped dropping a ways back) even though it seems like they should. This is because the sets proc off of melee light attacks, which you cannot do on the bow bar, so using an AY bow is the same as using any other bow.
Noble Duelist only requires a dodge to proc it, which you can do using any weapon. In that case, I assume that the set drops every single armor/weapon/jewelry piece possible.0 -
static_recharge✭✭✭✭static_recharge wrote: »Dagoth_Rac wrote: »You get either jewelry or weapon from final boss. So that immediately cuts your odds of a shield in half due to the jewelry/weapon split.
There are 13 weapons including shield.
There are 3 sets in dungeon.
13 * 3 = 39
Cut in half because you might get jewelry = 1 in (39 * 2) = 1 in 78 chance = 1.28% chance of getting Noble Duelist Shield
100 - 1.28 = 98.72% chance of not getting Noble Duelist shield
0.9872 ^ 4 = ~95% chance of 4 people not getting Noble Duelist shield on a single run
0.95 ^ 20 = ~36% chance of not getting a Noble Duelist shield amongst 4 people over 20 runs.
So, you had a little bit of bad luck. It was more likely that you would get item than not get item. But 36% is not like some 1 in a million unicorn occurrence.
This math is a little off. Why cut the chance in half just because jewellery are in the mix? Your chances are based off of the total loot pool. Ergo 13 weapons + 2 jewelry options = 15 items.
Multiply by the number of sets:
15 * 3 = 45 total different items
Chance of not getting the Noble Duelist Shield:
44 / 45 =~ 97.8%
Chance of not getting the shield across all 4 group members:
97.8% ^ 4 =~ 91.4%
Chance of getting the shield from any group member per run:
100% - 91.4% =~ 8.6%
Every time you go in you have roughly an 8.6% chance of finding the Nobels Duelist Shield between all group members.
To extrapolate across your 20 ish tries at getting it:
91.4% ^ 20 =~ 16.6% chance of not getting it
100% - 16.6% = 83.4% chance of getting it after 20 attempts between all 4 group members.
Remember that this is just chance and probability. Even after 100 attempts there is no guarantee that it'll drop. The number I'd use is the one per run, 8.6%.
No, his math is right. Because before there is drop chance to weapons, there is 50% it is jewelry. Your math is wrong because you don't take this high jewelry drop rate into account...
Ok. Where does it state this? Not being rude, sincerely want to know.0 -
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zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭static_recharge wrote: »static_recharge wrote: »Dagoth_Rac wrote: »You get either jewelry or weapon from final boss. So that immediately cuts your odds of a shield in half due to the jewelry/weapon split.
There are 13 weapons including shield.
There are 3 sets in dungeon.
13 * 3 = 39
Cut in half because you might get jewelry = 1 in (39 * 2) = 1 in 78 chance = 1.28% chance of getting Noble Duelist Shield
100 - 1.28 = 98.72% chance of not getting Noble Duelist shield
0.9872 ^ 4 = ~95% chance of 4 people not getting Noble Duelist shield on a single run
0.95 ^ 20 = ~36% chance of not getting a Noble Duelist shield amongst 4 people over 20 runs.
So, you had a little bit of bad luck. It was more likely that you would get item than not get item. But 36% is not like some 1 in a million unicorn occurrence.
This math is a little off. Why cut the chance in half just because jewellery are in the mix? Your chances are based off of the total loot pool. Ergo 13 weapons + 2 jewelry options = 15 items.
Multiply by the number of sets:
15 * 3 = 45 total different items
Chance of not getting the Noble Duelist Shield:
44 / 45 =~ 97.8%
Chance of not getting the shield across all 4 group members:
97.8% ^ 4 =~ 91.4%
Chance of getting the shield from any group member per run:
100% - 91.4% =~ 8.6%
Every time you go in you have roughly an 8.6% chance of finding the Nobels Duelist Shield between all group members.
To extrapolate across your 20 ish tries at getting it:
91.4% ^ 20 =~ 16.6% chance of not getting it
100% - 16.6% = 83.4% chance of getting it after 20 attempts between all 4 group members.
Remember that this is just chance and probability. Even after 100 attempts there is no guarantee that it'll drop. The number I'd use is the one per run, 8.6%.
No, his math is right. Because before there is drop chance to weapons, there is 50% it is jewelry. Your math is wrong because you don't take this high jewelry drop rate into account...
Ok. Where does it state this? Not being rude, sincerely want to know.
Statistics? Half of the time u get jewelry. If jewelry was really 2/15 drop chance like the wrong calculations did, we would barely see jewelry.0 -
HailstoSithis✭✭✭SO, after taking a break from running it, i did a run today and i got the bow and shield. the shield dropped off last boss.
EDIT: ps it was on normal modeEdited by HailstoSithis on May 27, 2020 1:55AM1
