I love the Random Vet group finder - not only are you rolling the dice on the dungeon, but also the group you’ll get.

I’ve had some insane Vet DLC groups selecting random vets. I’ve got clears of a number of hard vet DLCs plus some hard modes. I got dropped into a group attempting Fang Lair HM and we nailed it. Nuts. I would never have thought that.

My experience is that these pugs will have at least two players who know what they’re doing and one possible carry. They are generally the silent one lol.

It’s always nice at the end of a hard dungeon that one player is obviously particularly stoked with the clear.

Ofc from time to time, the gamble doesn’t pay off and it’s a wipe fest at an early boss even after some pointers.

That’s the risk I happily take though and all I can do is shrug, tell the group I’m out of time and leave.

Yeah, I’ll keep running them for sure.

shack80 wrote: »

Please dont queue for vet dungeons if you cant seem to remember that you were carried when you were new because there are a lot of new players trying to learn and they don't deserve to be treated smugly by people who act like they were never in that position before..

There. corrected that for you.

shack80 wrote: »

If you think you are too good for pugs. If you are too good for pugs then by all means join a guild and make some friends and form a group to do vet dungeons with people who are like minded, otherwise you will just frustrate yourself and make posts on forums to stir up unnecessary controversy and to complain about things you could easily fix by being proactive in choosing to play differently. Because really, the only person's behavior you can control is your own.

I too fixed that for you. Have a wonderful day

daemonor wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Okay I just have to ask who goes to the que for a smooth run? I mean yeah it works for dailies but that’s about it. I have had to give quick tips before a fight like don’t be next to the edge boss will kick down or having to break a boss fight down piece by piece.

I have had to leave the dungeon make a player a piece of armor or craft a whole or two just cause they were wearing trash drops. Hell you once did that for all three people that was RL friends that just started the game. It’s a free for all you get what you get.

Instead of getting mad and making a post about it you could just help them get better and maybe they can help someone else. If you did you would have more pugs that’s know what to do.

I agree that you're supposed to help others so they can do the same which would on paper make the community more skilled...but damn when you're leveling you 16th char's undauted to 9 thru dailies it gets old.

sounds like burnout

I do 12k dps, queue on vet dlc dungeons for the first time and still don't know what roll dodge is. SUE ME

Eifleber wrote: »

I blame it on Zenimax.

Why? The normal/veteran tier system is severely flawed. Starting players that just did FG1 vet may think the rest of the vet dungeons are of similar difficulty. There is no way of knowing the absolute difficulty of dungeons and most people don' t care to find out on the web.

Dungeons should be divided into say 4 categories
tier 1: easy
tier 2: medium
tier 3: hard
tier 4: very hard

Fg1 and Fg1 vet could both be in "easy" and MHK in "hard" and vMHK in "very hard" for example.
That way new players have a broad idea of the difficulty of a dungeon and may be reluctant to queue for tier 4 runs.

To an extent we have that now, it's just not always easy, or possible, to see. As you're leveling dungeons will open to you at varying levels (easy). At 45 the normal DLCs (easy-medium). At 50 some base game vets (easy-medium). At CP160 more base game vets like vCoA2 (mostly medium) and at 300CP the vet DLCs (hard). Finally vDLC HM (very hard).

If you follow the progression as they become available to you it's a good indicator of the level of difficulty. When you get to the DLCs the rule becomes; the later, the more difficult. The last 2 are the exception but it holds pretty true until that point.

A player who starts doing dungeons +300CP wouldn't be able to see that or necessarily know the order of the DLCs. ZOS could spell that out, but I think if they wanted to provide some relief they could address why some feel so much harder than others.

The vet DLCs are easily the most complained about, but not always for the right reasons. What most people struggle with are the mechanics. Not always the dungeon mechanics, but when they're coupled with player mechanics like dodge, break free, interrupt/bash, or block it can be very difficult. Since MHK was your example, and it's a good one, look at vMHK. 2 of the bosses need an interrupt/bash and some of the trash. You can get a clear easily without obscenely high DPS but without something as simple as an interupt you will not get one at all unless you have obscenely high DPS.

The game does teach us how to do these but does a poor job of reinforcing the need them and creates content where they are crucial. It makes the transition less smooth than it could be.

Unfortunately I do not know of an easy or practical solution and I do not want to see the challenge watered down, so I'll do what I can to help when people are receptive (and that's usually the case) and move on when they're not.

Il be honest I have on occasions checked out mechanic guides for dungeons and then gone to said dungeon... forgotten and died a few times. There is (i find) something rewarding of going into a dungeon with people who are willing to try and you defeat the dungeon.

Sometimes on the job training is the only way you get better at things. Then when I am in dungeons I know well and I can see someone is struggling or does not know a certain mechanic I tell them what they need to do.. simples.

All I would like is what has been mentioned if your a tank... queue as a tank healer queue as healer etc etc.

Shantu wrote: »

That's never going to change. Better to just get over it.

But I just caaaaaaant lol... I am frustrated cant you see.

@Iskiab Oh I wasn't saying that as if there aren't good players in the rando queue.

It was more a display that; if you make an argument and every point can be countered by the literal exact opposite side in the exact same way then it's a very poor argument. I rando queue with a tank friend all the time; we get bad groups we get okay groups we get awesome groups. I mean we got into a vet FG1 where a DPS kept dying and I literally had to take a second to remember that you can actually die in FG1. But we explained the mechanics and stuff and gave him some tips like changing the combat cues color to be pink so it's easier to notice VS red.

But yeah my point was mostly you can't join a rando queue and expect every single member every single time to be top grade. That is exactly what hardcore dungeon/trial guilds are for... to avoid that. Random is random and you should be prepared for every scenario good or bad; the solution shouldn't be "just kick them".