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Are templars (especially magicka) overpowered in PvP in compare to another classes?
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Tipsy✭✭✭No, don't touch my templar main, I like to play with one hand, with phone in another, while smokingYou're joking right? Templar casters feels so lackluster.
To be honest,I'm often jealous of skills npc's are using..the seas of flames they can create ,while skills like impulse pale compared to them(have to look in destro staff line since non of the tempar class skills is that good really for caster)..even farting in a torch would cause a greater lasting impact.And also Impulse barely feels like an attempt to create a fire..
I dont know what has happened.
It feels like they disected most of the skills for sake of pvp maybe?Which might result in unimpressive/impactless skills in pve over the whole line.
Play a magplar healer caster.While they are super at support,they sacrifice a lot for it(in pvp survivability-2 cleaves or so away from being killed once caught in a close encounter)
in general damage output compared to sorc casters etc is not impressive at all.
I guess those in the matches have to get smarter and know always to target the healer first...If not targeted they can change the whole outcome of a match.But thats the only strength a templar magicka caster has.
Such a shame this biased poll too..
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JusticeSouldier✭✭✭✭Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.JusticeSouldier wrote: »MCBIZZLE300 wrote: »Block is overpowered not templar itself.
And in what way it overpowered?:DThey should add a separate stat to BGs called self healing. Having healing only be what healing you do on other people gives people a ridiculous perspective on what’s going on.
Templar and mag in general are moreso struggling with a perception issue. I’m getting a little tired of all these whiner threads.
and what such stat will do , like deny healing of teamates?:D
whats next, debuffing someone to make working only for u also? it's a deadly way.
RIght way for them is to always check of group utilities to keep balance in game...
Cooldowns for synergies are a good way for example.
Total overheal of whole group is a bad thing.
Every class in game struggle with a perception issue before testing, watching numbers, comparing...After that it's not "perception".
No I just mean leave the healing done stat which reflects how much healing is outgoing, but also add a self healing stat. I think it’d clear up a lot of the misconceptions in the game.
Like with resolving vigor I can get the amount up to 4k per tick, but people rage about HTD heals even though the expected value is only maybe 7k.
People are getting all in a huff over nothing, mainly because magplar health drops and then goes up again rather then never dropping because of constant strong hots. Most stam don’t even seem to realize how much stronger their self healing is.
Like a DK complaining about magplar self healing is probably one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen. The complaints would stop if it showed DKs at triple the self healing.
the answer is - Extended ritual. templar has no need in that extremly high selfhealing.
No debuffs, no dots, buffs...
dk or stamsorc or nightblade can have even qudripple more healing and it can still be less than that amount of such dirt cleanced with it instead of selfhealing as only option.all classes. pc platform, dissapointed.0 -
JusticeSouldier✭✭✭✭Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.You're joking right? Templar casters feels so lackluster.
To be honest,I'm often jealous of skills npc's are using..the seas of flames they can create ,while skills like impulse pale compared to them(have to look in destro staff line since non of the tempar class skills is that good really for caster)..even farting in a torch would cause a greater lasting impact.And also Impulse barely feels like an attempt to create a fire..
I dont know what has happened.
It feels like they disected most of the skills for sake of pvp maybe?Which might result in unimpressive/impactless skills in pve over the whole line.
Play a magplar healer caster.While they are super at support,they sacrifice a lot for it(in pvp survivability-2 cleaves or so away from being killed once caught in a close encounter)
in general damage output compared to sorc casters etc is not impressive at all.
I guess those in the matches have to get smarter and know always to target the healer first...If not targeted they can change the whole outcome of a match.But thats the only strength a templar magicka caster has.
Such a shame this biased poll too..
[Snip]
Learn to play with it. It's easiest class, shame to struggle at it.
[Edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Volpe on February 16, 2020 1:42PMall classes. pc platform, dissapointed.0 -
TheFM✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.Well playing BGs I’d say Magplars are a lot harder to play then other classes. I see a bit of Magplars and a lot don’t do well.
Let’s be honest, almost all stam spamming one button (dizzy) or holding block waiting for onslaught is easy mode.
Imagine if magicka got a skill that stuns, snares, AND does damage equivalent to an ulti.1 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, don't touch my templar main, I like to play with one hand, with phone in another, while smokingWell playing BGs I’d say Magplars are a lot harder to play then other classes. I see a bit of Magplars and a lot don’t do well.
Let’s be honest, almost all stam spamming one button (dizzy) or holding block waiting for onslaught is easy mode.
Imagine if magicka got a skill that stuns, snares, AND does damage equivalent to an ulti.
I’d settle for a reliable self heal (rapid regen being a self only heal) so I don’t have to run from team mates who haven’t figured out being at full health is a good thing.
At least with HTD you can face away from team mates to heal yourself, but if you play a mag class without a self heal you’re automaticallly gimped in pvp.
I’d rather a 1v2 then a 2v2 with a new player around me. I think there are some players who’ve figured out they can leach healing too and heal themselves less with a mag around. It only takes one to sink your team in a tight game.Edited by Iskiab on February 16, 2020 4:17AMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten2 -
TheFM✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.Well playing BGs I’d say Magplars are a lot harder to play then other classes. I see a bit of Magplars and a lot don’t do well.
Let’s be honest, almost all stam spamming one button (dizzy) or holding block waiting for onslaught is easy mode.
Imagine if magicka got a skill that stuns, snares, AND does damage equivalent to an ulti.
I’d settle for a reliable self heal (rapid regen being a self only heal) so I don’t have to run from team mates who haven’t figured out being at full health is a good thing.
At least with HTD you can face away from team mates to heal yourself, but if you play a mag class without a self heal you’re automaticallly gimped in pvp.
I’d rather a 1v2 then a 2v2 with a new player around me. I think there are some players who’ve figured out they can leach healing too and heal themselves less with a mag around. It only takes one to sink your team in a tight game.
Yep I can't how many times I died because rapids decided to heal someone else forever away. The favouritism toward stamina atm is palpable. People lost their minds when dots did 17 k over 12 seconds, but this? Totally acceptable.0 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, don't touch my templar main, I like to play with one hand, with phone in another, while smokingWell playing BGs I’d say Magplars are a lot harder to play then other classes. I see a bit of Magplars and a lot don’t do well.
Let’s be honest, almost all stam spamming one button (dizzy) or holding block waiting for onslaught is easy mode.
Imagine if magicka got a skill that stuns, snares, AND does damage equivalent to an ulti.
I’d settle for a reliable self heal (rapid regen being a self only heal) so I don’t have to run from team mates who haven’t figured out being at full health is a good thing.
At least with HTD you can face away from team mates to heal yourself, but if you play a mag class without a self heal you’re automaticallly gimped in pvp.
I’d rather a 1v2 then a 2v2 with a new player around me. I think there are some players who’ve figured out they can leach healing too and heal themselves less with a mag around. It only takes one to sink your team in a tight game.
Yep I can't how many times I died because rapids decided to heal someone else forever away. The favouritism toward stamina atm is palpable. People lost their minds when dots did 17 k over 12 seconds, but this? Totally acceptable.
Wait until next patch where stam will be up 1K or so weapon damage across the board. I was testing vigor and the healing it gives is insane. Easy to build for 4k Vigor tooltips.
Not as much of an issue for magplars, but it’ll hit the other mag classes hard.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
TheFM✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.Well playing BGs I’d say Magplars are a lot harder to play then other classes. I see a bit of Magplars and a lot don’t do well.
Let’s be honest, almost all stam spamming one button (dizzy) or holding block waiting for onslaught is easy mode.
Imagine if magicka got a skill that stuns, snares, AND does damage equivalent to an ulti.
I’d settle for a reliable self heal (rapid regen being a self only heal) so I don’t have to run from team mates who haven’t figured out being at full health is a good thing.
At least with HTD you can face away from team mates to heal yourself, but if you play a mag class without a self heal you’re automaticallly gimped in pvp.
I’d rather a 1v2 then a 2v2 with a new player around me. I think there are some players who’ve figured out they can leach healing too and heal themselves less with a mag around. It only takes one to sink your team in a tight game.
Yep I can't how many times I died because rapids decided to heal someone else forever away. The favouritism toward stamina atm is palpable. People lost their minds when dots did 17 k over 12 seconds, but this? Totally acceptable.
Wait until next patch where stam will be up 1K or so weapon damage across the board. I was testing vigor and the healing it gives is insane. Easy to build for 4k Vigor tooltips.
Not as much of an issue for magplars, but it’ll hit the other mag classes hard.
Its quite obvious that ZoS is pandering to the popular streamers.
Streamers complain about dots - dots nerfed
Streamers complain about faction lock - faction lock removed
Streamers want stam stronger- low and behold stam is stronger
Streamers say harmony pops are fine - left alone
Then you get their fanclub coming in here parroting what they say and boom, we have an atmosphere of clear favoritism.Edited by TheFM on February 16, 2020 2:19PM2 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, don't touch my templar main, I like to play with one hand, with phone in another, while smokingWell playing BGs I’d say Magplars are a lot harder to play then other classes. I see a bit of Magplars and a lot don’t do well.
Let’s be honest, almost all stam spamming one button (dizzy) or holding block waiting for onslaught is easy mode.
Imagine if magicka got a skill that stuns, snares, AND does damage equivalent to an ulti.
I’d settle for a reliable self heal (rapid regen being a self only heal) so I don’t have to run from team mates who haven’t figured out being at full health is a good thing.
At least with HTD you can face away from team mates to heal yourself, but if you play a mag class without a self heal you’re automaticallly gimped in pvp.
I’d rather a 1v2 then a 2v2 with a new player around me. I think there are some players who’ve figured out they can leach healing too and heal themselves less with a mag around. It only takes one to sink your team in a tight game.
Yep I can't how many times I died because rapids decided to heal someone else forever away. The favouritism toward stamina atm is palpable. People lost their minds when dots did 17 k over 12 seconds, but this? Totally acceptable.
Wait until next patch where stam will be up 1K or so weapon damage across the board. I was testing vigor and the healing it gives is insane. Easy to build for 4k Vigor tooltips.
Not as much of an issue for magplars, but it’ll hit the other mag classes hard.
Its quite obvious that ZoS is pandering to the popular streamers.
Streamers complain about dots - dots nerfed
Streamers complain about faction lock - faction lock removed
Streamers want stam stronger- low and behold stam is stronger
Streamers say harmony pops are fine - left alone
Then you get their fanclub coming in here parroting what they say and boom, we have an atmosphere of clear favoritism.
Maybe yea. You’ll still need some mag for cleanse and some support abilities, but Stamwarden will probably end up the best pvp healer.
Oh, 4k when I said 4k vigor ticks I should have clarified, I meant 4k vigor ticks after battle spirit. A lot of stam classes will be almost unkillable.Edited by Iskiab on February 16, 2020 3:24PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't touch my templar main, I like to play with one hand, with phone in another, while smokingWell playing BGs I’d say Magplars are a lot harder to play then other classes. I see a bit of Magplars and a lot don’t do well.
Let’s be honest, almost all stam spamming one button (dizzy) or holding block waiting for onslaught is easy mode.
Imagine if magicka got a skill that stuns, snares, AND does damage equivalent to an ulti.
I’d settle for a reliable self heal (rapid regen being a self only heal) so I don’t have to run from team mates who haven’t figured out being at full health is a good thing.
At least with HTD you can face away from team mates to heal yourself, but if you play a mag class without a self heal you’re automaticallly gimped in pvp.
I’d rather a 1v2 then a 2v2 with a new player around me. I think there are some players who’ve figured out they can leach healing too and heal themselves less with a mag around. It only takes one to sink your team in a tight game.
Yep I can't how many times I died because rapids decided to heal someone else forever away. The favouritism toward stamina atm is palpable. People lost their minds when dots did 17 k over 12 seconds, but this? Totally acceptable.
Wait until next patch where stam will be up 1K or so weapon damage across the board. I was testing vigor and the healing it gives is insane. Easy to build for 4k Vigor tooltips.
Not as much of an issue for magplars, but it’ll hit the other mag classes hard.
Its quite obvious that ZoS is pandering to the popular streamers.
Streamers complain about dots - dots nerfed
Streamers complain about faction lock - faction lock removed
Streamers want stam stronger- low and behold stam is stronger
Streamers say harmony pops are fine - left alone
Then you get their fanclub coming in here parroting what they say and boom, we have an atmosphere of clear favoritism.
Seeing how popular streamers are the reason zos added faction locks to begin with I sincerely doubt that but ok.....0 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Another...Well playing BGs I’d say Magplars are a lot harder to play then other classes. I see a bit of Magplars and a lot don’t do well.
Let’s be honest, almost all stam spamming one button (dizzy) or holding block waiting for onslaught is easy mode.
Imagine if magicka got a skill that stuns, snares, AND does damage equivalent to an ulti.
I’d settle for a reliable self heal (rapid regen being a self only heal) so I don’t have to run from team mates who haven’t figured out being at full health is a good thing.
At least with HTD you can face away from team mates to heal yourself, but if you play a mag class without a self heal you’re automaticallly gimped in pvp.
I’d rather a 1v2 then a 2v2 with a new player around me. I think there are some players who’ve figured out they can leach healing too and heal themselves less with a mag around. It only takes one to sink your team in a tight game.
Yep I can't how many times I died because rapids decided to heal someone else forever away. The favouritism toward stamina atm is palpable. People lost their minds when dots did 17 k over 12 seconds, but this? Totally acceptable.
Wait until next patch where stam will be up 1K or so weapon damage across the board. I was testing vigor and the healing it gives is insane. Easy to build for 4k Vigor tooltips.
Not as much of an issue for magplars, but it’ll hit the other mag classes hard.
Its quite obvious that ZoS is pandering to the popular streamers.
Streamers complain about dots - dots nerfed
Streamers complain about faction lock - faction lock removed
Streamers want stam stronger- low and behold stam is stronger
Streamers say harmony pops are fine - left alone
Then you get their fanclub coming in here parroting what they say and boom, we have an atmosphere of clear favoritism.
Weren't streamers also complaining about Nightblades, Argonians and Werewolves ? Oh well...
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Tipsy✭✭✭No, don't touch my templar main, I like to play with one hand, with phone in another, while smokingJusticeSouldier wrote: »
[Snip]
Learn to play with it. It's easiest class, shame to struggle at it.
[Edited for baiting]
nah I can play with it..saying its the easiest class though is like looking down on people who do household and saying they have an easy life.While one does not clean nappies nor have to do all the dirty work..
Not even knowing half about what is involved & the true situation.
Just like is the case here with the complaints.Saying something is easy is easy..
Templar does not lend itself that well for the mage type as sorcerer. So its not hard to struggle finding skills for that desired playstyle.
One can only hope future dlc will provide new options...but so far it seems only new vampire types will come.
Edited by Tipsy on February 16, 2020 9:37PMhttps://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/462527/champion-of-the-gods-deadra-worship-cp-to-next-level
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/464219/out-of-combat-personality-mood-actionbar
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/279458/content-packs-for-organizing-guild-events
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/276626/suggestion-alliance-specific-justice-system-revisit-the-innocent-npc-label1 -
TheFM✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Well playing BGs I’d say Magplars are a lot harder to play then other classes. I see a bit of Magplars and a lot don’t do well.
Let’s be honest, almost all stam spamming one button (dizzy) or holding block waiting for onslaught is easy mode.
Imagine if magicka got a skill that stuns, snares, AND does damage equivalent to an ulti.
I’d settle for a reliable self heal (rapid regen being a self only heal) so I don’t have to run from team mates who haven’t figured out being at full health is a good thing.
At least with HTD you can face away from team mates to heal yourself, but if you play a mag class without a self heal you’re automaticallly gimped in pvp.
I’d rather a 1v2 then a 2v2 with a new player around me. I think there are some players who’ve figured out they can leach healing too and heal themselves less with a mag around. It only takes one to sink your team in a tight game.
Yep I can't how many times I died because rapids decided to heal someone else forever away. The favouritism toward stamina atm is palpable. People lost their minds when dots did 17 k over 12 seconds, but this? Totally acceptable.
Wait until next patch where stam will be up 1K or so weapon damage across the board. I was testing vigor and the healing it gives is insane. Easy to build for 4k Vigor tooltips.
Not as much of an issue for magplars, but it’ll hit the other mag classes hard.
Its quite obvious that ZoS is pandering to the popular streamers.
Streamers complain about dots - dots nerfed
Streamers complain about faction lock - faction lock removed
Streamers want stam stronger- low and behold stam is stronger
Streamers say harmony pops are fine - left alone
Then you get their fanclub coming in here parroting what they say and boom, we have an atmosphere of clear favoritism.
Weren't streamers also complaining about Nightblades, Argonians and Werewolves ? Oh well...
The list is long.0 -
No, don't touch my templar main, I like to play with one hand, with phone in another, while smokingI think Templar is fine. It is somewhat similar to Necro, not enough own buffs, they have something in common, but at the same time it is a good counter for Necro, which is able to remove Defile and Vulnerability from itself and from other people in one click. I think that's why Magplar has a weaker version of Defile, because Necro is not able to clean up others. I think some people just don't want to accept the fact that for a more effective fight against Templar and Necro they will have to use Major Evasion.
P. S. For the roleplay. Light would not be itself without darkness. Even in the darkest darkness, there is a ray of light. ^^Edited by OrderoftheDarkness on February 17, 2020 5:45AM2 -
JusticeSouldier✭✭✭✭Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.JusticeSouldier wrote: »
[Snip]
Learn to play with it. It's easiest class, shame to struggle at it.
[Edited for baiting]
nah I can play with it..saying its the easiest class though is like looking down on people who do household and saying they have an easy life.While one does not clean nappies nor have to do all the dirty work..
Not even knowing half about what is involved & the true situation.
Just like is the case here with the complaints.Saying something is easy is easy..
Templar does not lend itself that well for the mage type as sorcerer. So its not hard to struggle finding skills for that desired playstyle.
One can only hope future dlc will provide new options...but so far it seems only new vampire types will come.
it's extremly easy class to play due to huge overpowering of it during last patches.
if it's
for u - it's 95% about your own skill.so lackluster
just, try to play a little at mag nightblade for example, or stamsorc, or mag dk to compare...all classes. pc platform, dissapointed.1 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, don't touch my templar main, I like to play with one hand, with phone in another, while smokingJusticeSouldier wrote: »JusticeSouldier wrote: »
[Snip]
Learn to play with it. It's easiest class, shame to struggle at it.
[Edited for baiting]
nah I can play with it..saying its the easiest class though is like looking down on people who do household and saying they have an easy life.While one does not clean nappies nor have to do all the dirty work..
Not even knowing half about what is involved & the true situation.
Just like is the case here with the complaints.Saying something is easy is easy..
Templar does not lend itself that well for the mage type as sorcerer. So its not hard to struggle finding skills for that desired playstyle.
One can only hope future dlc will provide new options...but so far it seems only new vampire types will come.
it's extremly easy class to play due to huge overpowering of it during last patches.
if it's
for u - it's 95% about your own skill.so lackluster
just, try to play a little at mag nightblade for example, or stamsorc, or mag dk to compare...
Magblade is definitely weaker. I don’t know stam very well to compare how they are. MagDK is pretty good according to those who play it.
Stamsorc though if it has an advantage it would be sustain, speed and a touch higher weapon damage which are all good in pvp. They might make a comeback this coming patch just because of all the crazy weapon damage buffs. IDK the class well, but I’d try NMA (BRP DW back bar) plus Kena on a stamsorc for crazy vigor and rally tooltips. I think stamsorcs will be able to hit 7-8k weapon damage this patch.Edited by Iskiab on February 17, 2020 3:03PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
TheFM✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.JusticeSouldier wrote: »JusticeSouldier wrote: »
[Snip]
Learn to play with it. It's easiest class, shame to struggle at it.
[Edited for baiting]
nah I can play with it..saying its the easiest class though is like looking down on people who do household and saying they have an easy life.While one does not clean nappies nor have to do all the dirty work..
Not even knowing half about what is involved & the true situation.
Just like is the case here with the complaints.Saying something is easy is easy..
Templar does not lend itself that well for the mage type as sorcerer. So its not hard to struggle finding skills for that desired playstyle.
One can only hope future dlc will provide new options...but so far it seems only new vampire types will come.
it's extremly easy class to play due to huge overpowering of it during last patches.
if it's
for u - it's 95% about your own skill.so lackluster
just, try to play a little at mag nightblade for example, or stamsorc, or mag dk to compare...
Playing a necro, warden or Templar as a mag dk is a test of futility atm.0 -
TheFM✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.JusticeSouldier wrote: »JusticeSouldier wrote: »
[Snip]
Learn to play with it. It's easiest class, shame to struggle at it.
[Edited for baiting]
nah I can play with it..saying its the easiest class though is like looking down on people who do household and saying they have an easy life.While one does not clean nappies nor have to do all the dirty work..
Not even knowing half about what is involved & the true situation.
Just like is the case here with the complaints.Saying something is easy is easy..
Templar does not lend itself that well for the mage type as sorcerer. So its not hard to struggle finding skills for that desired playstyle.
One can only hope future dlc will provide new options...but so far it seems only new vampire types will come.
it's extremly easy class to play due to huge overpowering of it during last patches.
if it's
for u - it's 95% about your own skill.so lackluster
just, try to play a little at mag nightblade for example, or stamsorc, or mag dk to compare...
Magblade is definitely weaker. I don’t know stam very well to compare how they are. MagDK is pretty good according to those who play it.
Stamsorc though if it has an advantage it would be sustain, speed and a touch higher weapon damage which are all good in pvp. They might make a comeback this coming patch just because of all the crazy weapon damage buffs. IDK the class well, but I’d try NMA (BRP DW back bar) plus Kena on a stamsorc for crazy vigor and rally tooltips. I think stamsorcs will be able to hit 7-8k weapon damage this patch.
Mag dk is hurting, it only shines in a group setting and even then other msg classes are better, it is bottom of the barrel with mag nb atm.1 -
ElvenVeil✭✭✭
Imagine if magicka got a skill that stuns, snares, AND does damage equivalent to an ulti.
well I guess I will take your bait, as you are obviously refering to dizzy swing.. It seems to me like you either purposefully like to spread misinformation, or just lie out of habbit. I already showed to you in another thread how frags reach ult numbers , but only by scaling 1.46 spell damage + 35% damage boost, from the proc. You could not believe that it got anywhere near ultimate.. Dizzy scales 1.28xweapon damage and has no additional % boost, and you think that brings you into ultimate range? It's very far from being anywhere near^^ I imagine (hope?) you can see that the numbers are very different. So please start at least making sure that what you say has some factual basis, instead of just constantly saying stuff that just isn't true.Edited by ElvenVeil on February 18, 2020 2:47AM1 -
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✭✭Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.
Imagine if magicka got a skill that stuns, snares, AND does damage equivalent to an ulti.
well I guess I will take your bait, as you are obviously refering to dizzy swing.. It seems to me like you either purposefully like to spread misinformation, or just lie out of habbit. I already showed to you in another thread how frags reach ult numbers , but only by scaling 1.46 spell damage + 35% damage boost, from the proc. You could not believe that it got anywhere near ultimate.. Dizzy scales 1.28xweapon damage and has no additional % boost, and you think that brings you into ultimate range? It's very far from being anywhere near^^ I imagine (hope?) you can see that the numbers are very different. So please start at least making sure that what you say has some factual basis, instead of just constantly saying stuff that just isn't true.
I was pointing out the massive hypocrisy in the community . There is a massive bias and favouritism toward Stam atm. It hits harder, is cheaper, and has way better sets. If you can't see that I dunno what to say.2 -
JusticeSouldier✭✭✭✭Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.JusticeSouldier wrote: »JusticeSouldier wrote: »
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Learn to play with it. It's easiest class, shame to struggle at it.
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nah I can play with it..saying its the easiest class though is like looking down on people who do household and saying they have an easy life.While one does not clean nappies nor have to do all the dirty work..
Not even knowing half about what is involved & the true situation.
Just like is the case here with the complaints.Saying something is easy is easy..
Templar does not lend itself that well for the mage type as sorcerer. So its not hard to struggle finding skills for that desired playstyle.
One can only hope future dlc will provide new options...but so far it seems only new vampire types will come.
it's extremly easy class to play due to huge overpowering of it during last patches.
if it's
for u - it's 95% about your own skill.so lackluster
just, try to play a little at mag nightblade for example, or stamsorc, or mag dk to compare...
Magblade is definitely weaker. I don’t know stam very well to compare how they are. MagDK is pretty good according to those who play it.
Stamsorc though if it has an advantage it would be sustain, speed and a touch higher weapon damage which are all good in pvp. They might make a comeback this coming patch just because of all the crazy weapon damage buffs. IDK the class well, but I’d try NMA (BRP DW back bar) plus Kena on a stamsorc for crazy vigor and rally tooltips. I think stamsorcs will be able to hit 7-8k weapon damage this patch.
stamsorc's weapon damage is much less now than stamplars... but second one has cleance and more resourses, and things to time out damage and own ultimate without cast time, and class spammable which is much much muich better that dizzy spam.
any comparison.
and magplar is stronger than stamplar.all classes. pc platform, dissapointed.0 -
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✭✭✭No, don't touch my templar main, I like to play with one hand, with phone in another, while smokingJusticeSouldier wrote: »JusticeSouldier wrote: »JusticeSouldier wrote: »
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Learn to play with it. It's easiest class, shame to struggle at it.
[Edited for baiting]
nah I can play with it..saying its the easiest class though is like looking down on people who do household and saying they have an easy life.While one does not clean nappies nor have to do all the dirty work..
Not even knowing half about what is involved & the true situation.
Just like is the case here with the complaints.Saying something is easy is easy..
Templar does not lend itself that well for the mage type as sorcerer. So its not hard to struggle finding skills for that desired playstyle.
One can only hope future dlc will provide new options...but so far it seems only new vampire types will come.
it's extremly easy class to play due to huge overpowering of it during last patches.
if it's
for u - it's 95% about your own skill.so lackluster
just, try to play a little at mag nightblade for example, or stamsorc, or mag dk to compare...
Magblade is definitely weaker. I don’t know stam very well to compare how they are. MagDK is pretty good according to those who play it.
Stamsorc though if it has an advantage it would be sustain, speed and a touch higher weapon damage which are all good in pvp. They might make a comeback this coming patch just because of all the crazy weapon damage buffs. IDK the class well, but I’d try NMA (BRP DW back bar) plus Kena on a stamsorc for crazy vigor and rally tooltips. I think stamsorcs will be able to hit 7-8k weapon damage this patch.
stamsorc's weapon damage is much less now than stamplars... but second one has cleance and more resourses, and things to time out damage and own ultimate without cast time, and class spammable which is much much muich better that dizzy spam.
any comparison.
and magplar is stronger than stamplar.
Maybe, it might also depend on the setting. In no-CP BGs I agree magplar is stronger than stamplar, but in CP pvp I’ve found it usually stalemates and stamplar is tankier than magplar. I have no idea why CPs would make such a difference, but I think they do.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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✭✭✭✭✭Trancestor wrote: »Magplar stronger than stamplar lul, said by no one who played both
I play both often and its pretty close. Stamplar played right is a little better at killing. Magplar is a lot easier though with the burst heal on demand with a block to reset a fight, and living dark with ER can be greater than vigor+ER in a large fight, then throw in passive healing with sweeps, and better CP and crit scaling with empowering sweeps.
If RD was more responsive it might pass it, but tooltips asside, having executioner fire off without delay and all damage instant makes the difference on execute and unmatched outside of pre-set sorc exe1 -
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✭✭Another...Zoo Sorcs, literally all stam specs with Onslaught (there's a reason many of us Magplar mains are going 2H/frost staff now), Mag DKs, Necro bombers, Major Defile Stam Necros after the patch drops...all more powerful than Magplar, and way more annoying to fight.PC/Xbox NA
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✭Another...Zoo Sorcs, literally all stam specs with Onslaught (there's a reason many of us Magplar mains are going 2H/frost staff now), Mag DKs, Necro bombers, Major Defile Stam Necros after the patch drops...all more powerful than Magplar, and way more annoying to fight.
Shhh nevermind those other strong classes/specs. Dont you know that magplars are supposed to be healbot pinatas?!? Also i dont know much about magplars soo lets just say they are OP bcz of jabs lol. You better believe i have tons of anecdotal evidence to back me up.2 -
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✭✭Another...Zoo Sorcs, literally all stam specs with Onslaught (there's a reason many of us Magplar mains are going 2H/frost staff now), Mag DKs, Necro bombers, Major Defile Stam Necros after the patch drops...all more powerful than Magplar, and way more annoying to fight.
Shhh nevermind those other strong classes/specs. Dont you know that magplars are supposed to be healbot pinatas?!? Also i dont know much about magplars soo lets just say they are OP bcz of jabs lol. You better believe i have tons of anecdotal evidence to back me up.
You make an excellent point sir. I stand corrected.PC/Xbox NA
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Lirkin✭✭✭✭Another...These are not fair because it is all opinion and the way the options are worded makes is slanted the way the poster thinks.
I think they are fine. I do think that some classes need attention PVP and even in PVE.
My opinion from leveling multiple classes on multiple accounts is that most stamina classes do not have good enough healing.
Also some skills have been nerfed into the ground.
Linking PVP and PVE with the skills will never ever be balanced!!!
The only way to completely balance PVP is to limit damage and mitigation to a set amount.
Over time I see classes losing the uniqueness because their unique skill are being nerfed so that most skill being used by those classes are the general skills everyone has access too.
Look at heavy armor I run one heavy armor on all my characters because I need the regen I get with light or medium armors in PVE so a real heavy armor character for PVE is only good for a tank.
I don't see this game better since it started but more restricted with how to make a character for the higher level game.0 -
JusticeSouldier✭✭✭✭Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.Trancestor wrote: »Magplar stronger than stamplar lul, said by no one who played both
Yes, I play both.
And everything I said here is based at analysis and experience.
Magplar is tankier, he's healbot for others.
That's why it's so stupid that this class is best and versatile at the same time, has every tool for combat against every class existing in eso.
And, this is much more important than more burst (but not incredibly more to be clear) of stamplar.
Magplar is stronger than stamplar. and actually with and without cp.
Surely I talk only about experienced ones. vs equal experienced another classes.
...for low lvl pvp, sorry, there is any calculations possible.all classes. pc platform, dissapointed.0