A vast majority of players want free port or port reduction fee tickets/vouchers

Agenericname · February 2020

xbobx15 wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

mikemacon wrote: »

you can travel to a house you own for free. many have wayshrines pretty much right next door.

Apartments are particularly useful such as the one in Rimmen. Literally walk out of your door into the middle of the capital city of the zone with every thing you need .

phileunderx2 wrote: »

This one has millions of in game gold. This one does not worry about the price of convenience.

yep 146 gold is nothing. I pay that in sales tax on one item in the trader.

Ermiq wrote: »

Loading screens is what prevents me from using my home as a free transit point.
It bothers me every time to look at the loading screen when I port to my house and then exit the house, and then go to the nearby wayshrine, and then port to another wayshrine within the zone. There are 3 loading screens, that's kind of a fee that I have to pay to be able to port for free. Not a good deal for me, that's why I don't like the idea of "Housing as a free teleport", and I never use it as a free teleport. It just doesn't worth it.

Rimmen?

Kahnak wrote: »

I'm not going to pretend to understand the reason why we are charged money to teleport, but I'm going to go out on a limb assume that it has something to do with the nature of wayshrines.

That being said, I'm not particularly bothered by having to spend a little bit of gold to teleport. This isn't the only game that does it. Looking at the responses in this thread, I'm a little dubious of the 'A vast majority of players want this' claim.

Gold sink, helps curb inflation.

so 146 nothing but it is something that curbs inflation. Sorry, it can't be both things. 146 wayshrines doesn't do a thing to curb inflation, it is too insignificant.

Its significant when enough people use it. For a game with millions, say 3 million just as an example, if 10% of the players use it once per day at 146 gold it is 43.8M gold removed from the economy per day.

Then given back in the daily rewards.

ShawnLaRock · February 2020

You lost me at your unfounded claim of, “a vast majority of players.”

And Crown Store wayshrine furnishing - are you serious? Umm... News Flash! - your house IS a wayshrine. Derp.

S.

Katahdin · February 2020

I don't see this as a problem other than people being overly impatient and lazy.

Wayshrines are literally 10 seconds from just about everywhere.

Porting to a small house and leaving the house takes less time than running out of some delves, other delves end near the door anyway.

Respect4Elders · February 2020

Join one or more guilds with around 500 members each to maximize the number of players online at any given time. When u need to port go to your rosters and sort by location to find free transpo to the local you're interested in.

Anotherone773 · February 2020

xbobx15 wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

mikemacon wrote: »

you can travel to a house you own for free. many have wayshrines pretty much right next door.

Apartments are particularly useful such as the one in Rimmen. Literally walk out of your door into the middle of the capital city of the zone with every thing you need .

phileunderx2 wrote: »

This one has millions of in game gold. This one does not worry about the price of convenience.

yep 146 gold is nothing. I pay that in sales tax on one item in the trader.

Ermiq wrote: »

Loading screens is what prevents me from using my home as a free transit point.
It bothers me every time to look at the loading screen when I port to my house and then exit the house, and then go to the nearby wayshrine, and then port to another wayshrine within the zone. There are 3 loading screens, that's kind of a fee that I have to pay to be able to port for free. Not a good deal for me, that's why I don't like the idea of "Housing as a free teleport", and I never use it as a free teleport. It just doesn't worth it.

Rimmen?

Kahnak wrote: »

I'm not going to pretend to understand the reason why we are charged money to teleport, but I'm going to go out on a limb assume that it has something to do with the nature of wayshrines.

That being said, I'm not particularly bothered by having to spend a little bit of gold to teleport. This isn't the only game that does it. Looking at the responses in this thread, I'm a little dubious of the 'A vast majority of players want this' claim.

Gold sink, helps curb inflation.

so 146 nothing but it is something that curbs inflation. Sorry, it can't be both things. 146 wayshrines doesn't do a thing to curb inflation, it is too insignificant.

Actually it can be both. 146 gold is nothing for me( ive paid 1318 gold for a gold port in addition to the gold ports it took me to get that high) but it also a gold sink.

It is not much but gold sinks are not suppose to be much. They are suppose to be like a tax not discourage you from the activity.

DarcyMardin · February 2020

Ah...another “vast majority” thread. /sigh

Nerouyn · February 2020

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

Who is this "vast majority"?

Perhaps the "vast majority" of ESO players have only just exited the tutorial and haven't acquired their free inn room yet.

SeaGtGruff · February 2020

JadonSky wrote: »

Is 146 gold really that expensive for people, i mean unless your porting back to back to back in which I would think after the first port you would be near a wayshrine to port again. Walk and enjoy the scenery its one of the many things that makes this game great.

I think the tremendous rise in price when you do back-to-back porting is the issue. And it isn't so much that you've just ported to a wayshrine, so why not just use it to port to another wayshrine for free? Rather, I think it's the fact that the higher price is in effect until it (very slowly) ticks back down to the normal price. So if you pay the normal fee to port, then you go run off to do whatever it is you ported there to do, then you want to pay to port again, you're going to have to pay that higher price. And if you do that enough times in a row, the price quickly becomes so large that it takes a long time to tick back down to normal.

I don't pay to port to wayshrines, and I don't mind having to sit through 3 loading screens-- 1 to port home, 1 to leave home, and 1 to take the wayshrine near home to where I'd actually wanted to go-- so it isn't an issue for me, and I can make light of it by talking about hungry Khajiit young-uns. But I also totally get where the request is coming from.

Lady_Lindel · February 2020

Guess if you don't have a problem with it, you haven't been a crafter doing multiple surveys. Even porting to my house gives a time penalty which increases cost of porting to a wayshrine. 146 gold for first is fine but once it hits a thousand or more it is a nuisancce. I think all travel should be free. The penalties are simply causes another form of grinding. And why can't we just pick up surveys when we have more than 1 of the same, in one fell swoop.

SeaGtGruff · February 2020

Lady_Lindel wrote: »

Guess if you don't have a problem with it, you haven't been a crafter doing multiple surveys.

Actually, I am a crafter and I have done multiple surveys. But as it happens, I haven't done surveys in a long time; I've just been letting them pile up in my bank. Now that I have ESO+ and don't need to worry about whether or not I have enough free slots to do surveys, I really ought to take a night or two to do a bunch of surveys, and start making it a habit to either do them as soon as I get them, or at least do a bunch of them once a week.

In any case, I've never had a problem with riding, walking, or sneaking to the nearest wayshrine so I can avoid a fee. The little bit of time that I'd save just isn't that precious to me, I guess.

bmnoble · February 2020

Just port to a house, a guild member or a friend, the only time I pay is when I want to go straight to the location and none of the mentioned before are in that zone or I get stuck.

Hell I have bought houses in some locations you can't unlock the wayshrine without first doing the main zone quest in just to get access to the wayshrine on alts without questing.

If you a new player and don't have many shrines unlocked just ask for a port in zone chat, more often than not someone will be willing to help you out.

If you complaining about the 2 minute wait after doing a dungeon, quite a few have a portal back to the entrance or a quick exit near the last boss fight, the others you can usually reach the entrance before the timers even half way through. Assuming you don't just port out.

Nomadic_Atmoran · February 2020

xbobx15 wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

Why? There are wayshrines everywhere. The only time I ever pay to port anywhere is when my toons get stuck...

so you have never been in a dungeon for 2min wait wanting to leave or just killed the boss of a delve and not want to run through the whole delve again to get out?

You can easily just port to your house for free, or a friend, or a guildie.

Kiralyn2000 · February 2020

A vast majority of players want...

We do?

Lady_Lindel wrote: »

Guess if you don't have a problem with it, you haven't been a crafter doing multiple surveys.

I do 90+ every time an ESO+ weekend happens. Works just fine. /shrug
(and I don't even have "port to friend/guildie" as an option. Wayshrines, houses, and the periodic 146g are plenty.)

kargen27 · February 2020

I'm guessing a vast majority of players really don't care about this issue. If they were free I doubt anybody would complain but this change probably isn't anywhere near the top of players concerns.

Sylvermynx · February 2020

I don't mind the 146 g (and of course, it's less if you're moving lower levels around). I have enough gold on my 2 PC/NA accounts to do whatever (though I do get snarky if my main wants to shrine and the gold cost is 800+ - at that point, if it's not an emergency, I'm not doing it). But the base cost isn't an issue.

I save up surveys to do, so moving around can become an issue. I have all the inn rooms plus several other houses on both accounts, and I don't get upset with load screens, so works for me.

PC/EU is a different story as I don't have as much gold there, so I don't spend as much on wayshrining while doing surveys. It's situational....

LordGavus · February 2020

I'll sell you some port vouchers for 500g each. You'll never have to pay gold to port again.

They're totally legit and worth it, hit me up in game

Sanctum74 · February 2020

I think it’s a great idea. In most cases it’s not needed but when doing surveys or trying to find gear in various homes it would save thousands$$$ or quite a bit of travel time.

thadjarvis · February 2020

MMO’s need gold sinks. Without them you’d see massive price inflation. It’s really not high to an individual (even if lazy like me), but it probably adds up to a lot.

Imo it’s the perfect kind of gold sink: not too annoying but meaningful in aggregate.

XIIICaesar · February 2020

Get the free inns or but the cheaper player housing with gold > most have watching next to them. OR join a guild/add people to friend list > travel to player

Dusk_Coven · February 2020

Seriously when was the last time you paid for a wayshrine? Port to guild member (which is free) puts you at a shrine. From there free-port to the actual shrine you want.

You want free? How about they link up the carts and boats like the Transitus Shrine network in Cyrodiil and make that free? It could be a lore-friendly and entirely plausible way to access locations you haven't even mapped. Would also beat figuring out the dialog with the Navigator when you're trying to cross alliances. Just show one link leaving the border to the adjacent zone.

FierceSam · February 2020

The vast majority of players think this idea is ridiculous.

UppGRAYxDD · February 2020

The vast majority paying for ESO plus should get free ports...

deano469 · February 2020

xbobx15 wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

Why? There are wayshrines everywhere. The only time I ever pay to port anywhere is when my toons get stuck...

so you have never been in a dungeon for 2min wait wanting to leave or just killed the boss of a delve and not want to run through the whole delve again to get out?

If you are grouped with someone, you can travel to them and you end up at the beginning of the delve. Saves a decent amount of time.

SirLeeMinion · February 2020

Has anyone, besides OP, ever wanted for this?!

zaria · February 2020

RD065 wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

Why? There are wayshrines everywhere. The only time I ever pay to port anywhere is when my toons get stuck...

Because others just want to go go go. No time to take 4 steps to the left and use a wayshine.

This one gotta go fast.

Anotherone773 · February 2020

SirLeeMinion wrote: »

Has anyone, besides OP, ever wanted for this?!

This one time i wished for a free port and then i died to a npc, hit R and all of the sudden i was at a wayshrine. #wishesdocometrue

Zenzuki · February 2020

You could always bloodport!

The gear repair fee would be less then 146g I'm sure.

BackStabeth · February 2020

xbobx15 wrote: »

or just remove port fees because - why?

or put a wayshrine in the crown store as a furnishing like so many people asked for.

Hey, if you can buy a portal that Cadwell can use to pop in and do a dance, why can you use a portal to tele out of.

ZoS is asking people to pay what amounts to a lot of real world money to purchase houses in the crown store, and these houses almost always are a hike, a long hike from any wayshrine. It's my feeling these houses should come with a wayshrine considering how stupid expensive they are and that they can only be purchased with real world currency.

So far as the wayshrine gold charge is concerned, I don't get it, I don't understand it at all. It makes no logical sense, unless it's ZoS's intent to force us to run from place to place so that we want to increase our mount speed and stam, and not being able to do it fast enough for our liking, buy from the crown store the scrolls to increase our mount speed. This also seems to be the reason for not allowing wayshrines in homes I suspect.

This is a problem in most MMOs with the intent of being a pure profit machine. Often times that demand to make more money, to squeeze the player base so hard for every penny that can be squeezed it negatively affects the game mechanics.

Have you ever been on the other side of a hill from where you needed to be, but to get there you have to run way out of your way to get around terrain you should be able to run up and over? Then when you look at the map, you see there is a wayshrine close, but locked because you haven't gone overland, way out of your way, to unlock it yet? That is done so people pay more money into the game and affects our gameplay negatively, strictly to try and squeeze more money from us.

People quit because of the frustration in game mechanics intended to squeeze players pockets for every entertainment penny they can.

ESO makes ZoS a crazy amount of profit, they can give some of that back in the form of wayshrines, reduction or removal of fees, etc. They won't, but they easily could.

newtinmpls · February 2020

Veinblood1965 wrote: »

9 out of 10 Khajit's surveyed want this..

Join a few more guilds, and start making friends and you will literally have hundreds of free porting options.

El_Borracho · February 2020

Huh. I had no idea that the optional cost of 146 in video game gold to port to a wayshrine was actually a part of an over-arching conspiracy by greedy capitalist video game producers to separate me from my paycheck. Nor was I aware that the housing market in Tamriel was run by oligarchs seeking to make a profit on the proletariat.

Fortunately, I showed them by using a widely known, advertised, and often used secret, unknown method of porting to a friend or guildmate for free. Or, in desperate times, porting to the free apartment I also received in the game.

Check mate, evil overlords!!