SMW1980b14a_ESO wrote: »If you are standing in one place repeatedly killing the very second a boss spawns I honestly do mot care if you are afk or not. It does not make a difference as the result is exactly the same to me. Why should I differentiate, you are just a big a problem as the bot beside you only less intellegent at least he has something mindless doing his mindless task, whats your excuse?
Fyi I have been told firsthand to do this by Zenimax management so until I hear otherwise I will continue to do so. There is a good chance it was me personally that reported you (I have sent in many many many reports) and I do not feel the least bit bad.
People like you are terrible.
I've had to kill the same boss 3-5 times for it to count for me. Many times I'll get several hits in but be unable to loot the boss. Probably do to lag or some other glitch. I'm not doing anything wrong, but with your flawed logic you'd report me.
What I find particularly ironic, is that you're going to do it without any thought or consideration until told to do otherwise. That means you yourself are now performing a bot like action.
Pardon me but I posses bi-pedal movement. Clearly this makes me an automaton. Lol
What is with the whack-a-moles?
It is not about farming people and NO ONE has an issue with that. What we do take serious issue with is hinderinv other peoples gameplay.
Seriously what do these types just not understand about that? Are they miasing tue basic concept or something? You can still farm perfectly well In the overland go hard and have it.
You are NOT allowed to hinder another player which is exactly what was happening and for god sakes. this is AGAINST your precious TOS and no amount of bold will change that. Get over yourselves already.
What is with the whack-a-moles?
It is not about farming people and NO ONE has an issue with that. What we do take serious issue with is hinderinv other peoples gameplay.
Seriously what do these types just not understand about that? Are they miasing tue basic concept or something? You can still farm perfectly well In the overland go hard and have it.
You are NOT allowed to hinder another player which is exactly what was happening and for god sakes. this is AGAINST your precious TOS and no amount of bold will change that. Get over yourselves already.
Additionally as they are changing bosses to not be farmable it turns out I and everyone else which is a large number can very much dictate how you play thee game or more precisly how you may not.
Daverios wrote:Fyi I have been told firsthand to do this by Zenimax management so until I hear otherwise I will continue to do so. There is a good chance it was me personally that reported you (I have sent in many many many reports) and I do not feel the least bit bad.
Daverios wrote:If you are standing in one place repeatedly killing the second boss spawns I honestly do mot care if you are afk or not. It does not make a difference as the result is exactly the same to me.
What is with the whack-a-moles?
It is not about farming people and NO ONE has an issue with that. What we do take serious issue with is hinderinv other peoples gameplay.
Seriously what do these types just not understand about that? Are they miasing tue basic concept or something? You can still farm perfectly well In the overland go hard and have it.
You are NOT allowed to hinder another player which is exactly what was happening and for god sakes. this is AGAINST your precious TOS and no amount of bold will change that. Get over yourselves already.
Additionally as they are changing bosses to not be farmable it turns out I and everyone else which is a large number can very much dictate how you play thee game or more precisly how you may not.
Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »My friend got booted offline for spamming chat, funny thing was he didnt type a word in chat. He was able to log back in though.
What is with the whack-a-moles?
It is not about farming people and NO ONE has an issue with that. What we do take serious issue with is hinderinv other peoples gameplay.
Seriously what do these types just not understand about that? Are they miasing tue basic concept or something? You can still farm perfectly well In the overland go hard and have it.
You are NOT allowed to hinder another player which is exactly what was happening and for god sakes. this is AGAINST your precious TOS and no amount of bold will change that. Get over yourselves already.
Additionally as they are changing bosses to not be farmable it turns out I and everyone else which is a large number can very much dictate how you play thee game or more precisly how you may not.
I have no problem with nerfs to farming if that's what ZOS want, I have no problem with them saying no to farming if they don't like it.
BUT
ZOS have stated (as posted earlier in the thread) that farming public dungeons bosses is not against the TOS/EULA. You're in this thread however telling us that their public post on this is a lie and you have been giving permission by a member of ZOS management to report players who farm bosses as bots in order for them to be punished.Daverios wrote:Fyi I have been told firsthand to do this by Zenimax management so until I hear otherwise I will continue to do so. There is a good chance it was me personally that reported you (I have sent in many many many reports) and I do not feel the least bit bad.
By your own words you admit that you report players who stand and kill bosses more than a couple of times for abuse of the game and botting because you personally dislike.Daverios wrote:If you are standing in one place repeatedly killing the second boss spawns I honestly do mot care if you are afk or not. It does not make a difference as the result is exactly the same to me.
So what we want now is either proof from you or ZOS that what you are doing is endorsed by them because otherwise you're making false reports which could be getting innocent players banned and clogging up the CS system for people making valid claims on botting.
I have a feeling there will still be tons of players sitting on the bosses for many reasons; it's still not against the TOS; the botters just don't care and there will still be some there; there will always be a steady influx of new players seeking the achievement and boss loot; and there will still be a bunch of people on timers who still kill the boss because they're not sure when their timer is up, etc. The things that people who are against boss farming are complaining about will still exist. Only, now instead of having to wait 30 seconds for the boss to respawn so you can get your achievement and/or loot, you'll be waiting 10 minutes - or however long the timer is, and now, in between boss kills everyone will be running around like crazy farming the trash mobs. And unless they've adjusted the loot, you're almost certain to not get the blue item the boss drops on your first attempt, not to mention the 3-piece sets.
People will now run around in these dungeons farming the trash in between boss kills now. Kill boss, farm trash for 10 minutes, rinse and repeat.
@Daverios I have no problem with them nerfing farming and in fact I agree with you there should be something done to get it under control. I'm interested to read more about their timers and how they plan to implement them.
What I can't agree on you with is your apparent ZOS management given power to report farmers, and you apparent willingness to report anyone who tries to kill a boss more than once before moving on.
This contradicts everything ZOS have publicly posted on these forums in regards to farming public dungeon bosses and if what you're saying is true that means that ZOS customer service representatives lied to the masses and posted false information on their forums which could lead to players being banned from the game.
I don't want them to side with me or you in regards to allowing farming or banning farming in any way, whatever changes they make to the game I will adapt and continue to play (though I will tell them of ideas I feel are flawed or could be improved).
What I do want is for them to choose a side on in whether or not their company endorses the reporting of any player who is killing a boss more than once so that they can be banned, which is what you have said a member of their management told you to do.
Daverios,
Let me spell this out for you:
5. Reporting actual bots is fine and nobody has a problem with that.
6. There is no way for you to tell who is actually trying to get credit for a quest and who is farming a boss.
7. Even if you could tell they were simply farming, Zenimax has stated it is not against the TOS....this has been pointed out to you numerous times.
If you have been suspended for Farming bosses and are looking for something to do, why not be the boss of you own farm, with Farm Simulator 2013, it even has multiplayer!
I have a feeling there will still be tons of players sitting on the bosses for many reasons; it's still not against the TOS; the botters just don't care and there will still be some there; there will always be a steady influx of new players seeking the achievement and boss loot; and there will still be a bunch of people on timers who still kill the boss because they're not sure when their timer is up, etc. The things that people who are against boss farming are complaining about will still exist. Only, now instead of having to wait 30 seconds for the boss to respawn so you can get your achievement and/or loot, you'll be waiting 10 minutes - or however long the timer is, and now, in between boss kills everyone will be running around like crazy farming the trash mobs. And unless they've adjusted the loot, you're almost certain to not get the blue item the boss drops on your first attempt, not to mention the 3-piece sets.
People will now run around in these dungeons farming the trash in between boss kills now. Kill boss, farm trash for 10 minutes, rinse and repeat.
FYI the loot timer is shared for the entire cave and also all other caves. Farming trash will be fruitless while timed is on effect no loot and poor exp compared to the outside. It will take a couple days for people to catch on but they will.
GossiTheDog wrote: »Somebody told me they were going to report me as a bot because I refused their guild invite.
And they did.