RefLiberty wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Blame ZOS not players. There should be at least recommended DPS number near every dungeon icon and on loading screen to that dungeon. This will greatly reduce toxicity.

How can you put an official DPS number requirement when the game is not officially providing a tool or option to measure it in-game without a mod?
If that is not stupid, it is at least unprofessional for any serious company.

Also it wont fix the issue

People will still want you to have 80k dps because they wanna skip mechanics

So it is best to find like minded people because I cleared all vet dungeons with 35k dps with no issue

Most of the time I was even doing 60% of dps....

MachoKen wrote: »

witchdoctor wrote: »

I'll be blunt: join a guild. There are many great guilds out there, and you can join 5. You'll never have to deal with randoms.

I'm part of 4 guilds, they have schedules that i cant attend and most times when i spam in chat that i need a group out of 300 people just 1 gives an answer. Guilds are overrated in this game, totally overrated.

To be blunt, you need different guilds. Specifically look for progression guilds that have schedules that work for you.

The general pug community is no more toxic here than any other game I've played, less so in many ways. If you are getting that kind of attitude from guild members, you are just in the wrong guilds. An active progression guild will have noob nights or learn the mechanics runs, though it behooves you to watch some youtube or twitch to see how the dungeon/trial works.

i'm not sure where you are come from, but let me tell you from my experience

1. pugging Trial never a great idea, its hit or miss, so expect it that much
2. if you are new to the trial, either normal or vet, just tell them at the start before it begin, if they want to help or not its up to them, but at least you tell them, in my experience they always help, especially in Normal trial
3. i play from SEA, and its 12+ hours diff from NA, i join my local country guild, couple of aussies guild, and couple of international and trading guild, and have almost no problem at all at joining Trial, thus, i think you need to be more active or looking more appropriate guild
4. toxic people always exist, again in my experience the community of this game are quite healthy and positive, theres always bad egg in the bunch, so don;t take it too seriously

MachoKen wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

Nothing as entertaining where it turns out the person complaining about toxicity (which is a legit issue) turns out to be the most toxic person in the thread. GG
Perhaps you can work on your own behavior and then you'll get along better with people?

Being toxic and being real are 2 different things, im not here to say "hey, waste your life or get out" like that guy basically said said. That was toxic and elitist which i gave him/her a proper answer. If you don't like that and you too are spreading that child drama, then hey tough guy, post your stuff on someone else thread

You are the only person in this thread who read his response and had that as the takeaway...after reading your other responses I can understand why you might have difficulty finding people to help you, I know I wouldn't recommend you join any of my guilds after reading your responses.

MachoKen wrote: »

Greevir wrote: »

Op talks about combating toxicity yet is toxic themselves...

"I can understand what you are saying but..dont take it personally, i have a life and enjoy my showers, not gonna waste it to spend my life role playing a guy on a videogame xD"

"Real endgame is forgetting my irl existence, ignoring my kids and babe just to be a top tier ESO gamer? Ty for your reply and opinion but no thanks bud, have a good day "

Yeah, because what you posted is required to put some effort into the game...

Those weren't advices, those were what this thread is all about, elistism and toxicity ingame related my friend, that guy basically said "hey, play ESO like your real life or move on cause no one will play with you" thats what an elitist would say and he probably has elitist behaviour ingame, felt offended and came here to post junk and i gave im a simple and short answer. I don't want that junk in this thread, if you have a real advice your more than welcome to post them, but i won't tolerate elitism behaviour, the game itself is full of that. Now if you wanna continue that highschool boy drama be my guest but i will eventually report you. Thank you and have a nice day

"Reported for hurting my feelings." Seriously, you are the most toxic person here with your poor trolling attempts cause you aren't interested in discussion. You are only interested in hearing validation.

If by a small chance your are serious about any of this, here is some advice, surround yourself with people that are at the level you are and interested in the same things you are. You expect people to cater down to your level of experience but refuse to except their level of experience in the game. Having 11 other people have to slow down their gameplay to accommodate you is no less "toxic" that 11 people expecting 1 person to be able to pull their weight. Their are people of all different levels of experience and skill that can help you achieve the goals you want to make. All it takes is a little bit of effort to find them. And you won't even have to quit your job to do it! Do I feel like you should be ridiculed in a random dungeon because your output isn't what people expect it to be? Of course not. They knew the risks when deciding to join a RANDOM. But don't expect them to slow down and wait on you as well. Everyone has their own way of enjoying the game. I have never done a random and put anyone down due to their skill. I stay quiet and let it go unless the dungeon is just taking too long and I have to bail due to any previous engagement I need to attend. But like I said, everyone plays in their own way. Which is kinda what ZOS's sales pitch has been for this game for a while now.

Now, if you are truly interested in advice, ideas, conversation or whatever. Then good for you, it's something that should be discussed. If not and you're here just to provide yet another "everyone should cater to MY playstyle" or another "disguised trolling" thread, then I won't have to bother seeing your posts anymore cause I'll simply block you. But I do hope its the former.

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

There is toxicity in the game but sometimes, about 10% of the time based on my experience, its justified. I did a veteran pledge 2-3 days ago as a tank and our group DPS in the final boss was 23k with me doing 18% of it. (I still have the screenshot, can post if you dont believe me.) And as a Templar tank, I was providing Major Breach/Fracture, Minor Breach/Fracture, Crusher and Roar of Alkosh debuffs (total armor reduction of about 11.7k). Mate, it was a real cancer to from the start till the end of the dungeon. I dont know how many potions I wasted because I had to re-apply crowd control at every single trash mob, given the fact that the DDs needed 10 secs to kill a single zombie. So the question is... Why so many people do veteran content when they are not skilled enough to do it? For example, I ve never managed to complete vSCP HM as a tank (tried twice and failed) but I wont queue in the group finder to do it as a pledge for 2 keys and make other peoples game time a hell. I ll try to do it with guildmates that have the patience to help me complete it.

But yes, 90% of the time, toxicity is unnecessary. There is a lot of toxic trash in the game and in my opinion, they should be banned or at least receive some warnings. If you want my advice, join a nice guild.

I understand your frustration but is that your justification for being toxic? Just politely say "hey guys, you aren't ready for this so i have to leave" but most times, and im not talking specifically about me im talking in general, you spawn in a vet dungeon with 2 vet players and they basically at the beggining say "low level trash shouldnt be allowed to do vets" and then leave and that legit happened yesterday. A couple of days ago ive spawned in with 3 lvl 700+ players, one literally said "kick that noob trash healer and i'll get us a new one" the moment i spawned i was kicked lol

There is absolutely no reason for this ***. And i'm reading alot of "hey find a new guild" but lets be real, ive tried out so many guilds so far, i try to be active, help ppl when they post stuff in chat but when it comes down to me asking "lfg nCR tank + dd's" or something like that no one replies, actually i have more luck with "strangers in Claghorn (or wtv its called) then i have with guild mates that just simply ignore you. So every time that i switch guilds and face the same obstacles its my problem? Or is it that the guild members being to busy to help new guys? Arent guilds overrated then? That is why i say..matchmaking for everything, i won't need to be in a guild to play the content, period.

ZOS needs to privilege check these PVErs... such an awful community.

But threads deliver 10/10.


GG ZOS

OP try PVP, its no where near as terrible as this. Only thing toxic there is the lag and possible tea bag from someone who hasn't washed in a while.

FierceSam wrote: »

Hey @MachoKen

First, in terms of elitism, it’s rubbish and stupid and players should all know better. Every one of them, no matter how supremely talented was in the position you’re in, and it’s a shame that they have clearly forgotten the many people who helped them or are too full of themselves to pass on their experience. It’s their problem and it’s the reason they find it hard to fill even the ‘fun runs’ their guilds host.

In terms of guilds, I’m in 5. I have found them both essential and very variable. I have some that are slightly chaotic, but full of great people, which I would never leave, and others that are full of fantastic expertise but populated by people with their heads so far up their arses I can barely stay there long enough to listen.

Every guild will have its own identity and personality, its own sense of direction and purpose. None of them will be the same. Sometimes you just have to join one on spec and try it out. If it doesn’t work for you, leave, try another, rinse repeat until you find one that fits. In terms of them doing the things you want at a time you can’t make, that’s tough, but realistically it’s hard making time to teach players and there are usually only a few (1 or 2) in each guild who will do this, so it’s the players who have to adapt.

Additionally, on PC at least, a non-trading Guild is as much about its discord than about anything in game. It’s there that all the interactions and guild events are managed as there are no tools to do this in game. So if you’re not engaging there as well, there’s a danger that you won’t actually see a lot of what the guild is doing.

TL:DR Elitists are arses. There are lots of good guilds. It might take a bit of time to find the right one for you but it’s out there and wants you to join.

Just wanted to post saying this is probably the best post in the thread.

I personally have never seen this. Ever. Not saying it doesn't happen. Now I consider myself a pretty *** player. I've never gotten a whisper about how I play or even kicked from group. People have trudged on through with me. Maybe I'm better than I thought. But then I've never seen it happen to anyone I was grouped with. Again, maybe I just get awesome groups. I've a lot of issue with the game itself. And the forums are full of *** poor human beings at times. But in game folks are pretty easy to go along with. I know that folks (especially in group finder) don't tend to talk alot. Other day in public dungeon someone offered group and I accepted (even though the bosses were no issue for me) and we ran through it together got them all done and no one ever said a word that I could here. I even watched chat to see (not a big chat reader either).

I tend to keep to myself, group up for a dungeon every so often when in the mood. I don't think I've ever given anyone the impression I disapproved of them in some way so I figured folks don't find me offensive. Again it could all be happening outside of my vision. The forums don't represent the players to me. Forums are never good no matter the game.

So it seems a little unfair to say that players (elitist or not) are terrible to new players. New players that don't ask questions, maybe. I always see questions answered when someone asks. Sometimes you get a smart ass who isn't as clever as they think they are but there's always someone that answers questions in chat (when I read it). Its just unfair to paint so many with such a broad brush. I'm sure there are elitist in the game. I'm also sure they have to play with each other because no one could stomach their crap. That leaves a whole lot of others who don't act like that. Or at least I don't believe they do.

As to learning, its true. We all start at the bottom. I still die to trash more than I think is right and should have my gamer license revoked. But you just keep at it. Not one of us knows what your struggles are. Especially if they aren't expressed. Its hard to know when you're leaving someone behind because they are struggling or just on the phone. No one else can see or feel or experience what you are personally. I'm sure most times they aren't purposely making your experience bad on purpose. Cut them some slack and let them know, hey I'm doing this for the first time (even if its the tenth) and whatever I'm doing doesn't seem to be working. If people can't take five minutes to offer some kind of help then hope they kick you from the group or leave themselves because you really don't want to play with them. Remember they may be frustrated at you but that a their problem not yours. They have to deal with their anger no you so don't sweat it.

As for trials... I think pugging for trails is really a bad way to spend time in the game. No one does that. Now I saw that as someone who recently just joined a trail pug to great success. But i just seen someone asking and thought why not. I personally love this random draw of players you get in pugs. Always have. When they succeed it like become part of a myth. And when someone has a absolute breakdown its quite funny to me. Sure I've seen lots of pugs just fall all to pieces but I've always looked at that as part of the game experience. Finishing is great but I've always taken more fun from the journey. The game is really a big long series of fetch quests (I like fetch quests btw) so having others around can be a nice diversion. But I'd seriously look into finding a guild that you fit with instead of standing around trying to get a trial run together if you just want to reach the goal.