Elitism on ESO and Matchmaking

jcm2606

If your guilds have hard schedules like this, that they're unwilling to budge on, and won't help outside of those schedules, just sounds like you chose bad guilds, likely in the wrong section. What type of guild did you try to join? PvE-focused, progression, social?

Harrdarrzarr

If you join a group with 11 others, you have a responsibility to those 11 people to at least be aware of what is expected of a the role that you chose to fulfill in that specific trial. And if you are not yet experienced you should let the group know, and then it will be fine. People will give some tips and play a bit more careful, it's only normal after all. As long as it doesn't take forever untill you show improvement...

If you stay silent and still perform poorly, people might become annoyed/toxic because you didn't respect other peoples time/experience.

Cirantille

RefLiberty wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Blame ZOS not players. There should be at least recommended DPS number near every dungeon icon and on loading screen to that dungeon. This will greatly reduce toxicity.

How can you put an official DPS number requirement when the game is not officially providing a tool or option to measure it in-game without a mod?
If that is not stupid, it is at least unprofessional for any serious company.

Also it wont fix the issue

People will still want you to have 80k dps because they wanna skip mechanics

So it is best to find like minded people because I cleared all vet dungeons with 35k dps with no issue

Most of the time I was even doing 60% of dps....

jcm2606

RefLiberty wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Blame ZOS not players. There should be at least recommended DPS number near every dungeon icon and on loading screen to that dungeon. This will greatly reduce toxicity.

How can you put an official DPS number requirement when the game is not officially providing a tool or option to measure it in-game without a mod?
If that is not stupid, it is at least unprofessional for any serious company.

Have you not heard of target dummies, my dude?

RefLiberty

jcm2606 wrote: »

RefLiberty wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Blame ZOS not players. There should be at least recommended DPS number near every dungeon icon and on loading screen to that dungeon. This will greatly reduce toxicity.

How can you put an official DPS number requirement when the game is not officially providing a tool or option to measure it in-game without a mod?
If that is not stupid, it is at least unprofessional for any serious company.

Have you not heard of target dummies, my dude?

Results as adding and calculating averages through measure of time are dependable of ones ability to calculate and measure time, which unfortunately is astrophysics for, you will be surprised, how many people.
My dude.
Also, you completely missed the point and relation of putting official requirement in your product without a built in precise measurement tool (depending on customer ability count above 10 is, as I already said, unprofessional approach).

Dusk_Coven

MachoKen wrote: »

Another thing that i'd like to discuss are Trials and the time you spend looking for a group. By now i've did a handful of normal Trials like nCR or nAS to get some gear and i can't understand why the hell there isn't matchmaking to do them like there is in veteran Dungeons?? It doesnt make sense to me that i have to wait sometimes hours on an instance spamming in chat to get a group for a Trial, most of us work and don't have time for this nonsense.

This is actually pretty bizarre, TBH.
For example, in SWTOR there IS group finder for normal "trials" (operations). BUT pretty much no one actually uses it.
Ironically, when they spam chat to get more people, they'll pretty much take anyone.
So... if you're gonna just take anyone anyway... why not use Group Finder?

MartiniDaniels

RefLiberty wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Blame ZOS not players. There should be at least recommended DPS number near every dungeon icon and on loading screen to that dungeon. This will greatly reduce toxicity.

How can you put an official DPS number requirement when the game is not officially providing a tool or option to measure it in-game without a mod?
If that is not stupid, it is at least unprofessional for any serious company.

??? Dummies provide raw dps number without mods. ZOS even made special dummy with trial buffs as well as different HP dummies.

LadyNalcarya

RefLiberty wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Blame ZOS not players. There should be at least recommended DPS number near every dungeon icon and on loading screen to that dungeon. This will greatly reduce toxicity.

How can you put an official DPS number requirement when the game is not officially providing a tool or option to measure it in-game without a mod?
If that is not stupid, it is at least unprofessional for any serious company.

Target dummy actually tells you your dps without any addons. But I agree that there should be more tutorials/explanations in game.

jcm2606

RefLiberty wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

RefLiberty wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Blame ZOS not players. There should be at least recommended DPS number near every dungeon icon and on loading screen to that dungeon. This will greatly reduce toxicity.

How can you put an official DPS number requirement when the game is not officially providing a tool or option to measure it in-game without a mod?
If that is not stupid, it is at least unprofessional for any serious company.

Have you not heard of target dummies, my dude?

Results as adding and calculating averages through measure of time are dependable of ones ability to calculate and measure time, which unfortunately is astrophysics for, you will be surprised, how many people.
My dude.
Also, you completely missed the point and relation of putting official requirement in your product without a built in precise measurement tool (depending on customer ability count above 10 is, as I already said, unprofessional approach).

The game literally tells you the average DPS when you kill the thing. Have you taken a break from the game over the last few years? They're not a recent addition, they've been in the game for like 2 years now.

Raisin

Nothing as entertaining where it turns out the person complaining about toxicity (which is a legit issue) turns out to be the most toxic person in the thread. GG
Perhaps you can work on your own behavior and then you'll get along better with people?

huntgod_ESO

MachoKen wrote: »

witchdoctor wrote: »

I'll be blunt: join a guild. There are many great guilds out there, and you can join 5. You'll never have to deal with randoms.

I'm part of 4 guilds, they have schedules that i cant attend and most times when i spam in chat that i need a group out of 300 people just 1 gives an answer. Guilds are overrated in this game, totally overrated.

To be blunt, you need different guilds. Specifically look for progression guilds that have schedules that work for you.

The general pug community is no more toxic here than any other game I've played, less so in many ways. If you are getting that kind of attitude from guild members, you are just in the wrong guilds. An active progression guild will have noob nights or learn the mechanics runs, though it behooves you to watch some youtube or twitch to see how the dungeon/trial works.

munchkinxx

Unfortunately a lot of the decent veteran trial guilds died out with the changes a year or two ago.

I was part of one of the first guilds to complete VMOL on EUPS4 and I cannot express enough the heartache and stress we went through for months getting that completion, let alone DroMathra Destroyer Achievement.

As I said, a lot of the great ones left the game and those, like ours, were happy to add a random new player to help them progress. Our PVE guild had 450 active members with 3 veteran trial groups and 2 hard mode groups that rotated through to spread the experience and training groupsfor upcoming vets held by hard mode vets.

Guilds now are very closed with what is left of the end game hard mode progression groups are reluctant to put in people new to the game .

These people are the ones that theory craft the best in slot gear you farm and break down the mechanics of a trial for completions . It's a tough crowd to get in to if you don't have any experience and I get it sucks.

All I can advise, is keep trying. Keep running the normals and what vet content trials you can so you nail the mechanics .

Practice your dps on a trial dummy so you can have a screenshot of your dps as most decent groups ask for one and has always been so.

It is absolutely necessary that as a dps, you can do your part and bring the damage needed to get completions or at least progress to a completion with a good group feeling.

And if you are up to it....start your own guild and list yourself for business as a progression Guild for like minded people but do your research! Watch the vids on what you are aiming to complete. No point accepting applications randomly if you just end up with a group of nightblade wannabe tanks or sorcs with 2 hand and a sword and board ! List exactly what you are looking for and ask for a cp minimum of 680. I think you need about that minimum for decent cp usage in a vet trial but I could be wrong. If anyone else can advise....?

Consider also the gear your group will need too. You may have to farm gear for members to have before you can even try progressing a trial ...

Ever try VMA? If so, you consider it as a trial..you need the damage, the right bis gear, pots etc etc ..a trial is no different in that regards and that is what is expected and needed.

zvavi

To be honest, you do need to know what your role is expected to do. I meet a lot of healer pugs in vet dlc that refuse to do anything but healing.

Healers have to use eledrain on boss (in case group has mag dds), send orbs for resources, set things of balance, and help damage. Thats in addition to healing.

Most dds and tanks in vDLC can survive just as well without a healer, so if the only thing healers do is "heal" their existence is questionable, and i will keep asking for more resource support after every boss fight that i had to heavy attack in.

Inaya

Sooooo...
First you belong to 4 guilds, none of which match your schedule or are helpful yet you stay in those guilds instead of activly tyring to find a guild that meets your needs. You say you SPAM gchat in 4 DIFFERENT guilds and no one answers Then you trash ALL guilds. Ever think maybe it's you, not them? 4 guilds 300 in each = 1200 total and not one of them helps because THEY are all elitist?

Secondly you call end game players elitist and say thank you but I like showers and real life. Sounds like you go into groups with a pre-existing bias and most likely an attitude, doing one of the most difficult jobs, healing. Healing and tanking requires thick skin AND lots of practice before you do vet or trials.

In conclusion, yes some end game players are elitist but not all. End game is NOT for everyone but it seems you are not even trying to find answers to your supposed problems.

gatekeeper13

There is toxicity in the game but sometimes, about 10% of the time based on my experience, its justified. I did a veteran pledge 2-3 days ago as a tank and our group DPS in the final boss was 23k with me doing 18% of it. (I still have the screenshot, can post if you dont believe me.) And as a Templar tank, I was providing Major Breach/Fracture, Minor Breach/Fracture, Crusher and Roar of Alkosh debuffs (total armor reduction of about 11.7k). Mate, it was a real cancer to from the start till the end of the dungeon. I dont know how many potions I wasted because I had to re-apply crowd control at every single trash mob, given the fact that the DDs needed 10 secs to kill a single zombie. So the question is... Why so many people do veteran content when they are not skilled enough to do it? For example, I ve never managed to complete vSCP HM as a tank (tried twice and failed) but I wont queue in the group finder to do it as a pledge for 2 keys and make other peoples game time a hell. I ll try to do it with guildmates that have the patience to help me complete it.

But yes, 90% of the time, toxicity is unnecessary. There is a lot of toxic trash in the game and in my opinion, they should be banned or at least receive some warnings. If you want my advice, join a nice guild and leave the toxic trash in their misery.

Raisin

MachoKen wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

Nothing as entertaining where it turns out the person complaining about toxicity (which is a legit issue) turns out to be the most toxic person in the thread. GG
Perhaps you can work on your own behavior and then you'll get along better with people?

Being toxic and being real are 2 different things, im not here to say "hey, waste your life or get out" like that guy basically said said. That was toxic and elitist which i gave him/her a proper answer. If you don't like that and you too are spreading that child drama, then hey tough guy, post your stuff on someone else thread

If you understand that being toxic and being real are 2 different things, then how are you still acting like being hostile and insulting towards people trying to help you, not to mention ignorant of how to respect people you group with ingame, isn't toxic? Why make a thread if you never had any intention of being even decent about it? Get over yourself then, but keep it to yourself instead of bothering other people with it.

Solid_Metal

i'm not sure where you are come from, but let me tell you from my experience

1. pugging Trial never a great idea, its hit or miss, so expect it that much
2. if you are new to the trial, either normal or vet, just tell them at the start before it begin, if they want to help or not its up to them, but at least you tell them, in my experience they always help, especially in Normal trial
3. i play from SEA, and its 12+ hours diff from NA, i join my local country guild, couple of aussies guild, and couple of international and trading guild, and have almost no problem at all at joining Trial, thus, i think you need to be more active or looking more appropriate guild
4. toxic people always exist, again in my experience the community of this game are quite healthy and positive, theres always bad egg in the bunch, so don;t take it too seriously

iiYuki

Don't know what you want really dude. People are like that and some of them are like that from the begining, best I can recommend is join a guild, there are lots of them that do chill dungeon runs.
Ideally when running trials and veteran dungeons you should know mechanics and be prepared for them as well as be set up right for you role.

huntgod_ESO

MachoKen wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

Nothing as entertaining where it turns out the person complaining about toxicity (which is a legit issue) turns out to be the most toxic person in the thread. GG
Perhaps you can work on your own behavior and then you'll get along better with people?

Being toxic and being real are 2 different things, im not here to say "hey, waste your life or get out" like that guy basically said said. That was toxic and elitist which i gave him/her a proper answer. If you don't like that and you too are spreading that child drama, then hey tough guy, post your stuff on someone else thread

You are the only person in this thread who read his response and had that as the takeaway...after reading your other responses I can understand why you might have difficulty finding people to help you, I know I wouldn't recommend you join any of my guilds after reading your responses.

Kel

End game PvE in any MMO is a strange and special kind of beast.

"We like the challenge of pushing the hardest content and feel it's super rewarding to beat the game at the highest level. Nothing better than pushing to be the best you can be."

Also

"We want to do this challenging content in the easiest way possible, so if you don't do the same cookie cutter stuff we tell you to do, or you're doing .01% less damage than the next person, you'll be told you are a burden to the team. We also cheese mechanics whenever possible."

Seems very contradictory to want to do the hardest stuff as easy as you can make it, then somehow brag about how you cheesed mechanics.

🤷‍♂️

Greevir

MachoKen wrote: »

Greevir wrote: »

Op talks about combating toxicity yet is toxic themselves...

"I can understand what you are saying but..dont take it personally, i have a life and enjoy my showers, not gonna waste it to spend my life role playing a guy on a videogame xD"

"Real endgame is forgetting my irl existence, ignoring my kids and babe just to be a top tier ESO gamer? Ty for your reply and opinion but no thanks bud, have a good day "

Yeah, because what you posted is required to put some effort into the game...

Those weren't advices, those were what this thread is all about, elistism and toxicity ingame related my friend, that guy basically said "hey, play ESO like your real life or move on cause no one will play with you" thats what an elitist would say and he probably has elitist behaviour ingame, felt offended and came here to post junk and i gave im a simple and short answer. I don't want that junk in this thread, if you have a real advice your more than welcome to post them, but i won't tolerate elitism behaviour, the game itself is full of that. Now if you wanna continue that highschool boy drama be my guest but i will eventually report you. Thank you and have a nice day

"Reported for hurting my feelings." Seriously, you are the most toxic person here with your poor trolling attempts cause you aren't interested in discussion. You are only interested in hearing validation.

If by a small chance your are serious about any of this, here is some advice, surround yourself with people that are at the level you are and interested in the same things you are. You expect people to cater down to your level of experience but refuse to except their level of experience in the game. Having 11 other people have to slow down their gameplay to accommodate you is no less "toxic" that 11 people expecting 1 person to be able to pull their weight. Their are people of all different levels of experience and skill that can help you achieve the goals you want to make. All it takes is a little bit of effort to find them. And you won't even have to quit your job to do it! Do I feel like you should be ridiculed in a random dungeon because your output isn't what people expect it to be? Of course not. They knew the risks when deciding to join a RANDOM. But don't expect them to slow down and wait on you as well. Everyone has their own way of enjoying the game. I have never done a random and put anyone down due to their skill. I stay quiet and let it go unless the dungeon is just taking too long and I have to bail due to any previous engagement I need to attend. But like I said, everyone plays in their own way. Which is kinda what ZOS's sales pitch has been for this game for a while now.

Now, if you are truly interested in advice, ideas, conversation or whatever. Then good for you, it's something that should be discussed. If not and you're here just to provide yet another "everyone should cater to MY playstyle" or another "disguised trolling" thread, then I won't have to bother seeing your posts anymore cause I'll simply block you. But I do hope its the former.

TelvanniWizard

Totally agree on the part about trial group finder. We need one.

MachoKen

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

There is toxicity in the game but sometimes, about 10% of the time based on my experience, its justified. I did a veteran pledge 2-3 days ago as a tank and our group DPS in the final boss was 23k with me doing 18% of it. (I still have the screenshot, can post if you dont believe me.) And as a Templar tank, I was providing Major Breach/Fracture, Minor Breach/Fracture, Crusher and Roar of Alkosh debuffs (total armor reduction of about 11.7k). Mate, it was a real cancer to from the start till the end of the dungeon. I dont know how many potions I wasted because I had to re-apply crowd control at every single trash mob, given the fact that the DDs needed 10 secs to kill a single zombie. So the question is... Why so many people do veteran content when they are not skilled enough to do it? For example, I ve never managed to complete vSCP HM as a tank (tried twice and failed) but I wont queue in the group finder to do it as a pledge for 2 keys and make other peoples game time a hell. I ll try to do it with guildmates that have the patience to help me complete it.

But yes, 90% of the time, toxicity is unnecessary. There is a lot of toxic trash in the game and in my opinion, they should be banned or at least receive some warnings. If you want my advice, join a nice guild.

I understand your frustration but is that your justification for being toxic? Just politely say "hey guys, you aren't ready for this so i have to leave" but most times, and im not talking specifically about me im talking in general, you spawn in a vet dungeon with 2 vet players and they basically at the beggining say "low level trash shouldnt be allowed to do vets" and then leave and that legit happened yesterday. A couple of days ago ive spawned in with 3 lvl 700+ players, one literally said "kick that noob trash healer and i'll get us a new one" the moment i spawned i was kicked lol

There is absolutely no reason for this ***. And i'm reading alot of "hey find a new guild" but lets be real, ive tried out so many guilds so far, i try to be active, help ppl when they post stuff in chat but when it comes down to me asking "lfg nCR tank + dd's" or something like that no one replies, actually i have more luck with "strangers in Claghorn (or wtv its called) then i have with guild mates that just simply ignore you. So every time that i switch guilds and face the same obstacles its my problem? Or is it that the guild members being to busy to help new guys? Arent guilds overrated then? That is why i say..matchmaking for everything, i won't need to be in a guild to play the content, period.

Solid_Metal

MachoKen wrote: »

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

There is toxicity in the game but sometimes, about 10% of the time based on my experience, its justified. I did a veteran pledge 2-3 days ago as a tank and our group DPS in the final boss was 23k with me doing 18% of it. (I still have the screenshot, can post if you dont believe me.) And as a Templar tank, I was providing Major Breach/Fracture, Minor Breach/Fracture, Crusher and Roar of Alkosh debuffs (total armor reduction of about 11.7k). Mate, it was a real cancer to from the start till the end of the dungeon. I dont know how many potions I wasted because I had to re-apply crowd control at every single trash mob, given the fact that the DDs needed 10 secs to kill a single zombie. So the question is... Why so many people do veteran content when they are not skilled enough to do it? For example, I ve never managed to complete vSCP HM as a tank (tried twice and failed) but I wont queue in the group finder to do it as a pledge for 2 keys and make other peoples game time a hell. I ll try to do it with guildmates that have the patience to help me complete it.

But yes, 90% of the time, toxicity is unnecessary. There is a lot of toxic trash in the game and in my opinion, they should be banned or at least receive some warnings. If you want my advice, join a nice guild.

I understand your frustration but is that your justification for being toxic? Just politely say "hey guys, you aren't ready for this so i have to leave" but most times, and im not talking specifically about me im talking in general, you spawn in a vet dungeon with 2 vet players and they basically at the beggining say "low level trash shouldnt be allowed to do vets" and then leave and that legit happened yesterday. A couple of days ago ive spawned in with 3 lvl 700+ players, one literally said "kick that noob trash healer and i'll get us a new one" the moment i spawned i was kicked lol

There is absolutely no reason for this ***. And i'm reading alot of "hey find a new guild" but lets be real, ive tried out so many guilds so far, i try to be active, help ppl when they post stuff in chat but when it comes down to me asking "lfg nCR tank + dd's" or something like that no one replies, actually i have more luck with "strangers in Claghorn (or wtv its called) then i have with guild mates that just simply ignore you. So every time that i switch guilds and face the same obstacles its my problem? Or is it that the guild members being to busy to help new guys? Arent guilds overrated then? That is why i say..matchmaking for everything, i won't need to be in a guild to play the content, period.

i reply from my comment of course, by active i meant not only that, but read again the guild description and ask your guild leader, every active guild, usually have somesort of progressive trial week, or even just normal/vet trial run, and in one of my guild we even one time have 3 completely separate group that doing trial at one time, that means 48 people applied to do the trial run at that week.
if guilds that that you join in have that then apply

but let me say this tho, trial sometimes can be pain in the arse, i only do them IF i want to do them, so don't expect people will help you willy nilly, dungeons fine because its generally short, but trial can be time consuming, not everyone want to do it just like that, thats why most guild have a schedule to run trial so everyone can participate

roflcopter

ZOS needs to privilege check these PVErs... such an awful community.

But threads deliver 10/10.


GG ZOS

OP try PVP, its no where near as terrible as this. Only thing toxic there is the lag and possible tea bag from someone who hasn't washed in a while.

FierceSam

Hey @MachoKen

First, in terms of elitism, it’s rubbish and stupid and players should all know better. Every one of them, no matter how supremely talented was in the position you’re in, and it’s a shame that they have clearly forgotten the many people who helped them or are too full of themselves to pass on their experience. It’s their problem and it’s the reason they find it hard to fill even the ‘fun runs’ their guilds host.

In terms of guilds, I’m in 5. I have found them both essential and very variable. I have some that are slightly chaotic, but full of great people, which I would never leave, and others that are full of fantastic expertise but populated by people with their heads so far up their arses I can barely stay there long enough to listen.

Every guild will have its own identity and personality, its own sense of direction and purpose. None of them will be the same. Sometimes you just have to join one on spec and try it out. If it doesn’t work for you, leave, try another, rinse repeat until you find one that fits. In terms of them doing the things you want at a time you can’t make, that’s tough, but realistically it’s hard making time to teach players and there are usually only a few (1 or 2) in each guild who will do this, so it’s the players who have to adapt.

Additionally, on PC at least, a non-trading Guild is as much about its discord than about anything in game. It’s there that all the interactions and guild events are managed as there are no tools to do this in game. So if you’re not engaging there as well, there’s a danger that you won’t actually see a lot of what the guild is doing.

TL:DR Elitists are arses. There are lots of good guilds. It might take a bit of time to find the right one for you but it’s out there and wants you to join.

Greevir

FierceSam wrote: »

Hey @MachoKen

First, in terms of elitism, it’s rubbish and stupid and players should all know better. Every one of them, no matter how supremely talented was in the position you’re in, and it’s a shame that they have clearly forgotten the many people who helped them or are too full of themselves to pass on their experience. It’s their problem and it’s the reason they find it hard to fill even the ‘fun runs’ their guilds host.

In terms of guilds, I’m in 5. I have found them both essential and very variable. I have some that are slightly chaotic, but full of great people, which I would never leave, and others that are full of fantastic expertise but populated by people with their heads so far up their arses I can barely stay there long enough to listen.

Every guild will have its own identity and personality, its own sense of direction and purpose. None of them will be the same. Sometimes you just have to join one on spec and try it out. If it doesn’t work for you, leave, try another, rinse repeat until you find one that fits. In terms of them doing the things you want at a time you can’t make, that’s tough, but realistically it’s hard making time to teach players and there are usually only a few (1 or 2) in each guild who will do this, so it’s the players who have to adapt.

Additionally, on PC at least, a non-trading Guild is as much about its discord than about anything in game. It’s there that all the interactions and guild events are managed as there are no tools to do this in game. So if you’re not engaging there as well, there’s a danger that you won’t actually see a lot of what the guild is doing.

TL:DR Elitists are arses. There are lots of good guilds. It might take a bit of time to find the right one for you but it’s out there and wants you to join.

Just wanted to post saying this is probably the best post in the thread.

MachoKen

roflcopter wrote: »

ZOS needs to privilege check these PVErs... such an awful community.

But threads deliver 10/10.


GG ZOS

OP try PVP, its no where near as terrible as this. Only thing toxic there is the lag and possible tea bag from someone who hasn't washed in a while.

I can't disagree, i'm a PVPer myself in other games in general and since started ESO i've mostly been PVEeing, trying out endgame pve stuff and jesus, if people complain about PVP environment then they have to check out the PVE community one of these days. Even a simple thread can turn out to be toxic has *** without reason, at least in PVP people complain about being killed and what not as in PVE people complain that X didnt use the "calculator" to kill a giant mob lol

Galwylin

I personally have never seen this. Ever. Not saying it doesn't happen. Now I consider myself a pretty *** player. I've never gotten a whisper about how I play or even kicked from group. People have trudged on through with me. Maybe I'm better than I thought. But then I've never seen it happen to anyone I was grouped with. Again, maybe I just get awesome groups. I've a lot of issue with the game itself. And the forums are full of *** poor human beings at times. But in game folks are pretty easy to go along with. I know that folks (especially in group finder) don't tend to talk alot. Other day in public dungeon someone offered group and I accepted (even though the bosses were no issue for me) and we ran through it together got them all done and no one ever said a word that I could here. I even watched chat to see (not a big chat reader either).

I tend to keep to myself, group up for a dungeon every so often when in the mood. I don't think I've ever given anyone the impression I disapproved of them in some way so I figured folks don't find me offensive. Again it could all be happening outside of my vision. The forums don't represent the players to me. Forums are never good no matter the game.

So it seems a little unfair to say that players (elitist or not) are terrible to new players. New players that don't ask questions, maybe. I always see questions answered when someone asks. Sometimes you get a smart ass who isn't as clever as they think they are but there's always someone that answers questions in chat (when I read it). Its just unfair to paint so many with such a broad brush. I'm sure there are elitist in the game. I'm also sure they have to play with each other because no one could stomach their crap. That leaves a whole lot of others who don't act like that. Or at least I don't believe they do.

As to learning, its true. We all start at the bottom. I still die to trash more than I think is right and should have my gamer license revoked. But you just keep at it. Not one of us knows what your struggles are. Especially if they aren't expressed. Its hard to know when you're leaving someone behind because they are struggling or just on the phone. No one else can see or feel or experience what you are personally. I'm sure most times they aren't purposely making your experience bad on purpose. Cut them some slack and let them know, hey I'm doing this for the first time (even if its the tenth) and whatever I'm doing doesn't seem to be working. If people can't take five minutes to offer some kind of help then hope they kick you from the group or leave themselves because you really don't want to play with them. Remember they may be frustrated at you but that a their problem not yours. They have to deal with their anger no you so don't sweat it.

As for trials... I think pugging for trails is really a bad way to spend time in the game. No one does that. Now I saw that as someone who recently just joined a trail pug to great success. But i just seen someone asking and thought why not. I personally love this random draw of players you get in pugs. Always have. When they succeed it like become part of a myth. And when someone has a absolute breakdown its quite funny to me. Sure I've seen lots of pugs just fall all to pieces but I've always looked at that as part of the game experience. Finishing is great but I've always taken more fun from the journey. The game is really a big long series of fetch quests (I like fetch quests btw) so having others around can be a nice diversion. But I'd seriously look into finding a guild that you fit with instead of standing around trying to get a trial run together if you just want to reach the goal.

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witchdoctor wrote: »

I'll be blunt: join a guild. There are many great guilds out there, and you can join 5. You'll never have to deal with randoms.

I'm part of 4 guilds, they have schedules that i cant attend and most times when i spam in chat that i need a group out of 300 people just 1 gives an answer. Guilds are overrated in this game, totally overrated.

The mistake was conflating guilds with trading and content. Most people in guilds are only in there for trading. And the trading system in ESO is god awful...

If they revamp the guilds, so they're content based and have trading a central thing, then guilds will be useful.