Elitism on ESO and Matchmaking

MachoKen · January 2020

So let's talk about elitism.

So i'm basically a new player that reached endgame a week ago, just started to do some normal mode trials, some vet dungeons, started gearing up my characters and all that endgame jazz that any other MMO has, and what i've realized when reaching the endgame content is that the community in general (not all) are pretty toxic towards new players and not generous enough to team up with us and we end up getting delayed regarding endgame progression. I mean, i can understand that we all want to rush things, have a consistent and reliable group to finish of
+3 nCR for example or any vet dungeon fast without any one dying once, but the reality is that everyone has to start from somewhere and make mistakes along the way...thats called learning. Being inside a dungeon or a trial with a 810 CP guy that probably has 6000h ingame, a *** ton of experience and literally being disrespected by those veteran players makes me give up the game and play something else cause at the end of the day if you end up matchmaking with a vet ESO player and that same player *** on you in chat and then rage quits the party leaving you and your group with one less member and unable to finish of the dungeon, which is pretty common btw, you're better off logging out, unistalling the game and invest your time in money on something better. These kind of elitist players totally forget that in the beggining they were trash at the game and maybe worst than some of us, that they too were learning like everyone else. This kind of behaviour needs to have consequences and ZoS doesn't do anything regarding this issue.

Another thing that i'd like to discuss are Trials and the time you spend looking for a group. By now i've did a handful of normal Trials like nCR or nAS to get some gear and i can't understand why the hell there isn't matchmaking to do them like there is in veteran Dungeons?? It doesnt make sense to me that i have to wait sometimes hours on an instance spamming in chat to get a group for a Trial, most of us work and don't have time for this nonsense. And what makes me confused is that most of these normal Trials are way easier and don't impose a real challenge like a veteran DLC dungeons does and there is matchmaking for that. FF14 as matchmaking for normal Trials and it works pretty nicelly btw. This game as like what? 6years? These issues persist and they were never addressed, they prefer to release more content than getting a solution for these problems, i feel most times that ZoS doesnt care one bit about it's community and i'm honestly thinking about leaving the game for good, it just doesn't feel worth it.

I would like to hear the community opinion regarding these points. Thank you.

witchdoctor · January 2020

I'll be blunt: join a guild. There are many great guilds out there, and you can join 5. You'll never have to deal with randoms.

Cirantille · January 2020

"PvP is toxic"

!?

haelene · January 2020

I'm sorry to hear you're having these kinds of experiences when trying to get into endgame. It does suck, and I would agree that it certainly drives people away. What I would suggest is to try and find a progression guild to help you learn - there are definitely patient, amazing end gamers out there and I'm sorry you had to come into contact with our crappy one's first. Every MMO has bad eggs because at the end of the day, we're only human, and some humans suck.

As for consequences - there are certain bits of the TOS that are supposed to protect us, so what I'd suggest is reporting people and then blocking them, or simply stop playing with them. Zos will ultimately decide if what they did merits a response and will act - or not. Either way they will not update you on their decision, so it's best to just report and move on.

As for matchmaking in trials - our group finder has just recently become stable enough to handle dungeons consistently. I think trials are a ways off.

MachoKen · January 2020

witchdoctor wrote: »

I'll be blunt: join a guild. There are many great guilds out there, and you can join 5. You'll never have to deal with randoms.

I'm part of 4 guilds, they have schedules that i cant attend and most times when i spam in chat that i need a group out of 300 people just 1 gives an answer. Guilds are overrated in this game, totally overrated.

jircris11 · January 2020

MachoKen wrote: »

So let's talk about elitism.

So i'm basically a new player that reached endgame a week ago, just started to do some normal mode trials, some vet dungeons, started gearing up my characters and all that endgame jazz that any other MMO has, and what i've realized when reaching the endgame content is that the community in general (not all) are pretty toxic towards new players and not generous enough to team up with us and we end up getting delayed regarding endgame progression. I mean, i can understand that we all want to rush things, have a consistent and reliable group to finish of
+3 nCR for example or any vet dungeon fast without any one dying once, but the reality is that everyone has to start from somewhere and make mistakes along the way...thats called learning. Being inside a dungeon or a trial with a 810 CP guy that probably has 6000h ingame, a *** ton of experience and literally being disrespected by those veteran players makes me give up the game and play something else cause at the end of the day if you end up matchmaking with a vet ESO player and that same player *** on you in chat and then rage quits the party leaving you and your group with one less member and unable to finish of the dungeon, which is pretty common btw, you're better off logging out, unistalling the game and invest your time in money on something better. These kind of elitist players totally forget that in the beggining they were trash at the game and maybe worst than some of us, that they too were learning like everyone else. This kind of behaviour needs to have consequences and ZoS doesn't do anything regarding this issue.

Another thing that i'd like to discuss are Trials and the time you spend looking for a group. By now i've did a handful of normal Trials like nCR or nAS to get some gear and i can't understand why the hell there isn't matchmaking to do them like there is in veteran Dungeons?? It doesnt make sense to me that i have to wait sometimes hours on an instance spamming in chat to get a group for a Trial, most of us work and don't have time for this nonsense. And what makes me confused is that most of these normal Trials are way easier and don't impose a real challenge like a veteran DLC dungeons does and there is matchmaking for that. FF14 as matchmaking for normal Trials and it works pretty nicelly btw. This game as like what? 6years? These issues persist and they were never addressed, they prefer to release more content than getting a solution for these problems, i feel most times that ZoS doesnt care one bit about it's community and i'm honestly thinking about leaving the game for good, it just doesn't feel worth it.

I would like to hear the community opinion regarding these points. Thank you.

Any mmo has this sadly, been like that for ages. Though it's more and more common now and most the time the "elitest" pricks are actually being carried by true good players, I got 2 in the guild one who's a scumbag in pvp thinking gank builds make her a god at pvp and another who claims to be good and rages when going trials, yet today I out dpsed him in crafted hear as a warden 2h dps.as for pvp being toxic, I gave to agree most of my limited pvp has been filled with toxic children.

MartiniDaniels · January 2020

Blame ZOS not players. There should be at least recommended DPS number near every dungeon icon and on loading screen to that dungeon. This will greatly reduce toxicity.

MachoKen · January 2020

haelene wrote: »

I'm sorry to hear you're having these kinds of experiences when trying to get into endgame. It does suck, and I would agree that it certainly drives people away. What I would suggest is to try and find a progression guild to help you learn - there are definitely patient, amazing end gamers out there and I'm sorry you had to come into contact with our crappy one's first. Every MMO has bad eggs because at the end of the day, we're only human, and some humans suck.

As for consequences - there are certain bits of the TOS that are supposed to protect us, so what I'd suggest is reporting people and then blocking them, or simply stop playing with them. Zos will ultimately decide if what they did merits a response and will act - or not. Either way they will not update you on their decision, so it's best to just report and move on.

As for matchmaking in trials - our group finder has just recently become stable enough to handle dungeons consistently. I think trials are a ways off.

Usually that is what i do, but its to repetitive and takes my joy on playing this game. And i im part of guild like that but tbh everything that i've learned about this game from gameplay to builds i've learned from content creators (youtube videos and some websites, like Dottzgaming for example). And i truly hope that matchmaking will be possible for Trials cause if not whats the point on waiting for hours to get a group right?

MachoKen · January 2020

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Blame ZOS not players. There should be at least recommended DPS number near every dungeon icon and on loading screen to that dungeon. This will greatly reduce toxicity.

ZoS created the game, the community makes the game in it's whole if this makes sense. So yes, i blame the playerbase because they are the ones playing the game every single day and not the devs

dan958 · January 2020

Everybody has to start somewhere, and if they are getting annoyed at you/anyone else for not having the same experience as them, then that is their fault for playing with pubs. They should only play with their team (and the truly toxic people may find they cannot get a team as nobody wants to play with them)

csparks1 · January 2020

"This game as like what? 6years? These issues persist and they were never addressed, they prefer to release more content than getting a solution for these problems, i feel most times that ZoS doesn't care one bit about its community and I'm honestly thinking about leaving the game for good, it just doesn't feel worth it."

I have been dealing with this issue for 6 years. I'm still looking for a better game. When one comes out - I am fairly certain that almost every long-time player of this game will leave due to this specific issue. ZOS does not care about long term players. They only care about new players - so enjoy!

Also, those "Elitist SCUM" are just that - please don't let that be the thing that ruins the game for you - some people are just pieces of ****. I would like to see a queue for trials too though! Good luck and don't let jerks ruin the game for you - I have found that there are many, many, MANY extremely helpful people in this game. You just have to find them, and when you do - ask to friend them or find out what gu9ild they are in.

Ask about specific PVP, PVE, trading, or crafting guilds in zone chat. Deshaan, Stormhaven, Grahtwood, and Craglorn are good places for this. I wish you the best of luck!

Skoomah · January 2020

Join a guild. Large guilds will have their core vet trial team to compete for scores and a training run team to help people learn.

You just got to end game so you’re more suited for a training run team.

You’re right about the group finder. It doesn’t work. It’s stupid how that thing doesn’t work in a group based game.

MachoKen · January 2020

Skoomah wrote: »

Join a guild. Large guilds will have their core vet trial team to compete for scores and a training run team to help people learn.

You just got to end game so you’re more suited for a training run team.

You’re right about the group finder. It doesn’t work. It’s stupid how that thing doesn’t work in a group based game.

The thing is, i'm on 4 different guilds and i dont have time for their schedules and like me theres many i bet, this is why matchmaking would fix these issues.

AgaTheGreat · January 2020

End game doesn't start as soon as you reach 160 CP or whatever. It literally takes months and sometimes years of experience. Raiding guilds are notoriously hard to get into. The reason behind is that most of them rely on crowd experience and each time they have to teach someone new, the experience lessens.

What you should do is:
1. Join a casual guild with discord. One that organises normal trials and dungeons a lot.
2. Find out what you can about your class and practise your dps.
3. Avoid builds from xynode and other off-meta crap. This won't ever get you into any serious raiding guild.
4. Once your dps is decent, find a progression guild or set up a progression group within your current guild. Gaining experience with people you like is very rewarding. Much more rewarding than joining an already established group.
5. When you do trials, try to do it with the best optimal setup, vitality, style and score. This will give you a sense of accomplishment, especially if you improve on your scores.
6. Learn from others! Watch runs on youtube. Join nefas' discrod. Be active in all these ESO Builds FB groups and stuff like that.

Why end-gamers might look "elitist" is because when you are on a certain level you sort of expect people you run with to be good, otherwise they're just wasting their time. Each end-gamer had to go through the above steps, unless they were somehow added to a group that essentially carried them. Experience is everything.

With enough time you'll have enough DPS, knowledge and experience. Just make sure you're part of a community that does trials. I can't stress enough how beneficial it is to "be known". End game community is small, so word gets around quickly.
When I want to add someone who I haven't heard about to my run, I always ask about if they're a decent player. There's always someone who had contact with that person.

Don't give up. Good luck

MachoKen · January 2020

csparks1 wrote: »

"This game as like what? 6years? These issues persist and they were never addressed, they prefer to release more content than getting a solution for these problems, i feel most times that ZoS doesn't care one bit about its community and I'm honestly thinking about leaving the game for good, it just doesn't feel worth it."

I have been dealing with this issue for 6 years. I'm still looking for a better game. When one comes out - I am fairly certain that almost every long-time player of this game will leave due to this specific issue. ZOS does not care about long term players. They only care about new players - so enjoy!

Also, those "Elitist SCUM" are just that - please don't let that be the thing that ruins the game for you - some people are just pieces of ****. I would like to see a queue for trials too though! Good luck and don't let jerks ruin the game for you - I have found that there are many, many, MANY extremely helpful people in this game. You just have to find them, and when you do - ask to friend them or find out what gu9ild they are in.

Ask about specific PVP, PVE, trading, or crafting guilds in zone chat. Deshaan, Stormhaven, Grahtwood, and Craglorn are good places for this. I wish you the best of luck!

Agree. Ty for the reply

redlink1979 · January 2020

Join a guild or several guilds, most of the guilds run PvE end-game content or even have progression groups.

MachoKen · January 2020

AgaTheGreat wrote: »

End game doesn't start as soon as you reach 160 CP or whatever. It literally takes months and sometimes years of experience. Raiding guilds are notoriously hard to get into. The reason behind is that most of them rely on crowd experience and each time they have to teach someone new, the experience lessens.

What you should do is:
1. Join a casual guild with discord. One that organises normal trials and dungeons a lot.
2. Find out what you can about your class and practise your dps.
3. Avoid builds from xynode and other off-meta crap. This won't ever get you into any serious raiding guild.
4. Once your dps is decent, find a progression guild or set up a progression group within your current guild. Gaining experience with people you like is very rewarding. Much more rewarding than joining an already established group.
5. When you do trials, try to do it with the best optimal setup, vitality, style and score. This will give you a sense of accomplishment, especially if you improve on your scores.
6. Learn from others! Watch runs on youtube. Join nefas' discrod. Be active in all these ESO Builds FB groups and stuff like that.

Why end-gamers might look "elitist" is because when you are on a certain level you sort of expect people you run with to be good, otherwise they're just wasting their time. Each end-gamer had to go through the above steps, unless they were somehow added to a group that essentially carried them. Experience is everything.

With enough time you'll have enough DPS, knowledge and experience. Just make sure you're part of a community that does trials. I can't stress enough how beneficial it is to "be known". End game community is small, so word gets around quickly.
When I want to add someone who I haven't heard about to my run, I always ask about if they're a decent player. There's always someone who had contact with that person.

Don't give up. Good luck

I can understand what you are saying but..dont take it personally, i have a life and enjoy my showers, not gonna waste it to spend my life role playing a guy on a videogame xD

MartiniDaniels · January 2020

MachoKen wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Blame ZOS not players. There should be at least recommended DPS number near every dungeon icon and on loading screen to that dungeon. This will greatly reduce toxicity.

ZoS created the game, the community makes the game in it's whole if this makes sense. So yes, i blame the playerbase because they are the ones playing the game every single day and not the devs

Mechanics can be explained on the run, but dps still requires proper gear and rotation. If somebody don't know what to do in particular dungeons (but I see regular group dps and support is ok), I'll try to explain and won't leave if I see teammates are trying... but every dungeons has clear dps requirements to be completed reliably and if group is far from that requirement there is simply no point to continue.
Also I may recommend learning dungeons in tank role. You queue fast and you have better chance to learn mechanics, because not everything one-shots you

also install Combat metrics or Bandit's interface (or both) if you are on PC, this will help a lot to understand what's going on.

AgaTheGreat · January 2020

MachoKen wrote: »

AgaTheGreat wrote: »

End game doesn't start as soon as you reach 160 CP or whatever. It literally takes months and sometimes years of experience. Raiding guilds are notoriously hard to get into. The reason behind is that most of them rely on crowd experience and each time they have to teach someone new, the experience lessens.

What you should do is:
1. Join a casual guild with discord. One that organises normal trials and dungeons a lot.
2. Find out what you can about your class and practise your dps.
3. Avoid builds from xynode and other off-meta crap. This won't ever get you into any serious raiding guild.
4. Once your dps is decent, find a progression guild or set up a progression group within your current guild. Gaining experience with people you like is very rewarding. Much more rewarding than joining an already established group.
5. When you do trials, try to do it with the best optimal setup, vitality, style and score. This will give you a sense of accomplishment, especially if you improve on your scores.
6. Learn from others! Watch runs on youtube. Join nefas' discrod. Be active in all these ESO Builds FB groups and stuff like that.

Why end-gamers might look "elitist" is because when you are on a certain level you sort of expect people you run with to be good, otherwise they're just wasting their time. Each end-gamer had to go through the above steps, unless they were somehow added to a group that essentially carried them. Experience is everything.

With enough time you'll have enough DPS, knowledge and experience. Just make sure you're part of a community that does trials. I can't stress enough how beneficial it is to "be known". End game community is small, so word gets around quickly.
When I want to add someone who I haven't heard about to my run, I always ask about if they're a decent player. There's always someone who had contact with that person.

Don't give up. Good luck

I can understand what you are saying but..dont take it personally, i have a life and enjoy my showers, not gonna waste it to spend my life role playing a guy on a videogame xD

Then real end game is not for you. Simple.

If you want to shine, you have to polish. People don't want to play with players who don't want to do even the basic thing like practising their dps

MachoKen · January 2020

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

MachoKen wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Blame ZOS not players. There should be at least recommended DPS number near every dungeon icon and on loading screen to that dungeon. This will greatly reduce toxicity.

ZoS created the game, the community makes the game in it's whole if this makes sense. So yes, i blame the playerbase because they are the ones playing the game every single day and not the devs

Mechanics can be explained on the run, but dps still requires proper gear and rotation. If somebody don't know what to do in particular dungeons (but I see regular group dps and support is ok), I'll try to explain and won't leave if I see teammates are trying... but every dungeons has clear dps requirements to be completed reliably and if group is far from that requirement there is simply no point to continue.
Also I may recommend learning dungeons in tank role. You queue fast and you have better chance to learn mechanics, because not everything one-shots you also install Combat metrics or Bandit's interface (or both) if you are on PC, this will help a lot to understand what's going on.

I don't play nor DPS nor Tank..i'm enjoying my Healing guy^^

MachoKen · January 2020

AgaTheGreat wrote: »

MachoKen wrote: »

AgaTheGreat wrote: »

End game doesn't start as soon as you reach 160 CP or whatever. It literally takes months and sometimes years of experience. Raiding guilds are notoriously hard to get into. The reason behind is that most of them rely on crowd experience and each time they have to teach someone new, the experience lessens.

What you should do is:
1. Join a casual guild with discord. One that organises normal trials and dungeons a lot.
2. Find out what you can about your class and practise your dps.
3. Avoid builds from xynode and other off-meta crap. This won't ever get you into any serious raiding guild.
4. Once your dps is decent, find a progression guild or set up a progression group within your current guild. Gaining experience with people you like is very rewarding. Much more rewarding than joining an already established group.
5. When you do trials, try to do it with the best optimal setup, vitality, style and score. This will give you a sense of accomplishment, especially if you improve on your scores.
6. Learn from others! Watch runs on youtube. Join nefas' discrod. Be active in all these ESO Builds FB groups and stuff like that.

Why end-gamers might look "elitist" is because when you are on a certain level you sort of expect people you run with to be good, otherwise they're just wasting their time. Each end-gamer had to go through the above steps, unless they were somehow added to a group that essentially carried them. Experience is everything.

With enough time you'll have enough DPS, knowledge and experience. Just make sure you're part of a community that does trials. I can't stress enough how beneficial it is to "be known". End game community is small, so word gets around quickly.
When I want to add someone who I haven't heard about to my run, I always ask about if they're a decent player. There's always someone who had contact with that person.

Don't give up. Good luck

I can understand what you are saying but..dont take it personally, i have a life and enjoy my showers, not gonna waste it to spend my life role playing a guy on a videogame xD

Then real end game is not for you. Simple.

Real endgame is forgetting my irl existence, ignoring my kids and babe just to be a top tier ESO gamer? Ty for your reply and opinion but no thanks bud, have a good day

AgaTheGreat · January 2020

MachoKen wrote: »

AgaTheGreat wrote: »

MachoKen wrote: »

AgaTheGreat wrote: »

End game doesn't start as soon as you reach 160 CP or whatever. It literally takes months and sometimes years of experience. Raiding guilds are notoriously hard to get into. The reason behind is that most of them rely on crowd experience and each time they have to teach someone new, the experience lessens.

What you should do is:
1. Join a casual guild with discord. One that organises normal trials and dungeons a lot.
2. Find out what you can about your class and practise your dps.
3. Avoid builds from xynode and other off-meta crap. This won't ever get you into any serious raiding guild.
4. Once your dps is decent, find a progression guild or set up a progression group within your current guild. Gaining experience with people you like is very rewarding. Much more rewarding than joining an already established group.
5. When you do trials, try to do it with the best optimal setup, vitality, style and score. This will give you a sense of accomplishment, especially if you improve on your scores.
6. Learn from others! Watch runs on youtube. Join nefas' discrod. Be active in all these ESO Builds FB groups and stuff like that.

Why end-gamers might look "elitist" is because when you are on a certain level you sort of expect people you run with to be good, otherwise they're just wasting their time. Each end-gamer had to go through the above steps, unless they were somehow added to a group that essentially carried them. Experience is everything.

With enough time you'll have enough DPS, knowledge and experience. Just make sure you're part of a community that does trials. I can't stress enough how beneficial it is to "be known". End game community is small, so word gets around quickly.
When I want to add someone who I haven't heard about to my run, I always ask about if they're a decent player. There's always someone who had contact with that person.

Don't give up. Good luck

I can understand what you are saying but..dont take it personally, i have a life and enjoy my showers, not gonna waste it to spend my life role playing a guy on a videogame xD

Then real end game is not for you. Simple.

Real endgame is forgetting my irl existence, ignoring my kids and babe just to be a top tier ESO gamer? Ty for your reply and opinion but no thanks bud, have a good day

I play 2 - 3 hours a day, yet I'm doing vet trials on a daily basis.

Don't blame your lack of progression on other people then, if you only have one hour to play. Jeez.

Wheresthetea11 · January 2020

The elitism and toxicity of end game does suck, but, as many have said above me, it’s definitely best to stick with a progression guild. I’ve found the people much more enjoyable and much more understanding/willing to teach newer players how to complete the content. And improve as a player in general.

And to address a group finder for trials, it’s really not a good idea. Imagine queuing and pugging for hell, even a normal trial, and come to find out you’ve got an inexperienced/fake tank/healer that screws over the group. Or a dps that heavy and light attacks with a lightning staff and calls it a rotation. Dungeon pugs can already be a bit of a nightmare, throwing together 12 random people will cause much more problems than it fixes. Zone and guild chats are really the best option.

redgreensunset · January 2020

MachoKen wrote: »

Skoomah wrote: »

Join a guild. Large guilds will have their core vet trial team to compete for scores and a training run team to help people learn.

You just got to end game so you’re more suited for a training run team.

You’re right about the group finder. It doesn’t work. It’s stupid how that thing doesn’t work in a group based game.

The thing is, i'm on 4 different guilds and i dont have time for their schedules and like me theres many i bet, this is why matchmaking would fix these issues.

Then find different guilds? Like if these guilds don't have schedules that matches yours then find those who do. Locate and join guilds that are willing to help new comers, new end game level players get gear. They're out there, but you may have to do some trial and error befpre fnding them.
But maybe be proactive before joining? Like ask the guild leader about their schedule and general willingness to help outside of said schedule. Or be proactive in the guild and ask before you run for assistance. And not five minutes before but more like "I want to run X content for gear on [insert date, time and timezone] and are looking for guildies to help me run".
Because you're sking more of the pug system than it is meant to and was ever intended, to deal with. You're lso asking a whole lot of a bunch of random players with different agenda than yours, requesting they conform to yours while dismissing theirs.

mague · January 2020

MachoKen wrote: »

I would like to hear the community opinion regarding these points. Thank you.

16 years of mmo experience here. Endgame is just a made up benchmark for elitism, a synonym for elitism.

After so many years of grouping, raiding and soloing i judge a game for what you can do without instanced content. And now i am happy.. eventually

MartiniDaniels · January 2020

MachoKen wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

MachoKen wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Blame ZOS not players. There should be at least recommended DPS number near every dungeon icon and on loading screen to that dungeon. This will greatly reduce toxicity.

ZoS created the game, the community makes the game in it's whole if this makes sense. So yes, i blame the playerbase because they are the ones playing the game every single day and not the devs

Mechanics can be explained on the run, but dps still requires proper gear and rotation. If somebody don't know what to do in particular dungeons (but I see regular group dps and support is ok), I'll try to explain and won't leave if I see teammates are trying... but every dungeons has clear dps requirements to be completed reliably and if group is far from that requirement there is simply no point to continue.
Also I may recommend learning dungeons in tank role. You queue fast and you have better chance to learn mechanics, because not everything one-shots you also install Combat metrics or Bandit's interface (or both) if you are on PC, this will help a lot to understand what's going on.

I don't play nor DPS nor Tank..i'm enjoying my Healing guy^^

Oh, healer is most painful role for dungeons... I tried healing, but those idiot tanks who don't know how to block and so they immediately die as soon as you stop spamming burst heal because you decided to heal dps a bit.. no, sir, healer is awful role for non-organized groups, I can't recommend anything at this point >< be a tank or dps... healer in dungeons? no-no-no, it is unbearable

Roztlin45 · January 2020

It is an online social construct where people feel free to act out their true natures without damaging real-life reputation through screen name anonymity. In other words, the vile and evil nature of a person comes out in online games, just as the warm and compassionate does also. I have observed this over many years of playing different MMO's, this phenomenon is not isolated to just ESO. However, I can say that some MMO's have a greater number of social negative people than others as the system of the game caders to them. Homicide and burglary are main aspects to the elder scrolls universe, so I can see where the sociopathic tendencies are drawn to this game. As in anything virtual it is best to remember it is fantasy and do not take anything personal. The only power an online player has over you is when you give them control. To"make you angry", "to make you quit" is allowing them to control you. Just laugh at them, fight back or ignore. Those that are ego-driven have a hard time feeding off a person that does not allow them to be controlled. Never were there truer words than kill them with kindness.

onemoredragon · January 2020

MachoKen wrote: »

I'm part of 4 guilds, they have schedules that i cant attend and most times when i spam in chat that i need a group out of 300 people just 1 gives an answer. Guilds are overrated in this game, totally overrated.

You can try to find a guild with a schedule that is fitting you. Or with enough active people where you can start your own group at your prime time. Or with active discord channels where people can help out with your build, answer questions, etc.

Seriously, this is no one's fault that your current guilds have inconvenient schedules.

Aznarb · January 2020

MachoKen wrote: »

witchdoctor wrote: »

I'll be blunt: join a guild. There are many great guilds out there, and you can join 5. You'll never have to deal with randoms.

I'm part of 4 guilds, they have schedules that i cant attend and most times when i spam in chat that i need a group out of 300 people just 1 gives an answer. Guilds are overrated in this game, totally overrated.

What is overrated is you ability to find guild.
there are ton of guild who look at differente prupose, take more time to check them.
I never had guild problem in every mmorpg I've played. I take my time and find a serious one.
schedule is not a problem too, juste take time to find one or try your luck in guild forum section.

Ncr+3 is easily doable in pug if you know the strat for the +0, it's basically the same thing all-in-one.
All strat can be found on youtube or different website (google will help).
I've farm my full olo set in +3 with pug only, sometime it fail cuz ppl come and don't know start + don't ask for it (like, wth ? How are we supposed to know this guy don't know ?)

Last, you don't need 6000h to be cp810, it's pretty fast with all these event + free xp scroll and CP810 dopesn't mean their are experienced player, lot of them are incredibly bad and don't even know the basis.

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- if you pug trial w/o know strat : it's your fault
- if you don't ask for it : it's your fault
- if you don't take time to find a good guild : it's your fault
- if people insult you : block them
- if people tell your bad and do to much mistake : it's not an insult

To many people blame other instead of assuming their own mistake.
Their is nothing about elitism in what you write, ntrial are not even end-game.

You're new, so, take time to get good gear that are easy to get w/o groupe 1st AND a friendly guilde who match your playtime.
Then practice in vet/vet hm + ntrial pug + guild both are important imho to improve fast.
Don't forget to read guide about everything, CP, class, build, mechanic, strat : learn.

Most of the content is incredibly easy, but, in other side a part of the content is very hard for most people.
Start by the basis, be patient, don't think you gonna be insanely good in few week, that not how this game work.

Take all of this as you want, but it always easier to blame other instead of yourself.

RefLiberty · January 2020

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Blame ZOS not players. There should be at least recommended DPS number near every dungeon icon and on loading screen to that dungeon. This will greatly reduce toxicity.

How can you put an official DPS number requirement when the game is not officially providing a tool or option to measure it in-game without a mod?
If that is not stupid, it is at least unprofessional for any serious company.

Ozby · January 2020

MachoKen wrote: »

witchdoctor wrote: »

I'll be blunt: join a guild. There are many great guilds out there, and you can join 5. You'll never have to deal with randoms.

I'm part of 4 guilds, they have schedules that i cant attend and most times when i spam in chat that i need a group out of 300 people just 1 gives an answer. Guilds are overrated in this game, totally overrated.

I'm sorry I do not agree, I have been running a Aussie and Kiwi guild for 2 years now and we practically never need to pug and if we do its normally just 1 person. We are end game vets who help new players and do progression on all vet trials and HM vet Dungeons. Not sure your time zone but I am sure there is a guild who runs your times. Get out there look report a holes and move on. Its an awesome game if you can put up with the bugs and the odd jerk.