JJBoomer wrote: »

So I am all in favor of keeping these two aspects of the game separate. As far as balance goes, people other than me have already come up with really good ideas about how pvp balancing shouldn't affect pve and vice versa, so i won't re-hash that.

I'm talking about content. Specifically the pve content that exists inside the PVP area with no way to opt out of the pvp aspect if you're only there to do quests and collect skyshards. Personally, I hate pvp. And I don't want anything to do with it. I don't want someone with nothing better to do, killing me over and over again, while i'm trying to do Cyrodiil's quests. As it stands right now, I've made peace with the fact that those quests and skyshards are ones that I will never complete, because I don't want to go in there and deal with *** players.

One idea is to make a completely SEPARATE pve instance of cyrodiil. Like literally just a clone of Cyrodiil where there is no PVP active.

Another idea would be to just remove the pve content from Cyrodiil altogether. and put those skyshards in other places.

A third idea consists of adding a setting to Cyrodiil, where you can turn off the pvp for your character, and not be killed by other players. but to not interfere with the alliance war or give an unfair advantage, if you turned pvp off, then you would also not be able to engage in any alliance war activities as well. You know, that way people couldn't turn off pvp but still capture keeps and scrolls and whatever. Because that would be beyond unfair.

I would love to explore Cyrodiil, do the quests, get the skyshards, etc. but yeah I don't want to be killed just for wandering around, not being a threat to anyone. it gets annoying real fast to deal with griefing.

Exactly the same reason why I won't go into Cyrodiil myself. No way to complete the quests without being ganked. Not to mention the skyshards being locked behind enemy keeps.

whilst i agree with the 1st two ideas "A third idea consists of adding a setting to Cyrodiil, where you can turn off the pvp for your character, and not be killed by other players." this would not be an option as there is a possibility it could and probably would be exploited in some way

PSA.

PvP player doesn't equal *** player.

Iskiab wrote: »

If you don’t like pvp then why are you going into cyrodiil? There’s no need.

there are quests, lore books, skyshards, dolmens and delves in Cyrodiil that for most PvE players will miss out on because they dont like or want to PvP and as ZOS has said this game was designed to played how we want, i'm all for PvE players having a version of Cyrodiil its a major part of Tamriel Lore for one. just as PvP'ers can duel without penalty in PvE zones why should the PvE players not have a free pass to content?

I agree. At lvl 50 require each toon to make a decision whether it wishes to be PvE or PvP. No turning back.

First, I'm admitting I didn't read all of the replys.
Second, if you get to PvE in a PvP zone, I should get to PvP in a PvE zone (other than dueling, like, I can kill a player for their node or for leaving items in a chest).
Third, this has all pretty much been suggested before and just... No.

Have you tried going into an empty campaign? I've run around in an empty one several times for HOURS without seeing hardly any other players. And if you need to go into a more active one for some of the Skyshards, like the ones behind gates, then suck it up, join a group, and go get them. I hated PvP at first (heck, I was scared of it), and now I spend a good portion of my time there. Maybe you just need to give it more of a chance??

It is completely possible to clear pve content of Cyrodiil:

- try to log on the most "quiet" campaign for your alliance, you can check the number of players per faction. Avoid saturday nights by default.
- have a world map ready (UESP 's interactive map is great), the region is big, you have to know where to go.
- the region is at war, so always consider you are a target, don't rest idle in the middle of nowhere. Sneak near trees or rocks. You may avoid a whole zerg by just crouching behind a wall.
- often check in-game map to see where recent battles are. Avoid hot spots as much as possible.
- for behind enemy lines skyshards, delves and anchors, keep previous points in mind, avoid conflict when possible. When you have to fight, make it as quick as possible, and always consider a ganker may be aiming onto you. Sneak is once again your best friend.
- pve enemies are not stronger than most base content, but npc enemies guarding towns and keeps are. Forget the classic dungeon damage rotation, have some pvp-like skill setup (burst damage, self-healing, CC, CC-breaker, panic button to escape).
- as anywhere else, having a buddy with you will make the trip way easier for both.
- check delves completion conditions, some have more than 1 boss (and sometimes he would take time to appear, kind of loading bug)
- while it is totally possible to take a town solo against npcs, consider it may drag attention of enemy alliance players. Check your map first, and consider how waypoints would connect after taking the town. If there would still be an enemy waypoint nearby, keep sneaking.

I'm not fond of Cyrodiil pvp but I did enjoy completing the region. Got ganked and even zerged a few times, went on something else and came back later. You can consider it as a themed roleplay region with random encounters (replace gankers by dragons, it wouldn't be any easier).

You have to murder npcs to clear dark brotherhood, you have to steal things to clear thieves guild, those two often ending up with a bounty on your head. For both DLCs you can keep your main gear, making it hard, or adapt and take dedicated set(s) to make it easier.

In Cyrodiil there is war, with all the unfairness it can bring. But you can also adapt.

I don't see why PvE'rs feel so bad about being killed by an intelligent-human-being but feeling ok about being killed by scripted dumb, not-capable-of-crit damage NPCs or bosses.

Seriously, you have nothing to lose. Only annoying thing about being killed is the horse simulator since Cyrodiil is huge.

You don't lose anything. Literally, anything.

Huyen wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

So I am all in favor of keeping these two aspects of the game separate. As far as balance goes, people other than me have already come up with really good ideas about how pvp balancing shouldn't affect pve and vice versa, so i won't re-hash that.

I'm talking about content. Specifically the pve content that exists inside the PVP area with no way to opt out of the pvp aspect if you're only there to do quests and collect skyshards. Personally, I hate pvp. And I don't want anything to do with it. I don't want someone with nothing better to do, killing me over and over again, while i'm trying to do Cyrodiil's quests. As it stands right now, I've made peace with the fact that those quests and skyshards are ones that I will never complete, because I don't want to go in there and deal with *** players.

One idea is to make a completely SEPARATE pve instance of cyrodiil. Like literally just a clone of Cyrodiil where there is no PVP active.

Another idea would be to just remove the pve content from Cyrodiil altogether. and put those skyshards in other places.

A third idea consists of adding a setting to Cyrodiil, where you can turn off the pvp for your character, and not be killed by other players. but to not interfere with the alliance war or give an unfair advantage, if you turned pvp off, then you would also not be able to engage in any alliance war activities as well. You know, that way people couldn't turn off pvp but still capture keeps and scrolls and whatever. Because that would be beyond unfair.

I would love to explore Cyrodiil, do the quests, get the skyshards, etc. but yeah I don't want to be killed just for wandering around, not being a threat to anyone. it gets annoying real fast to deal with griefing.

Exactly the same reason why I won't go into Cyrodiil myself. No way to complete the quests without being ganked. Not to mention the skyshards being locked behind enemy keeps.

The skyshards are pretty much impossible to get if you're only after the PvE content, but the rest? Quests, dolmens, delves and so on? Absolutely possible. Recently just did all of this myself, because I wanted the achievements associated with it. Went to the deadest possible campaign (not sure about the name, but it was the lowest one. Kaalgrontid perhaps?) and in all the time I spent cleaning up the map I was killed exactly twice by other players. And except for the two or three players from my own alliance that I saw, those were the only people I met at all. So, it's absolutely doable.

Now, Imperial City, though, that's another story. Has always been pretty full and, therefore, pretty dangerous, when I went there, so no luck yet. And while I agree that it would be nice to have a chance to do these PvE elements without fear of being ganked (heck, I would actually pay for a non-pvp version of Cyro just for the Imperial City content), I also think that it's true that us non-pvpers have to accept the fact that they are designed as pvp-areas. Just have to suck it up and wait for an opportunity to nagivate these zones without getting killed, and if that's not possible, give up on them. It can't all just be about PvE.

Edited for typo.