There was a huge thread on this that I was reading last night, hopefully it did not get deleted. It had turned into a huge debate over whether it was ok to report people who were "having fun playing the game their way" and completely missing the point that these players were killing the npcs upon their spawn & then spamming zone chat that they would sell the disease (bites) to those players who had been patiently awaiting the spawns in order to become infected through gameplay.

Zenimax IS aware of the situation & they are working on a solution that will help everyone. The biggest issue is as I mentioned above, the killing of the Vampires/Werewolves in order to prevent players from becoming infected through gameplay & then attempting to extort in-game currency (gold) from them by trying to sell their bites. It's my understanding (I have not personally seen this so take it with a salt shaker) that some have even "offered" to sell their bites for real money, including a paypal address with their "selling my bite" spam. However, there is also an issue with All-Vampyre & All-Werewolf guilds role-playing the continuation of the war between the two & as part of that they kill the opposing spawns.

Also from what I have read the main spawn points are the ones being camped, but there are also several "lesser" spawn points (perhaps where only 1 might spawn?) that can be found if you explore the zone a bit. I understand that this is merely a work-around for those who wish to become a Vamp or WW & that the main issue does need to be addressed but it's something anyway that might help you find a lonely Vamp hiding under a rock just waiting to suck your blood.

Zythos wrote: »

Even though it may seem like griefing, it's not. There's a valid reason for those players to kill vampires and werewolves, there's a valid reason for anyone to kill anything in the game. It's similar to other games that you're able to kill the opposing faction's NPCs.

Sorry, I like Fighter's Guild xp.

If you are killing rare spawns for Fighter's Guild xp you are wasting your time. It is about five minutes of running around to kill one or two mobs. You would be way better off farming a public dungeon with undead on daedra in it, that would be a far faster way to level fighter's guild and you would not be screwing folks out of these rare mobs.

I do think its dumb. I mean its a freaking game. Probably 90% of idiots camping these mobs will be quitting anyways once the next game comes out. Your in game gold isnt worth crap cause its fake, you dont really need it, your gonna quit one day anyways so putting all this effort into farming a spawn to get money is worthless cause you cant take it to another game. Plus Im sure zenimax is gonna change it anyways or whatever cause its dumb. And not even rp reasons is good to camp mobs to prevent people from advancing their toon how they want. Maybe if there was a dedicated RP server you could have a case, but there isnt and this not a rp required game.

LarZen wrote: »

If a player is in some way hindering other players from progressing or accessing content that should be for everyone in the game. Is that a violation of your terms?

One of these situations are players camping and killing NPC's so that others cant become a Vampire.

And if this is a violation. Are you going to do anything about it?

while I have been vocal in other threads about this... I would like to point out we have a reasonable right to compete for the mob that issues this quest... not a right to the quest. If other players equally needing the quest are competing for it.. they have just as much right.

If other players intentionally "hindering normal game-play" by blocking access to this quest are involved, different story.

make sure to /say "if you do not need this mob for quest you are hindering normal gameplay for those that do".
SS responses and report those that intentionally hinder normal gameplay. If 50 players are competing for same mob .. doesn't mean any 1 player deserves more than another, if 10 players don't need it but try to keep others from getting quest they are impeding normal gameplay.

LawfulEvil wrote: »

Killing in the name of RP is the dumbest excuse. I RP and do not need to kill rare spawn to fulfill my enjoyment. I think each faction has werewolves and Vampires that do not infect that can be mass slaughtered.

The problem is the whole Power Trip dynamics of most Vampire & Werewolf RP groups. It's all about gaining power & control so unless you get that particular component out of the RP experience, you're going to run into this abuse. It all comes down to the Will Wheaton Doctrine. "Don't Be A ***!"

When your beta test is a few thousand well behaved players, you don't foresee this kind of problem, I guess.

After we past a certain age becoming a vamp or a wolf doesn't really matter. Don't pay people to become vampires just get to the age you don't care anymore.

LarZen wrote: »

But when the main reason for killing these NPC's is to hinder other players from accessing content in the game it becomes a different case.

If this is allowed then it opens up Pandoras Box for other ways to grief and hinder other players in the game. This would just be the start.

Not how I want my gaming experience to be...

I pretty much share the same sentiment. I shouldn't have to worry about some random basement dweller (or group of basement dwellers) keeping me from content I paid for. It's asinine that this is even an issue where players are able to do this in the first place.

MysticAura wrote: »

They could just make vamps and were players flagged as enemies if outed. They wouldn't be so quick to advertise themselves anymore. Not to mention that advertising themselves is very anti lore and rp. Unless they want to be killed.

It's only a half serious idea that occurred to me after reading yet another thread on this same topic.

I'm pretty sure they care not one bit about lore or RP, they are only trying to extort gold from other players. Yes, it IS extortion when they camp the spawn, kill it before anyone else can move & then spam the zone chat "offering" to sell bites for exorbitant amounts of in-game currency &/or real cash money.

There are ways around this, apparently there are many spawn points & of course there is relogging to try for a phase in which the spawns are not being camped but WHY should the players have to suffer with attempting a work-around for something that's not their fault. As to all those who say it's not Zenimax's fault nor are they required to fix it because it's a game mechanic & therefore not being exploited all I have to say is I'm sure you'll be the first & loudest one screaming when you're affected by "other players playing the game as it is", when you are the one being prevented from getting what you desire or need. Considering that this was known WELL before the game released, it IS Zenimax's fault, as they were aware of the potential for this situation to develop & did nothing to prevent it.

I report them all.

If that will result in anything or not , i dont know , but i still do it.

I get even one of them banned , then it was all already worth it.

Players hindering other players from content? gah i get that in WoW too ever since shortly after patch 5.0 with cluster-*** realm zones

I hate people too... can we be friends

LarZen wrote: »

If a player is in some way hindering other players from progressing or accessing content that should be for everyone in the game. Is that a violation of your terms?

One of these situations are players camping and killing NPC's so that others cant become a Vampire.

And if this is a violation. Are you going to do anything about it?

Personally.. I don't want to become a vampire, but it would be nice to see it as a rare thing rather than every man an his dog being a vamp. If it means that much to you, you should have to work hard to earn it.

Saying this though, if it is indeed a violation of the game ToS (which from my brief check it doesn't seem to be) then I think it's fair that you would like something done about it, and they should respond. It wouldn't be fair for to say just suck it up because I know if I encountered something that is being overlooked in the ToS that's severely impacting my enjoyment of the game I would be using that as my argument lol.

LarZen wrote: »

But when the main reason for killing these NPC's is to hinder other players from accessing content in the game it becomes a different case.

We now have bots teleporting to harvest nodes. Bots camping bosses so it's hard to impossible to get the kill. And now also human players camping NPC's so that other players cant access content in the game.

It's not about a war or anything game related in that regard. It's about controlling content and keeping content away from others players. And charging for it with either in-game or real money. Or just for the lols.

If this is allowed then it opens up Pandoras Box for other ways to grief and hinder other players in the game. This would just be the start.

Not how I want my gaming experience to be...

Adding my voice to this. I wholly agree with the OP. Zeni should make some changes to hinder this, but we the players should also do what we can. By example if nothing else. I also propose that a new internet meme be created: controller. They're a CON, a TROLL, and a controller all in one.

Lol, I can imagine what is talked about if/when someone is RP killing the same vampire over and over. I am ... so... tired... I have been here for hours. This vampire just won't stay down... must ... kill... again... something has to work... I fear it is the vampires trickery. It is attempting to break my will and turn me into a vampire. For the love of all that is holy!! PLEAAAASSSEEEEE STAAYYYY DOWNN!!

Moonraker wrote: »

Looms like it's something that Bethesda see as 'game play' rather than expolit from recent Twitter post this evening;

“@Bethblog: ‘ESO’ crazy monsters’ @IGN http://t.co/Ifq4onAscN”

I don't think Bethesda was regarding the people spawn-killing to prevent other players from being able to access the powers, but the people negotiating trades for the bites.