Anybody know what the update is for? Got 27gb on xbox.

fred4 wrote: »

Yeah, it's for magblades alright. Dark Cloak now makes you fly.

Lol i wish. Seemed big for normal maintenance, was hopping to hear some lag issues were fixed.

Valagash wrote: »

I have a question regarding Potentates Set

I´m playing with my Magblade (Khajit Vampire) last weeks around in Cyro non-CP solo 1vX and find myself best comfortable with backbar Lich Resto / frontbar Spinner Destro / Bloodspawn Monster Set and 2pcs of Willpower jewellery setup

Sustain is fine also damage is good (if I don´t abandon Soul Harvest - I really really absolute dislike the cast time on it...!) but it would be great to be a little bit tankier (burst heal) because I don´t play as perma-cloak-blade. I was thinking about to replace my Willpower jewellery with the Potentates Set.

Are this 5% less player damage worse it? I ll lose 1700 max mag but with Lich+Pot my sustain is fine and I think the damage will too.

Or what do you use as additional setup with Lich+Spinner? 4pcs instead of Monster-Set?

I used willpower for a while, but imo the huge benefit is the 3 piece bonus and not the 2 piece bonus.

I used something similar and went New Moon front bar, Transmutation back bar, 3 piece willpower and 1 piece armour monster.

I ended up switching to bright throat and new moon breaking new moon on the back bar with potatoes and two 1 piece armour sets for a little more tankiness.

I think you have a good setup but I prefer extra tankiness if you aren’t using cloak. With cloak (meaning Shadowy Disguise) I’d try 3 piece willpower and 1 piece armour set. Then the problem becomes which bar to cloak on, shade and cloak on the new moon bar will hurt.

Oh one more thing. Do you run elusive mist? One thing I did was 2x swift, and it’s awesome. It’ll stop stam running you down in mist form. I’m one of those magblades who thinks the shade is too expensive and mist form is better. I always liked Shadowy Disguise front and Mist back.

Valagash wrote: »

thank you very much for answer and time! I tried the new moon set but I had real sustain issues! This was one of the reason why I switched back to my old favorite Lich Set and played around with other combinations. Maybe it s my playstyle but I missed burst damage on my New Moon Setup which is way better with Spinner. (especially if I mess up my soul harvest) But as mentioned I m still try out a few setups. Acutally Lich+Spinner is my favorite

Maybe I try to drop bloodspawn for one piece pirate skelleton and 3x Potentates

About elusive: yes and no. I switch back and forth my backbar skills. Cloak+Shade / Phantasmal or Race against Time/ Rapid vs. Mutagen or/and both Healing Ward + Rapid / Elusive + Cloak
I think my english wording was wrong. I use cloak but not permanent. I see a lot of nightblades which use cloak every few seconds. Thats not my playstyle. I use it much more as an escape tool to get my burst heal up without more incoming damage
But I haven´t think about swift trait. I ll give them a try. Thank you for your input!

Bloodspawn is a great set, but it’s overrated imo. I went through CMX and found it only has a 40% or so uptime. I think it’s great on a heavy or tanky medium build that already has a good base resistance, but with light armour as your only defensive set I’ve found it’s too feast or famine.... meaning I blow up fast or mitigate a little extra damage for a while.

With light armour I prefer 2 1 piece armour sets these days. It makes damage more predictable. I miss the stamina regen and Ult gen, but you can’t have everything.

I switched to a magplar from magblade which is why I went New Moon. Magblade has a lot worse sustain, I’d stick with spinners. As a magplar I run 1500 regen and new moon, that wouldn’t work on a magblade.

There’ll be changes coming up to tweak more stuff in the coming patch. Then I’m sure there’ll be lots to discuss once Invig (or speed) drain is gutted so more theorycrafting to find the best combos.

Vermintide wrote: »

Bump for the bump god!

What's the state of magblade these days? We;ve been weak for a while, I left a few months ago when it felt like a couple of changes in the game as a whole pushed us to rock bottom (as long as I've been playing, at least). Have we got anything to be thankful for lately? Has the meta shifted somewhere that allows us an edge in?

My internet sucks these days so I won't be making the 60+gb download if we're still stuck where we were last October.

Not really, same old. There’ve been lots of balance swings lately, and PTS will be up in a couple weeks or so. Maybe there’ll be positive changes.

It’s still good in duels, for solo play okayish but a hard time with any tanky targets, poor in BGs, good in group play. It’s just the three areas magblade can do okay in the specs are totally different.

ThePedge wrote: »

Unfortunately burst is an issue. Basically need to stars to align and Fear -> Soul Siphon -> bow proc.

That has been the case as long as I can remember, way back into 2016 or so. Kill combo has always been the same. The trade off used to be we had the best resource management in the game. Sadly that has no longer been true for a very long while.

Iskiab wrote: »

Not really, same old. There’ve been lots of balance swings lately, and PTS will be up in a couple weeks or so. Maybe there’ll be positive changes.

It’s still good in duels, for solo play okayish but a hard time with any tanky targets, poor in BGs, good in group play. It’s just the three areas magblade can do okay in the specs are totally different.

Ugh. Not encouraging news then. I'll check back in maybe another month or two.

Before I left I was toying with bringing back a simple, very old school 5H/2L Seducer/Spinner type of build, seems like it would go well with some of the changes they made to mitigation etc recently. Think there would be any mileage in that?

IMO magblade is super fun to play on! Unlike other patches where Playing a nightblade was considered a carry, it is one of the hardest if not the hardest class to solo on. The survivability on it compared to other classes is laughable. With that being said, it’s one of the most rewarding classes to play on.

For a solo magblade, I’ve learned that heavy armour this patch is not a very viable option. Though it can kill some players, aka the very squishy pvers, you won’t be able to kill someone properly set up for pvp. The best option this patch is definitely light armour Mostly just for the spell pen passives.

After endless amounts of tests and theory crafting, I have found that high sustain is the best way to go this patch with pen and max stats taking a back seat in terms of higher importance. Some people play with tk but in all honesty, it’s not something you need. A lot of people tend to think that higher pen is better; (which is true in some cases) however, the majority of your time is spent kiting a Zerg or group around and pen doesn’t count towards healing. not to mention that we’re no longer in a resistance meta but a heal meta so pen is kind of meh. I kill people just fine with my soul harvest merciless burts.

Regarding monster sets, I usually run blood spawn (faster ult means faster resto ult for emergency heal) or shadowrend depending on the style I want to play. Occasionally, I’ll throw on engine guardian but I prefer the prior sets.

Healing and mitigation is very important this patch. I found hots to work better than burst heals. (Rapid regen, Dark cloak). It’s at the point where I can stay alive better with hots than shields. (One hot has a tool tip of 37k fully buffed) mitigation works waaay better than resistances especially with every stam toon running onslaught. The more mitigation, the better. (Maim, 10% merciless, protection, with sets being optional)

In terms of a 1v1, there’s very few builds or classes that I have lost against in a fair fight. In fact, I would go as far to say that a magblade, in the right hands of course, can easily outperform the majority of the “meta Builds” out there.

So long as merciless, fear, soul harvest and some sort of hard cc are on your front bar, I have found that Skills are all a matter of personal preference. Example: For solo open world play I play with vamp mist and phantasmal escape on back bar. For my play style, I have found that the major evasion is better than the minor force from race against time or the minor maim/kiteablitlty from shade. Unlike others, I have a very patient play style in which I will not try to burst until I have everything ready and If my burst doesn’t kill you in a 1 shot or followed by two swallow soul light attack spams, I will just go back to healing until I have everything ready again and will attempt to run you out of Stam. Just be sure you’re using shadowrend for access to minor maim.

Finally, it’s been nice not seeing that many nightblades running around everywhere. The majority of the people who “Mained it” before are now getting carried on other classes. it actually takes some brain to be able to effectively play this class either solo, or in a 1v1 scenario. There’s no copy and paste build that will make you into a god. At this point, if I see someone using a mag blade, I know they are A) either really good and have been playing magblade for a long time or b) really bad and are new to the game or are a zergling.

The following is a list of people who are, aside from me, still playing magblade and are able to solo:
- zDan (xbox), YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/iSelectify

- xJEJENUMx (ps4 NA/AD), YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/iSelectify

- isthereno1else

zDan is amazing. xJEJENUMx is probably the best magblade on AD. (There could be better players idk. Haven’t seen many around.) feel free to add your own.

If you're wearing light armor as a magblade in this patch you are doing it wrong. The magicka end of your class is busted right now. Extreme amounts of pressure and healing with very good burst and a ranged execute spammable. Figure out how to play it and enjoy it while it lasts before heavy armor passives get nerfed to the floor.

Koensol wrote: »

nublife01 wrote: »

Dude magblade is so freaking strong right now. Go equpi nma (heavy) spinners and bloodspawn with black rose back bar and just livelord everything and put out more pressure than any other class in the game outside of jav spam which is melee

nublife01 wrote: »

If you're wearing light armor as a magblade in this patch you are doing it wrong. The magicka end of your class is busted right now. Extreme amounts of pressure and healing with very good burst and a ranged execute spammable. Figure out how to play it and enjoy it while it lasts before heavy armor passives get nerfed to the floor.

Can I have what you're smoking?

I think he's just trolling because the game is down. I don't think he's figured out magblades have worse burst, healing and tankiness then stamblades. Any setups he says are OP for magblade can be done better as a stamblade unless it's a cloak spammer build.

SpiderCultist wrote: »

hey, I'm back after a few months break

I've missed lots of patch notes and too lazy to read 35 pages here

so what are the news? any decent build or idea? I played yesterday with my mNB and felt really clunky, Swallow Soul hitting for 2k on magsorcs ,etc. I can't compete by any mean with them...

Magblades are hot garbage right now. I'm waiting to see what changes turn up on the PTS, and if the class doesn't get a [substantial] rework, I'm throwing in the towel. I can't speak re: Cyrodiil/CP PVP, but in BGs they are almost completely non-viable against other classes once you rise above the lower tiers & are playing even semi-competent players.

Pick magblade if your primary goal is to be the most effective at sneaking off in retreat from a fight you can't possibly hope to win — if you actually want kills, pick another class. Any other class.

Iskiab wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

nublife01 wrote: »

Dude magblade is so freaking strong right now. Go equpi nma (heavy) spinners and bloodspawn with black rose back bar and just livelord everything and put out more pressure than any other class in the game outside of jav spam which is melee

nublife01 wrote: »

If you're wearing light armor as a magblade in this patch you are doing it wrong. The magicka end of your class is busted right now. Extreme amounts of pressure and healing with very good burst and a ranged execute spammable. Figure out how to play it and enjoy it while it lasts before heavy armor passives get nerfed to the floor.

Can I have what you're smoking?

I think he's just trolling because the game is down. I don't think he's figured out magblades have worse burst, healing and tankiness then stamblades. Any setups he says are OP for magblade can be done better as a stamblade unless it's a cloak spammer build.

I honestly had to chuckle at the part where he said "extreme amounts of pressure". If he's not trolling then he's either fighting potato's or getting carried by others. Magblade with NMA in heavy lmao. Lets take the class with the worst sustain and slap on 2 damage sets in heavy armor with a 5% cost increase on top, while relying on a very expensive (and garbage tier) healing ward to survive

Nightblade is and has been in such a terrible position for BG’s & small scale/solo play for 3 months or so now.

It really saddens me that the rogue/assassin archetype class is completely unable to burst down aka overwhelm a player with damage due to the amount of damage other classes passively have, enabling them to all build as tanks.

It feels as if nightblade has 1-3% more damage than other classes when we spec into 100% damage & die whenever we’re looked at, while everyone else gets 90% of the damage we have AND the ability to tank for days.

BG’s are heavily dominants by AOE damage but many users also have a ton of speed which makes things like our Veil ultimate seemingly useless due to the fact that it’s stationary. I would argue the warden tree ult is even better than Soul Siphon.
Sap has had many nerfs through the years I think the damage version of refreshing path is even better & that doesn’t even proc set bonuses like scathing anymore but can’t necro proc it’s own synergies with harmony builds LOLOLOL

Nightblade is sheer trash can right now & I can’t pray hard enough that they do something to help us.

See the PTS notes? Thoughts?

Main things:
- some set changes that might help a bit, hard to tell from notes
- Scathing mage might be good
- Dizzy will stun off balance targets, off balance will have a CD so will be up 1/3 of the time
- Single target abilities will be able to target people in stealth

Overall? Hard to say, I think things will be worse overall. Expect things to be harder 1v1, the last time dizzy stunned was when I quit magblade