Scathing looks like 100% uptime, as long as you are in combat. Unlike, say, Spell Strategist, this will buff healing, but then again Swallow Soul keys off damage done, so it's a wash there.
Scathing looks like 100% uptime, as long as you are in combat. Unlike, say, Spell Strategist, this will buff healing, but then again Swallow Soul keys off damage done, so it's a wash there.
How do you figure? It's still a 20% chance to proc, no? And now that the cooldown doesn't overlap it's literally impossible to be up 100%. My guess would be ~83% tops, and that's probably very optimistic. Am I missing something?
It's definitely better for lower crit builds now though. Should make it more viable in BGs.
Scathing looks like 100% uptime, as long as you are in combat. Unlike, say, Spell Strategist, this will buff healing, but then again Swallow Soul keys off damage done, so it's a wash there.
How do you figure? It's still a 20% chance to proc, no? And now that the cooldown doesn't overlap it's literally impossible to be up 100%. My guess would be ~83% tops, and that's probably very optimistic. Am I missing something?
It's definitely better for lower crit builds now though. Should make it more viable in BGs.
Fair enough. I think I overlooked the proc chance, but also I'm a PvPer. 83% and 100% are near equivalent for me. I was thinking of either using Crushing Shock or Sweeps. I suppose a sorc, being single target, will be just as well served with Spell Strategist or another set, but a templar? This is basically New Moon Acolyte without the cost increase. Sweeps is direct damage now and presumably amounts to 4 proc chances.
SRASinister wrote: »What is everyone running for Bar setups especially on Destro/Restro? I have trouble fitting things on each of my bars without sacrificing something I need for survivability vs damage vs a cc. I also had trouble picking a mundus stone since people would recommend me apprentice, mage, thief, shadow or even the lover.
SRASinister wrote: »What is everyone running for Bar setups especially on Destro/Restro? I have trouble fitting things on each of my bars without sacrificing something I need for survivability vs damage vs a cc. I also had trouble picking a mundus stone since people would recommend me apprentice, mage, thief, shadow or even the lover.
There isn’t one way to set it up. Most magblade specs are missing a key thing in their builds, most specs are about how to overcome this weakness.
Only thing that’s required: stun, cloak, merciless, and a siphoning ability. Usually people go swallow soul as the spammable to save bar space, but since the ability sucks I usually try to avoid it.
brandonv516 wrote: »Changes to solo queues only in BGs will be awesome for Magblades.
There will still be many coordinated players (especially at a higher MMR) but without the premade balls I'll be dominating even more lol.
brandonv516 wrote: »Changes to solo queues only in BGs will be awesome for Magblades.
There will still be many coordinated players (especially at a higher MMR) but without the premade balls I'll be dominating even more lol.
Maybe PC-EU is different. On PC-NA there aren’t a lot of premades, and the ones you see aren’t dominant players. High MMR is mostly solo players who play together naturally without queueing together.
"You can now only queue as a solo player into Battlegrounds."
This change seems huge to me and might just make life a bit easier for nightblades. No pre-made coordinated groups.
Scathing looks like 100% uptime, as long as you are in combat. Unlike, say, Spell Strategist, this will buff healing, but then again Swallow Soul keys off damage done, so it's a wash there.
brandonv516 wrote: »Changes to solo queues only in BGs will be awesome for Magblades.
There will still be many coordinated players (especially at a higher MMR) but without the premade balls I'll be dominating even more lol.
Maybe PC-EU is different. On PC-NA there aren’t a lot of premades, and the ones you see aren’t dominant players. High MMR is mostly solo players who play together naturally without queueing together.
See the PTS notes? Thoughts?
Main things:
- some set changes that might help a bit, hard to tell from notes
- Scathing mage might be good
- Dizzy will stun off balance targets, off balance will have a CD so will be up 1/3 of the time
- Single target abilities will be able to target people in stealth
Overall? Hard to say, I think things will be worse overall. Expect things to be harder 1v1, the last time dizzy stunned was when I quit magblade
See the PTS notes? Thoughts?
Main things:
- some set changes that might help a bit, hard to tell from notes
- Scathing mage might be good
- Dizzy will stun off balance targets, off balance will have a CD so will be up 1/3 of the time
- Single target abilities will be able to target people in stealth
Overall? Hard to say, I think things will be worse overall. Expect things to be harder 1v1, the last time dizzy stunned was when I quit magblade
We got 1 change while warden at least had 2, all other classes had multiple things. Just the fact of ONLY having 1 thing changed good or bad, implies they aren't planning on doing anything. #SadFace
There will likely be some availability for troll builds, but as far as magblade as a competitive, fair/straight up fighter, no dice.
IMO, if you're not eating the cost of New Moon by single barring it and adding heavy attacks or Meditate as needed, that set is highly questionable. However, I'm no longer saying Scathing will be great on magblade. Would have to test how much it procs in an actual magblade build.Scathing looks like 100% uptime, as long as you are in combat. Unlike, say, Spell Strategist, this will buff healing, but then again Swallow Soul keys off damage done, so it's a wash there.
I still think New Moon is better than scathing because of the added pen.
The cost is offset by breton + 1 reduce cost enchant.
IMO, if you're not eating the cost of New Moon by single barring it and adding heavy attacks or Meditate as needed, that set is highly questionable. However, I'm no longer saying Scathing will be great on magblade. Would have to test how much it procs in an actual magblade build.Scathing looks like 100% uptime, as long as you are in combat. Unlike, say, Spell Strategist, this will buff healing, but then again Swallow Soul keys off damage done, so it's a wash there.
I still think New Moon is better than scathing because of the added pen.
The cost is offset by breton + 1 reduce cost enchant.
IMO, if you're not eating the cost of New Moon by single barring it and adding heavy attacks or Meditate as needed, that set is highly questionable. However, I'm no longer saying Scathing will be great on magblade. Would have to test how much it procs in an actual magblade build.Scathing looks like 100% uptime, as long as you are in combat. Unlike, say, Spell Strategist, this will buff healing, but then again Swallow Soul keys off damage done, so it's a wash there.
I still think New Moon is better than scathing because of the added pen.
The cost is offset by breton + 1 reduce cost enchant.
Agreed. In every case I've tried it, Spinner's has been the clear winner. (I'm sure there are use-cases where the opposite is true, but not in any of mine.) It's faulty logic to say "the cost is offset" by changing races — that's not how it works.
IMO, if you're not eating the cost of New Moon by single barring it and adding heavy attacks or Meditate as needed, that set is highly questionable. However, I'm no longer saying Scathing will be great on magblade. Would have to test how much it procs in an actual magblade build.Scathing looks like 100% uptime, as long as you are in combat. Unlike, say, Spell Strategist, this will buff healing, but then again Swallow Soul keys off damage done, so it's a wash there.
I still think New Moon is better than scathing because of the added pen.
The cost is offset by breton + 1 reduce cost enchant.
Agreed. In every case I've tried it, Spinner's has been the clear winner. (I'm sure there are use-cases where the opposite is true, but not in any of mine.) It's faulty logic to say "the cost is offset" by changing races — that's not how it works.
You’ll need to drop spinners imo after the patch. The pen will be uncompetitive with the amount of spell damage you can get from other sets.
IMO, if you're not eating the cost of New Moon by single barring it and adding heavy attacks or Meditate as needed, that set is highly questionable. However, I'm no longer saying Scathing will be great on magblade. Would have to test how much it procs in an actual magblade build.Scathing looks like 100% uptime, as long as you are in combat. Unlike, say, Spell Strategist, this will buff healing, but then again Swallow Soul keys off damage done, so it's a wash there.
I still think New Moon is better than scathing because of the added pen.
The cost is offset by breton + 1 reduce cost enchant.
Agreed. In every case I've tried it, Spinner's has been the clear winner. (I'm sure there are use-cases where the opposite is true, but not in any of mine.) It's faulty logic to say "the cost is offset" by changing races — that's not how it works.
You’ll need to drop spinners imo after the patch. The pen will be uncompetitive with the amount of spell damage you can get from other sets.
Example?
I think molag kena is going to be much better now that the cost is reduced. Spinner should be at/around top tier as always.
i used to use kena on magblade back when i first started to play it solo alot, don't quite remember my build though but it worked well with destro melee spec. i'm so hype its getting a buff, along with my favorite spell damage set, clever alch
Are you taking the magicka into account? With 2192 magicka, (2520 w/ a Siphoning ability & Magelight) and the 129 SD, I think the 3450 pen from Spinner's is still competitive. Penetration is almost always more useful than SD in my experience.IMO, if you're not eating the cost of New Moon by single barring it and adding heavy attacks or Meditate as needed, that set is highly questionable. However, I'm no longer saying Scathing will be great on magblade. Would have to test how much it procs in an actual magblade build.Scathing looks like 100% uptime, as long as you are in combat. Unlike, say, Spell Strategist, this will buff healing, but then again Swallow Soul keys off damage done, so it's a wash there.
I still think New Moon is better than scathing because of the added pen.
The cost is offset by breton + 1 reduce cost enchant.
Agreed. In every case I've tried it, Spinner's has been the clear winner. (I'm sure there are use-cases where the opposite is true, but not in any of mine.) It's faulty logic to say "the cost is offset" by changing races — that's not how it works.
You’ll need to drop spinners imo after the patch. The pen will be uncompetitive with the amount of spell damage you can get from other sets.
Example?
I think molag kena is going to be much better now that the cost is reduced. Spinner should be at/around top tier as always.
Well, a lot of it is guesswork as always. I just think 500 sp > 3k pen, especially with buffs up. There are now multiple sets that give great uptime on high spell damage amounts.
IMO, if you're not eating the cost of New Moon by single barring it and adding heavy attacks or Meditate as needed, that set is highly questionable. However, I'm no longer saying Scathing will be great on magblade. Would have to test how much it procs in an actual magblade build.Scathing looks like 100% uptime, as long as you are in combat. Unlike, say, Spell Strategist, this will buff healing, but then again Swallow Soul keys off damage done, so it's a wash there.
I still think New Moon is better than scathing because of the added pen.
The cost is offset by breton + 1 reduce cost enchant.
IMO, if you're not eating the cost of New Moon by single barring it and adding heavy attacks or Meditate as needed, that set is highly questionable. However, I'm no longer saying Scathing will be great on magblade. Would have to test how much it procs in an actual magblade build.Scathing looks like 100% uptime, as long as you are in combat. Unlike, say, Spell Strategist, this will buff healing, but then again Swallow Soul keys off damage done, so it's a wash there.
I still think New Moon is better than scathing because of the added pen.
The cost is offset by breton + 1 reduce cost enchant.
Yea I don’t mean scathing is bad, just that you pretty much have to use it with crushing shock, & it’s super annoying when fighting nightblades because they cloak for the duration of the proc then you have to proc again. If it could be kept up based on dots that would be fine like “while the dot is active aka doing damage, because cloak would suppress the dot & the buff would fall off, but when they came out of cloak if the dot was still on them, it would re-apply the buff w/o you needing to recast the dot.