WacArnold wrote: »

So im having some trouble getting burst down running btb/cal and troll still with spring loaded.

Some changes I have made defense wise are, I have added concealed to my back bar to give a little extra speed to get out of situations. Now im wondering, there is not really anyway to add resistants but I can add health. If I run disastrous bloody mara with tri stat glyphs I can get 28k health and 3k health recovery while still getting 40k magicka on front bar. Right now im at 24k health will adding that extra amount of health give me some extra bulk to survive a burst? Is is worth it? Right now skills like leap stun me and really hit hard giving opponents time to execute me. Just trying to add some bulk to survive that kind of thing.

I’ve always preferred mitigation to high health. High health can make it hard to get out of execute range.

I think higher health can be good with dark cloak? Never tried it. I always go for just enough to get me out of bad positions.

Simple thing I’d try first is two 1 piece resists pieces. I think health recovery’s overrated, it’s reduced by defile and I went vampire.

Even if you had 3k health recovery 3k health every 2 seconds helps... just not that much.

WacArnold wrote: »

Ok. So that would put me up to 22k front bar and 25k back bar on resistances (34% front) (38% back). Thats using 1 pirate and 1 lord warden. So with that you you think it would be better to go back to spring loaded and use mag glyphs?

Depends. I made a new templar the other day and transferred over all my gear and used the exact same spec, the only difference is one was a Breton and the other a Khajit. First impression was the Breton was a lot stronger, the small racial differences made a big difference.

I’d go in just with those changes and see how you do. Other options are to only use 1 piece armour and have the other be pure stat piece like Domihaus or Stone Fist.

I think don’t change glyphs because it’s a waste of money. Go in as is and see how it performs, then tweak as needed.

WacArnold wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=194532

Do you guys think this would work? I found this build looking at a necro build just tweaked it a little for damage i didn't come up with it.

For the skills since recov is low maybe switch inner light with ele drain then loose mark for siphoning/shade and use temporal/tether. Then use spell power pots

I have those skills slotted because it showed the most effective spell damage and Spell power pots are expensive, so using alliance pots for sorcery. But i dont think I could sustain with that and would need ele drain personally. Idk just a thought trying think of ways to take a punch and give a punch. This would be for cp only.

Could work maybe, you’ll have sustain issues and have to be on your back bar a lot.

Those resistances would be hard to maintain, you have to be flipping to your back bar all the time.

Camouflage hunter is also an easy way to get minor berserk. I’d be tempted to drop slimecraw and use crit pots.

WacArnold wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

WacArnold wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=194532

Do you guys think this would work? I found this build looking at a necro build just tweaked it a little for damage i didn't come up with it.

For the skills since recov is low maybe switch inner light with ele drain then loose mark for siphoning/shade and use temporal/tether. Then use spell power pots

I have those skills slotted because it showed the most effective spell damage and Spell power pots are expensive, so using alliance pots for sorcery. But i dont think I could sustain with that and would need ele drain personally. Idk just a thought trying think of ways to take a punch and give a punch. This would be for cp only.

Could work maybe, you’ll have sustain issues and have to be on your back bar a lot.

Those resistances would be hard to maintain, you have to be flipping to your back bar all the time.

Camouflage hunter is also an easy way to get minor berserk. I’d be tempted to drop slimecraw and use crit pots.

Sustain was what I was afraid of as well. Seems like im on my back bar alot with every build trying to recover or cloak away. I cant find a way to take pressure and stay offensive.

Having alot of trouble getting killed way to easy. Trying to figure out what I can do to correct this. Some problems I run into,

Dks leap and then just execute me to death or whip me to death its a quick fight once they hit leap.
Templars both mag and stam just jabbing me to death with pol rarely breaking to heal, I cannt get on the offensive.
Sorcs blowing me up with constant combos I can never get them on the defensive.
Bow ulti, I have no idea how to counter that? Get distance or block, keep dodge rolling until its over?
Stam characters using execute.

Having alot of trouble being able to go offensive, once they start their attack im blowing through resorces casting shield 100x just trying to get away. I really need some tips on how to deal with these. Not every character is like that but some just absolutely crush me almost instantly.

Bgs are different I dont get blown up like cp.

That’s magblade life lol. You aren’t going to win any straight up encounters. You need to build for more sustain than most classes and lack enough self healing to brawl. It also costs less resources on the offense than defense (no matter what the crybabies about healing say) so since the class can so easily be put on the defensive the sustain gets worse.

Here’s what I did when I played magblade more in BGs:
- DK leaps are predictable. They generally go offensive and wait for melee to kite back to leap so they hit more people. Make sure you’re nowhere near melee. A DK will almost always immobilize too before using whip. For whip you can cloak since it’s a single target ability and they won’t be able to hit you, then RAT. It’s a weak counter, mist is generally better
- Sweeps are a 100% NB counter. A templar will do more damage then you in melee range and heal for more then dark cloak, refreshing path and Siphoning Strikes combined. What works well is speed since channeling negates any speed they have. Fear will sometimes save you but won’t work if they have cc immunity, really the best thing is shade or mist form.

What you really want to do is be an opportunist. Someone who knows what they’re doing as a DK, Warden or Templar will almost always beat you. People love hunting NBs too, make them chase and pick your spots.

As sad as it is to say, don’t play a magblade in BGs.

WacArnold wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

WacArnold wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=194532

Do you guys think this would work? I found this build looking at a necro build just tweaked it a little for damage i didn't come up with it.

For the skills since recov is low maybe switch inner light with ele drain then loose mark for siphoning/shade and use temporal/tether. Then use spell power pots

I have those skills slotted because it showed the most effective spell damage and Spell power pots are expensive, so using alliance pots for sorcery. But i dont think I could sustain with that and would need ele drain personally. Idk just a thought trying think of ways to take a punch and give a punch. This would be for cp only.

Could work maybe, you’ll have sustain issues and have to be on your back bar a lot.

Those resistances would be hard to maintain, you have to be flipping to your back bar all the time.

Camouflage hunter is also an easy way to get minor berserk. I’d be tempted to drop slimecraw and use crit pots.

Sustain was what I was afraid of as well. Seems like im on my back bar alot with every build trying to recover or cloak away. I cant find a way to take pressure and stay offensive.

Having alot of trouble getting killed way to easy. Trying to figure out what I can do to correct this. Some problems I run into,

Dks leap and then just execute me to death or whip me to death its a quick fight once they hit leap.
Templars both mag and stam just jabbing me to death with pol rarely breaking to heal, I cannt get on the offensive.
Sorcs blowing me up with constant combos I can never get them on the defensive.
Bow ulti, I have no idea how to counter that? Get distance or block, keep dodge rolling until its over?
Stam characters using execute.

Having alot of trouble being able to go offensive, once they start their attack im blowing through resorces casting shield 100x just trying to get away. I really need some tips on how to deal with these. Not every character is like that but some just absolutely crush me almost instantly.

Bgs are different I dont get blown up like cp.

I don't play CP much so what I say may not resonate as much but some of the issues you described are relevant in BGs also:

Templar Jabs/Sweeps - Can be very difficult to counter but what you DO NOT do is run away from them while they are spamming. Instead run through them and use Cloak/Shade to reset on your terms.

DKs Leap - If you survive the ultimate, break free ASAP and use a CC. Then GTFO out of melee range. Reset and put the terms of the fight in your corner now that their ultimate is gone.

Magsorcs - They got powerful this patch (last patch they were more manageable). I can usually tell within the first few seconds whether I'm going to win the fight or not. Test the waters, swat at them a bit, break down their stamina pool, retreat if need be.

Bow ultimate - If you get this slammed on you in an open area, it's going to be rough. If you can dodge roll to something that will provide cover (i.e. tree) you can nullify the ultimate. If you just try just blocking it and you don't have CC immunity up, you'll likely find death soon.

Stam execute - Against DW it's a lot better than it used to be (since the execute is on the morph with a lower radius). Against 2H you can dodge roll and Cloak as needed - I don't find this as too much of an issue since Dizzy Swing was nerfed.

Good luck - see you around.

I recently switched to templar. One thing I’ll say about Sweeps spammers (I’m one) is that if I’ve closed against someone and am spamming sweeps I’ve already won (unless outnumbered).

Where I’ve struggled and lost against classes are ranged kiters. While toppling is fast you’re somewhat vulnerable because you can’t block mid air. The combo of meteor (I’m a vamp so it hits hard) and another big hitter while I’m mid air has been my nemesis.

Here's my build as I play it (though the weapon damage enchant will have really poor uptime but has been included as a buff). Maybe instead of building to be as strong as possible, build to counter other classes. https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=189573

By the way, another question about enchantments. Only light, heavy and weapon skills will proc them... but what about reach?

I know in PvE people use elemental blockade for uptime on the back bar enchantment, but can the same thing be done with reach? What about blade cloak, can the pulsing aoe damage proc the enchantment?

WacArnold wrote: »

"Build to counter other classes"- Iskiab

I have never really thought about building that way, always tried to build to be the strongest. Made me start thinking and looking into sets that may counter the problems I have.

One set that caught my eye is Bahraha's curse. Theres no cool down on it so as long as you can get a few hits here and there it might not be that hard to proc. I was thinking it may be a way to disrupt their gameplay with a big snare allowing me to be alot faster and keeping more control of the fight and creating distance or escape when need be.

Also there is reactive armor not exactly sure what is considered a disabling effect stuns and snares? If so that would definitely counter Templars.

Just a thought in that style of game play. Any thoughts on something like this working?

Not sure about Reactive but Hist Sap used to be great for Magblade (even more when combined with Dark Cloak). Still functions the same though but I think the heal got nerfed.

Iskiab wrote: »

By the way, another question about enchantments. Only light, heavy and weapon skills will proc them... but what about reach?

Reach does proc enchant, but only the initial hit instant damage part of it, not the dot part.. singe target weapon dots not proc enchants like ground weapon skill AOE dots do, so it will not update itself with the dot after initial proc.

Iskiab wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

By the way, another question about enchantments. Only light, heavy and weapon skills will proc them... but what about reach?

Reach does proc enchant, but only the initial hit instant damage part of it, not the dot part.. singe target weapon dots not proc enchants like ground weapon skill AOE dots do, so it will not update itself with the dot after initial proc.

Thanks, I tested reach out and found the same thing. Happen to know if quick cloak works the same way? It radiates aoe damage and am not sure if each pulsing aoe will proc enchantments. Stampede is another skill I was looking at, but don’t think I’d use it.

Quick Cloak /Deadly Cloak will keep procing glyphs even if you swap bars. Deadly Cloak can proc 2 infused DW weapons on CD. Can be very effective on some builds.

Been using my old necro + Alfiq + 1 domi 1 groth setup and doing pretty well. Running triple hots for survivability (dark cloak, refreshing path (major exp) and rapid regen. Using debilitate for extra sustain as well as infused absorb mag back bar. 60k max mag in cyro and around 17.5k Stam. Feels pretty good. Been doing very well in BGs as well.

I have a question regarding Potentates Set

I´m playing with my Magblade (Khajit Vampire) last weeks around in Cyro non-CP solo 1vX and find myself best comfortable with backbar Lich Resto / frontbar Spinner Destro / Bloodspawn Monster Set and 2pcs of Willpower jewellery setup

Sustain is fine also damage is good (if I don´t abandon Soul Harvest - I really really absolute dislike the cast time on it...!) but it would be great to be a little bit tankier (burst heal) because I don´t play as perma-cloak-blade. I was thinking about to replace my Willpower jewellery with the Potentates Set.

Are this 5% less player damage worse it? I ll lose 1700 max mag but with Lich+Pot my sustain is fine and I think the damage will too.

Or what do you use as additional setup with Lich+Spinner? 4pcs instead of Monster-Set?

thank you very much for answer and time! I tried the new moon set but I had real sustain issues! This was one of the reason why I switched back to my old favorite Lich Set and played around with other combinations. Maybe it s my playstyle but I missed burst damage on my New Moon Setup which is way better with Spinner. (especially if I mess up my soul harvest) But as mentioned I m still try out a few setups. Acutally Lich+Spinner is my favorite

Maybe I try to drop bloodspawn for one piece pirate skelleton and 3x Potentates

About elusive: yes and no. I switch back and forth my backbar skills. Cloak+Shade / Phantasmal or Race against Time/ Rapid vs. Mutagen or/and both Healing Ward + Rapid / Elusive + Cloak
I think my english wording was wrong. I use cloak but not permanent. I see a lot of nightblades which use cloak every few seconds. Thats not my playstyle. I use it much more as an escape tool to get my burst heal up without more incoming damage
But I haven´t think about swift trait. I ll give them a try. Thank you for your input!