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Unpopular Oppinion
BigBragg
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I honestly liked ESO better without dragons. They just have tossed them out and made them so common and focal. Just takes away from everything else in a way that feels gimmicky to me. I like the game being about the three banners war, and about the various stories that swirl around what happens in a chaotic time and an empty throne. From some of the side quests of the folks who want no part just getting caught up to the stories of kings, queens, and those grasping for power. With Abnur Tharn's quest that lead up to Elsweyr and his motivations just floundering out, I feel like the year and a lot of it's content have been somewhat vapid. As it is now, my opinion on the matter: Dragons are just a cliché trope.
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✭✭They were probably added to give people nostalgia about Skyrim being about dragons.10 -
OolongSnakeTea✭✭✭✭There is some lore that supports this that came out before ESO/Skyrim lore, so I like that it fills the cracks and that it's fun.
Plus who doesn't like to tussle with a big ol scaley boy?"I try to create sympathy for my characters, then turn the monsters loose."– Stephen King4 -
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✭thesoundofwolf wrote: »Plus who doesn't like to tussle with a big ol scaley boy?
Shudders, yet reluctantly agrees.
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Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The story's fine. I just think it was a huge wasted opportunity to not make them senche-dragons.
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✭BigBragg has the point tho, lore vise too.
Maybe dragons could wait the Skyrim expansion. Ah well, we will see how will story go, it is what it is now.
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✭✭✭It sounds a little to me like what you're feeling is as much about the yearlong content arc strategy as it is about the dragons themselves. Having a full year dedicated just to one story (in this case dragons) left some folks concerned that we would have less meaningful content, with just one theme stretched over a year. You seem to be feeling exactly that.
The dragons aren't common, per se, because they are only really in one zone (Elsweyr) but we have been focused there for a long time now. If players "follow the hype" of the content being released throughout the year it definitely could feel at this point as if dragons are everywhere, lol.
I love the dragons and I admittedly haven't finished the Northern Elsweyr quests yet or even started on Dragonhold, but it is true that Khajiit and dragons are pretty strongly associated in my mind right now, probably more than makes sense from a lore standpoint.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I figure it was ZOS trying to capitalize on the twin forces of Skyrim nostalgia and Game of Thrones fandom.
Its lore-friendly enough, so I don't mind it, so much as I think it was an uncreative approach to storytelling.9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭They were probably added to give people nostalgia about Skyrim being about dragons.
This, and they were part of the story line.
OP liking the 3 banner war but even though the three banner war was brought up this story and the previous ones have pretty much followed new paths as they should0 -
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✭✭✭I like Dragons, I've fought a lot...……
I especially like the Document Pouches that can drop, with the chance of those lovely Furniture Plans!
When people say to me........
"You're going to regret that in the morning"
I sleep until midday cos I'm a problem solver!2 -
AcadianPaladin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I view lore as a tool, not a restriction or weapon to beat down good ideas. So I'm fine from that aspect. What I don't like is the dragons themselves. After killing a dozen or so I concluded they are no fun and have acted accordingly. I have a fairly long list of content and foes I ignore due to little/no-notice one shot kills - and dragons are on that list.PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo2 -
OolongSnakeTea✭✭✭✭redgreensunset wrote: »
Imagine if they did mounts like they did with the Hist-Mounts from Murkmire, but dragon style."I try to create sympathy for my characters, then turn the monsters loose."– Stephen King0 -
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✭redgreensunset wrote: »
Oh man I would love the one to the right as a pet. But there may be ip issues with that.[/quote]
ZOS: Say no more.
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✭✭I honestly liked ESO better without dragons. They just have tossed them out and made them so common and focal. Just takes away from everything else in a way that feels gimmicky to me. I like the game being about the three banners war, and about the various stories that swirl around what happens in a chaotic time and an empty throne. From some of the side quests of the folks who want no part just getting caught up to the stories of kings, queens, and those grasping for power. With Abnur Tharn's quest that lead up to Elsweyr and his motivations just floundering out, I feel like the year and a lot of it's content have been somewhat vapid. As it is now, my opinion on the matter: Dragons are just a cliché trope.
It's cool man. As fun as they can be to fight, I see your point. Well said.1 -
Aigym_Hlervu✭✭✭✭✭Agreed with you BigBragg. Too much Dragon themed stuff around. Games, movies, books.. Big dragons, small dragons, black, blue, pink dragons, bad and good, Mother of Dragons, Dragonborn, Dragon Hunters, How train a Dragon guide, Ivan Drago, TES III currency - drakes, Francis Drake, Drakelow Keep in Cyrodiil, Mehrunes ***king D(r)agon, Dragon Knight Class, Dragon Fires, Dragon God of Time, Donkey's wife in the "Shrek" - a Dragon (what a twilight genius mind could ever imagine a Donkey and a Dragon merried), dragons, dragons, dragons.. Ooph.. I'm tired of them too. In my folk's legends IRL we have only two well known Dragons. We call them snakes, not dragons. They differ from those we got used to see in the screen. But we've never been that obsessed with it. It's madness..Edited by Aigym_Hlervu on November 3, 2019 10:26PM4
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✭✭✭✭✭I like the dragons. Chapters need to have some sort of event, like the Dark Anchors, Geysers, and Dragons. They present a more interesting time than world bosses.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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fastolfv_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I completely agree with poster on this one, i liked elderscrolls for the lore and the background of the long dead dragons making prophecy machines with the scrolls, skyrim felt like a last ditch effort to milk a franchise, the game was fun for a while then turned blank and repetitive. This year long event just screams we have no more ideas and we need something to keep people busy for a year while we figure it out3 -
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The year long arch is just to connect the dungeon quests with the chapter and dlc.It sounds a little to me like what you're feeling is as much about the yearlong content arc strategy as it is about the dragons themselves. Having a full year dedicated just to one story (in this case dragons) left some folks concerned that we would have less meaningful content, with just one theme stretched over a year. You seem to be feeling exactly that.
The dragons aren't common, per se, because they are only really in one zone (Elsweyr) but we have been focused there for a long time now. If players "follow the hype" of the content being released throughout the year it definitely could feel at this point as if dragons are everywhere, lol.
I love the dragons and I admittedly haven't finished the Northern Elsweyr quests yet or even started on Dragonhold, but it is true that Khajiit and dragons are pretty strongly associated in my mind right now, probably more than makes sense from a lore standpoint.
You get an slightly different dialogue on characters who has not done the dungeons in the quest.
The dragons are nice, game need harder overland content.
And yes I guess we get more of them next year.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭✭Conversely, I enjoy the addition and am enjoying the story arc. To each his own.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »Conversely, I enjoy the addition and am enjoying the story arc. To each his own.
This. What I personally don't like is the whole "three banners war" shtick. If I'd realized to begin with how much this game relies on that, I'd never have bought it; I'd still be playing Skyrim and Oblivion (well, I AM still playing both.... though not so much Skyrim right now, pretty worn down on it).0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »Conversely, I enjoy the addition and am enjoying the story arc. To each his own.
This. What I personally don't like is the whole "three banners war" shtick. If I'd realized to begin with how much this game relies on that, I'd never have bought it; I'd still be playing Skyrim and Oblivion (well, I AM still playing both.... though not so much Skyrim right now, pretty worn down on it).
Outside of Cyrodiil and some quest dialog, the game pretty much ignores the Three Banners War.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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✭✭✭✭✭Well, it's the quest dialog for the most part that gets me. As questing is generally what I do....0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »Conversely, I enjoy the addition and am enjoying the story arc. To each his own.
This. What I personally don't like is the whole "three banners war" shtick. If I'd realized to begin with how much this game relies on that, I'd never have bought it; I'd still be playing Skyrim and Oblivion (well, I AM still playing both.... though not so much Skyrim right now, pretty worn down on it).
I agree in disliking the silly 3 banners war. Having to join one or the other of a bunch of dumb losers is not fun. In Skyrim, I never did choose the Imperials or Nords since both were too stupid to recognize the real enemy. The Thalmor sat quietly laughing and waiting to step in and rule after the dumb humans killed each other off.PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo2 -
A_Silverius✭✭✭✭✭They were probably added to give people nostalgia about Skyrim being about dragons.
Which leads me to speculate that elsweyr was just a way to introduce dragons into the soon to come skyrim "chapter" in the second era!All over Tamriel, theres a sudden spike in Bosmers getting caught for their crimes. A sad day indeed... #FightForYourRite Give Bosmers back our stealth!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It sounds a little to me like what you're feeling is as much about the yearlong content arc strategy as it is about the dragons themselves. Having a full year dedicated just to one story (in this case dragons) left some folks concerned that we would have less meaningful content, with just one theme stretched over a year. You seem to be feeling exactly that.
That's rather dismissive. I think they're out of place in ESO and it has nothing to do with storyline exhaustion.
The inclusion of dragons was contentious from the time they were teased prior to Elsweyr's announcement. Many players, especially on the forums, saw it as extremely troubling at a lore level and something ZOS decided to do merely because of popular demand from Skyrim fans.4 -
Aigym_Hlervu✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »Conversely, I enjoy the addition and am enjoying the story arc. To each his own.
This. What I personally don't like is the whole "three banners war" shtick. If I'd realized to begin with how much this game relies on that, I'd never have bought it; I'd still be playing Skyrim and Oblivion (well, I AM still playing both.... though not so much Skyrim right now, pretty worn down on it).
Outside of Cyrodiil and some quest dialog, the game pretty much ignores the Three Banners War.
They've ravaged four Ebonheart Pact provinces in the Pact solo campaign, killing and raising our dead. It was a story of great tragedy and losses. Fathers lost theid sons, mothers lost their children, friends died on the battlefield. I still remember Sergeant Seyne and Captain Rana whom I could not save from death. So I wouldn't be so sure to say the War is ignored outside Cyrodiil. It is entirely a war to me. I hope sometimes they'll make a DLC so the Pact could invade those Dominion and Covenant lands so I could personally murder hundreds if not thousands of those NPC in retaliation for everything they've done to us. Untill that time I feel pleasure murdering those blue and yellow n'wah in Cyrodiil, I feel pleasure spoiling all their plans I can in Cadwell's lines. But I also understand that for those who play non-EP campaign this game might be a doll-play or a crafting simulator. One man’s meat is another man’s poison, indeed.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »Conversely, I enjoy the addition and am enjoying the story arc. To each his own.
This. What I personally don't like is the whole "three banners war" shtick. If I'd realized to begin with how much this game relies on that, I'd never have bought it; I'd still be playing Skyrim and Oblivion (well, I AM still playing both.... though not so much Skyrim right now, pretty worn down on it).
Outside of Cyrodiil and some quest dialog, the game pretty much ignores the Three Banners War.
They've ravaged four Ebonheart Pact provinces in the Pact solo campaign, killing and raising our dead. It was a story of great tragedy and losses. Fathers lost theid sons, mothers lost their children, friends died on the battlefield. I still remember Sergeant Seyne and Captain Rana whom I could not save from death. So I wouldn't be so sure to say the War is ignored outside Cyrodiil
That is pretty much "quest dialog". Nothing you do, not one thing, in the war-related zone quests has any impact. Outside of those quests, no consideration is made by the game regarding your alliance. You are free to run around Tamriel proudly announcing your Alliance affiliation and rank, and no one cares. Outside of Cyrodiil. You can be highly ranked in your alliance and be doing zone quests against your own Alliance, while announcing your rank in your own Alliance, and no one cares. Not even in Cyrodiil. You can walk right up to an enemy alliance leader, right in their home city, and no guards even care . No one cares. You can be an enemy alliance Emperor and throw mudballs at them, and all they do is slap you with a misdemeanor.
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Aigym_Hlervu✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »Conversely, I enjoy the addition and am enjoying the story arc. To each his own.
This. What I personally don't like is the whole "three banners war" shtick. If I'd realized to begin with how much this game relies on that, I'd never have bought it; I'd still be playing Skyrim and Oblivion (well, I AM still playing both.... though not so much Skyrim right now, pretty worn down on it).
Outside of Cyrodiil and some quest dialog, the game pretty much ignores the Three Banners War.
They've ravaged four Ebonheart Pact provinces in the Pact solo campaign, killing and raising our dead. It was a story of great tragedy and losses. Fathers lost theid sons, mothers lost their children, friends died on the battlefield. I still remember Sergeant Seyne and Captain Rana whom I could not save from death. So I wouldn't be so sure to say the War is ignored outside Cyrodiil
That is pretty much "quest dialog". Nothing you do, not one thing, in the war-related zone quests has any impact. Outside of those quests, no consideration is made by the game regarding your alliance. You are free to run around Tamriel proudly announcing your Alliance affiliation and rank, and no one cares. Outside of Cyrodiil. You can be highly ranked in your alliance and be doing zone quests against your own Alliance, while announcing your rank in your own Alliance, and no one cares. Not even in Cyrodiil. You can walk right up to an enemy alliance leader, right in their home city, and no guards even care . No one cares. You can be an enemy alliance Emperor and throw mudballs at them, and all they do is slap you with a misdemeanor.
Ah, that's what you mean saying "quest dialogue". Yes, indeed. That's what I dislike the most about it actually..0
