Unpopular Oppinion

Watchdog

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Conversely, I enjoy the addition and am enjoying the story arc. To each his own.

This. What I personally don't like is the whole "three banners war" shtick. If I'd realized to begin with how much this game relies on that, I'd never have bought it; I'd still be playing Skyrim and Oblivion (well, I AM still playing both.... though not so much Skyrim right now, pretty worn down on it).

Outside of Cyrodiil and some quest dialog, the game pretty much ignores the Three Banners War.

They've ravaged four Ebonheart Pact provinces in the Pact solo campaign, killing and raising our dead. It was a story of great tragedy and losses. Fathers lost theid sons, mothers lost their children, friends died on the battlefield. I still remember Sergeant Seyne and Captain Rana whom I could not save from death. So I wouldn't be so sure to say the War is ignored outside Cyrodiil. It is entirely a war to me. I hope sometimes they'll make a DLC so the Pact could invade those Dominion and Covenant lands so I could personally murder hundreds if not thousands of those NPC in retaliation for everything they've done to us. Untill that time I feel pleasure murdering those blue and yellow n'wah in Cyrodiil, I feel pleasure spoiling all their plans I can in Cadwell's lines. But I also understand that for those who play non-EP campaign this game might be a doll-play or a crafting simulator. One man’s meat is another man’s poison, indeed.

As if the Pact and the Covenant haven't wreaked the same havoc to the Dominion territories, and as if the Pact and the Dominion haven't wreaked the same havoc to the Covenant territories.

There is no "good" side among the Three Banners. War is hell...

Elsonso

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Conversely, I enjoy the addition and am enjoying the story arc. To each his own.

This. What I personally don't like is the whole "three banners war" shtick. If I'd realized to begin with how much this game relies on that, I'd never have bought it; I'd still be playing Skyrim and Oblivion (well, I AM still playing both.... though not so much Skyrim right now, pretty worn down on it).

Outside of Cyrodiil and some quest dialog, the game pretty much ignores the Three Banners War.

They've ravaged four Ebonheart Pact provinces in the Pact solo campaign, killing and raising our dead. It was a story of great tragedy and losses. Fathers lost theid sons, mothers lost their children, friends died on the battlefield. I still remember Sergeant Seyne and Captain Rana whom I could not save from death. So I wouldn't be so sure to say the War is ignored outside Cyrodiil

That is pretty much "quest dialog". Nothing you do, not one thing, in the war-related zone quests has any impact. Outside of those quests, no consideration is made by the game regarding your alliance. You are free to run around Tamriel proudly announcing your Alliance affiliation and rank, and no one cares. Outside of Cyrodiil. You can be highly ranked in your alliance and be doing zone quests against your own Alliance, while announcing your rank in your own Alliance, and no one cares. Not even in Cyrodiil. You can walk right up to an enemy alliance leader, right in their home city, and no guards even care . No one cares. You can be an enemy alliance Emperor and throw mudballs at them, and all they do is slap you with a misdemeanor.

Ah, that's what you mean saying "quest dialogue". Yes, indeed. That's what I dislike the most about it actually..

Yes. The alliance war only matters because some NPC tells you that it does.

I don't even know what Alliance most of my characters belong to. Any race, any alliance, the ultimate one fingered salute to the Three Banners War. Alliance only matters occasionally, and that is only because ZOS sometimes puts new DLC or event quest steps in some alliance city.

Aigym_Hlervu

lordrichter wrote: »

Yes. The alliance war only matters because some NPC tells you that it does.

I don't even know what Alliance most of my characters belong to. Any race, any alliance, the ultimate one fingered salute to the Three Banners War. Alliance only matters occasionally, and that is only because ZOS sometimes puts new DLC or event quest steps in some alliance city.

Yeah, it is.. Watchdog has written above

Watchdog wrote: »

As if the Pact and the Covenant haven't wreaked the same havoc to the Dominion territories, and as if the Pact and the Dominion haven't wreaked the same havoc to the Covenant territories. There is no "good" side among the Three Banners. War is hell...

And I agree with it except that "what if" part (if I understood it correctly). There is no "what if" for me - any "what if" is a game of mind. We'll talk about it when that "what if" happens, until then.. But war is really hell, though sometimes I think it is a necessary hell. War makes this world live inhabited by the players. If peace ever falls down on Tamriel putting an effective end to all the violence, all Evil, bored people will not come to such a dull world. Such a world will die because of it. This way war becomes a spring of life, though it might sound odd. It's a game, so everyone decides himself what a game to play within the rules of this fictional world.

Watchdog

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Yes. The alliance war only matters because some NPC tells you that it does.

I don't even know what Alliance most of my characters belong to. Any race, any alliance, the ultimate one fingered salute to the Three Banners War. Alliance only matters occasionally, and that is only because ZOS sometimes puts new DLC or event quest steps in some alliance city.

Yeah, it is.. Watchdog has written above

Watchdog wrote: »

As if the Pact and the Covenant haven't wreaked the same havoc to the Dominion territories, and as if the Pact and the Dominion haven't wreaked the same havoc to the Covenant territories. There is no "good" side among the Three Banners. War is hell...

And I agree with it except that "what if" part (if I understood it correctly). There is no "what if" for me - any "what if" is a game of mind. We'll talk about it when that "what if" happens, until then.. But war is really hell, though sometimes I think it is a necessary hell. War makes this world live inhabited by the players. If peace ever falls down on Tamriel putting an effective end to all the violence, all Evil, bored people will not come to such a dull world. Such a world will die because of it. This way war becomes a spring of life, though it might sound odd. It's a game, so everyone decides himself what a game to play within the rules of this fictional world.

Well, there was no "what if" part. "What if" and "as if" mean something very different.

What I meant was that your post sounded as if the Pact was the only one suffering, and as if it had not been doing the same to others.

The truth is, everywhere in Tamriel the other Alliances than the one controlling the land have been committing terrible atrocities. Hence the "no good among them" part.

VaranisArano

Watchdog wrote: »

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Conversely, I enjoy the addition and am enjoying the story arc. To each his own.

This. What I personally don't like is the whole "three banners war" shtick. If I'd realized to begin with how much this game relies on that, I'd never have bought it; I'd still be playing Skyrim and Oblivion (well, I AM still playing both.... though not so much Skyrim right now, pretty worn down on it).

Outside of Cyrodiil and some quest dialog, the game pretty much ignores the Three Banners War.

They've ravaged four Ebonheart Pact provinces in the Pact solo campaign, killing and raising our dead. It was a story of great tragedy and losses. Fathers lost theid sons, mothers lost their children, friends died on the battlefield. I still remember Sergeant Seyne and Captain Rana whom I could not save from death. So I wouldn't be so sure to say the War is ignored outside Cyrodiil. It is entirely a war to me. I hope sometimes they'll make a DLC so the Pact could invade those Dominion and Covenant lands so I could personally murder hundreds if not thousands of those NPC in retaliation for everything they've done to us. Untill that time I feel pleasure murdering those blue and yellow n'wah in Cyrodiil, I feel pleasure spoiling all their plans I can in Cadwell's lines. But I also understand that for those who play non-EP campaign this game might be a doll-play or a crafting simulator. One man’s meat is another man’s poison, indeed.

As if the Pact and the Covenant haven't wreaked the same havoc to the Dominion territories, and as if the Pact and the Dominion haven't wreaked the same havoc to the Covenant territories.

Yes and no. That the Pact is attacking the others shows up in a few side quests, but its not central to their faction story line the way the Covenant Invasion of the Pact is central to Bleakrock->Bal Foyen->Stonefalls, or the Dominion invasion of Shadowfen.

The Maomer and the Bloodthorn Cult play much the same role for AD and DC respectively, with the Pact largely relegated to quests that amount to "Oh right, there's a war on and Pact slavers are bad."

So certainly there's no "good" side in a three way war and even from the Pact side we get a close look at why they aren't the "good guys"...but in terms of personal player experiences from the quests, Pact players deal directly with DC and AD as major antagonists in their early storylines in a way that just isn't mirrored in the DC or AD questline.


(Caveat: there's some hints strewn around that the Covenant's necromancy during their invasion and the Dominion baby-killing in Shadowfen might possibly be the work of Worm Cult-corrupted moles or Veiled Heritance types. However, like most of Elder Scrolls lore its mostly left up to player interpretation. I lean towards going with the hints, since we don't see AD or DC being super horrible in their own questlines, so the hints give an explanation for some otherwise out-of-character actions from Emeric or Ayrenn's people - though that's something I didnt really pick up on until my pre-One Tamriel Pact character started doing Cadwell's Silver and Gold.)

Aigym_Hlervu

Watchdog wrote: »

Well, there was no "what if" part. "What if" and "as if" mean something very different.

What I meant was that your post sounded as if the Pact was the only one suffering, and as if it had not been doing the same to others.

The truth is, everywhere in Tamriel the other Alliances than the one controlling the land have been committing terrible atrocities. Hence the "no good among them" part.

Ah, that's what you mean. Thank you. But regarding this matter, the Pact is the only one suffering indeed. I mean the scales. The Pact did not launch a full scale invasion after all. Bleakrock - it is still under the Breton rule as far as I know. There is no entire campaign neither in the Dominion nor in the Covenant dedicated to fighting the Pact forces off. The Pact was the one to suffer the most severe casualties on its territory because of other Alliances aggression. All I want is the Pact launching the same level invasion. I'd like to see Daggerfall and Auridon in ruins, Valenwood citizens begging for mercy, burnt grounds and trees, ghosts of the fallen Covenant soldiers wandering around, Dominion and Covenant refugees running from the war. The Pact has not commited it. So I guess it is inappropriate to compare here.

GrimTheReaper45

I dont disagree with this. I dont really like the edition of dragons or at least widespread dragons. I feel like it very much conflicts with lore. If it was a dragon or a few dragons in a trial that would have been one thing.

SidraWillowsky

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

I dont disagree with this. I dont really like the edition of dragons or at least widespread dragons. I feel like it very much conflicts with lore. If it was a dragon or a few dragons in a trial that would have been one thing.

This. And I know that it somehow fits into the lore, but I don't care- I still don't like it.

Grandma

you don't have to spend time in elsweyr. Dragons aren't in any other part of the game, minus the scalebreaker dungeons