TragedyOA wrote: »

Some streamers are moving on to other games.

Yeah, because they have less subs and less follows. I'm hearing it from more than one streamer.

Like any other MMO, the sky is always falling.

There is a swell after every major 'chapter', then a fall as players find other games. There are tons of 'games as a live service' bs options out there for people. And as new games with larger hype come out, people come and go between that.

its the nature.

MMOs are like tides of the ocean. They come and go in waves. As long as the base line is growing or maintaining the population is fine.

Is ESO going into some growing pains? Yes, there is a huge combat change, and possibly more in the future, as well as a huge cycle dedicated to fixing the structure of the game, as it has the worst performance to date. People don't like that, and have options.

There is no wrong way to play or be a fan. Sometimes taking a break and waiting is just as fine, allowing yourself to spend your own free time how you want to do that. Cus after all, its your own free time.

If people are leaving it is sad, but with major change it happens. I don't like Nerfs, but ESO became a game with only a few viable builds and where only a handful of sets/skills were being used. On top of that players with almost infinite sustain makes the game bland and boring.

I remember walking through waywrest and riften and seeing SO MANY people dueling with the same skills and sets it was hard to tell them apart. And the pure ELITIST attitude that if you didn't have 810cp or running the sets/skill that the group wants you would either get kicked from dungeon/Trials or they would abandon you. Aka (No frost staff tanks, and why you no have horn)

If this is the type of people that the nerfs caused to leave I am good with it to be honest. There is more than enough casuals playing the monthly Crown Crate roulette to keep this game alive.

Faulgor wrote: »

I don't know a real solution, but I feel that ESO's player retention would benefit from new meaningful system additions, like the justice system or crafting professions. There have been enough suggestions.

For the last few years, the only content with any longevity have been dailies that drop new motifs. And being a glorified dress-up game is just not enough for an MMO, imo.

These are things I have similar experience with, and feel the same way.

I would love if they dragged out that old data mined horse race with the couriers again and did that, but I also really really want them to work on performance before any 'new content', and don't mind waiting.

but the chase and grind feels limited for me, save for as for mentioned, a few motifs to grind and maybe a title or two.

@Wayshuba Well, I haven’t played SWTOR in a long time and as I said, it may well have been losing players even then. GW2 has been a lot slower than ESO in releasing new content, but they are entirely F2P with most cash shop options costing much less. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Edit: Read the rest of your post more thoroughly and see that you did take into account the points I was going to bring up so no need!

I just never saw the point of these threads. In reference to OP’s post, if there are changes you don’t like or changes you feel are needed, that is constructive to post about. If you’re just fed up or unhappy because your friends left, maybe it’s time for you to find another game?

Yeah maybe 400 people left and 250 joined, happens. It's just how gaming is people were bit pissy with the recent patches so they "retired" but actually unretired pretty quick because in the end they are all addicts. They'll come back.

Rungar wrote: »

Eso will always have elder scrolls fans support. Perhaps they should focus on that for once.

I play purely for the lore. I read my quest, the books and love it. I could care less about skins,mounts, and titles that Veteran and Trials offer.

siddique wrote: »

So, what's the plan? All the big guilds seem to be disbanding or have disbanded on PS4, I have heard of an exodus pre dragonhold on PC as well. All the veteran players seem to have lost interest or just stopped bothering.

It's getting harder to find a good group to even do vSS. Forget vCR. Yes, there are a few groups running around doing the hardest content but it seems a huge number of population has given way.

Is this the beginning of the end? I've played on PC since 2015 and on PS4 since 2018. Things haven't been so dismal in the past 4-plus years.

P.S, I understand dps dropped considerably this patch making the end game harder than before. But most of that content was being done with even less of a damage output when it came out.

Is it perhaps because of the absolute clueless attitude of ZOS? Like triggering people because they can't figure out what they are doing patch after patch?

I'm just trying to figure out if I should invest more time and money or maybe finally move on and wait for a new Elder Scrolls

Edit: no this is not a I quit thread. I still love this game and hope that I am wrong about my feelings.

Citation needed.

psycoprophet wrote: »

Maybe if zos did smaller incremental changes as well as worked on return class identity instead of stripping it people would stay.

class identity is classist

racial attributes are racist

skill identity is skillist

guild identity is guildist

game identity is gamist


ahahahah

Endgame players are leaving the game.
The people saying "Just adapt like i did" are just casuals

according to steam charts we lost less this year in september than last year, lost more in october than last year, and have gained a lot in november for being only 2 days in.

Video games are video games man. people will always come and go, things fluctuate. the dragonhold meta genuinely is not as bad as we thought it would be [i'd almost say that's a trend at this point]. people who tell you they had to change all 12 of their gear pieces and all 12 skills and level from the ground up are exaggerating and whining for attention, and were likely going to quit anyway. dragonhold brought more class identity to the game than scalebreaker did and we didn't lose as much as we thought we would in scalebreaker. things are going well. there are issues for sure; end game pve raid guilds are struggling to find interest as dps has dropped and people are sour as they relearn their rotations, people are settling in for the """"content drought""" [i say that in quotes because people will refer to any passage of time without more dlc slapped in their face as content drought, even if that passage of time was a week, people these days are spoiled rotten] until we hear about next year in january. but in the end none of it really matters. There's always more important things to worry about. like the set audit next year; i'd express more interest and worry in that than i would in end gamers quitting cos their immortal redeemer prog stagnated.

Can we get Elon Musk to buy ESO off of zos or smthng? And maybe put zos in a rocket and shoot it in outer space? That might fix it