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Revert ice staff back to a DPS option
Somber97866
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All the tanks are using shock staves anyway.
Revert ice staff back to a DPS option 249 votes
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Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage shol
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Somber97866✭✭✭✭✭Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage sholThat last option is to change the way it works. Get rid of damage shield and make it into some kind of damage modifier3
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There's a number of players who like to have a magicka tanking option, so you'd have to propose a replacement, like an Alteration Staff.
Personally, I enjoy the Ice Staff CC and tankiness in PVP, especially Battlegrounds in Flag and Land Grab matches.11 -
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✭Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage sholWind staff for tanks.1 -
emilyhyoyeon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage sholA DESTRUCTION staff should not be a utility weapon. It doesn't make sense with how destruction magic (whether or not the magic schools have been established in the TES world at the point of the events of ESO) has appeared in the series until now. At most a destruction staff might provide elemental resistance shields.
I really hope they revert the frost destruction staff change and introduce a new staff tanking option. The most reasonable option for what the series has established so far is an alteration based staff for tanking.Edited by emilyhyoyeon on October 13, 2019 7:11PMIGN @ emilypumpkin
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TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
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YES! So much yes!Somber97866 wrote: »Revert ice staff back to a DPS option
And then... add a "tanky" staff option in a different flavor! Warding staff, anyone?
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/371862/additional-weapon-skill-ideas-mk-ii/p1
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✭✭YesEach staff should give a increase to damage of its element, so builds focus on one element instead of that weird mix we have now.EU/PC (GER) - Healermain since 2014 - 50305 Achievement Points - Youtube (PvE Healing Guides, Builds & Gameplay)5 -
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✭YesThe best defense is... destruction?EU PC: @logarifmik | Languages: Русский, English
Dimitri Frernis | Breton Sorcerer | Damage Dealer | Daggerfall Covenant
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✭✭NoThey used to be paperweights. At least now they provide utility for those who make use of them.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭While it would have made sense for Zos to create an actual magicka tanking weapon if they were actually serous about it and would have also made sense to leave the frost staff alone even though it has always been bad DPS, I doubt Zos will because it takes more work to create an actual weapon than to shoehorn a weapon to perform a different role.
As such the frost staff is woefully inferior and as they say.1 -
Irfind✭✭✭✭✭Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage sholHow about slowdown and crit ? slow helps in PvP and crit in PvE
PC EU no CP PVPEP Irfind - Stam NB DunmerEP Iswind - Mag Warden DunmerEP Ko'runa Silberklaue - Mag Temp KhajiitEP Eldrid Hagal - Mag DK DunmerEP Feyne R'is - Stam Sorc Dunmer ...with BowEP Wynn Loraethaine - Mag NB DunmerAD Runare Loraethaine - Stam Sorc AltmerAD Skadi Hagal - Stam DK Khajiit1 -
D0PAMINE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Don't careI backbar a Lightning Staff on my tank. A dps frost mage would be sick af tho.Edited by D0PAMINE on October 13, 2019 9:19PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭YesA tank with a staff should be niche and specialized. Tanks don’t use staves in any rpg setting until this one and we only started using because Zos has nerfed tanks into the mud.
Yes, I’m salty. They ruined tanking for me. Which I thought was impossible since I’m always the tank or healer in every mmo and not just in rpg settings. Yes even in FPS#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
#OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
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Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage sholDamage shol is destroying ESO.
Nerf damage shol!5 -
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✭YesYes please. Ice staves are screaming to be used and it would be fun to have another option for dps1 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
#OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
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D0PAMINE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Don't careA tank with a staff should be niche and specialized. Tanks don’t use staves in any rpg setting until this one and we only started using because Zos has nerfed tanks into the mud.
Yes, I’m salty. They ruined tanking for me. Which I thought was impossible since I’m always the tank or healer in every mmo and not just in rpg settings. Yes even in FPS
You can still double SnB. Xynode still does. I like having the option for a staff, but I wouldn't be forced to use it. I don't run a frost staff because it feels weird, but lightning feels nice to me. Just run your setup you like and you can still do any content with it.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage sholMy Ice Mage wants this.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage sholVaranisArano wrote: »There's a number of players who like to have a magicka tanking option, so you'd have to propose a replacement, like an Alteration Staff.
Personally, I enjoy the Ice Staff CC and tankiness in PVP, especially Battlegrounds in Flag and Land Grab matches.
I agree, love having a magicka option to tank, but I think it should be separate from the staff type, maybe ability morph options and/or skill lines. I’d like lightning staff to be just as viable for tanking and frost staff to be just as viable for DPS.1 -
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✭YesThey could keep the Ice staff as a Tanking/ Defensive weapon and still make it used as a DPS Weapon. The Heavy Attack passive (Tri-Focus) can be the Tank one, with block passives etc. Move HA taunt to Elemental Susceptibility and add fracture, that way you still get the benefit of HA Taunt/ Resources but also have it on a skill tanks would use. Then make Ancient Knowledge 8% Crit or DoT Damage.PS NA
Have played all classes.
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Imryll✭✭✭✭✭Yes but change the way ice works to increase damage instead of damage sholActually, I'd be fine if it could be either a DPS or a tanking weapon based on the morphs chosen. No need to remove tanking options, but ice mages deserve support.2
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Pauls✭✭✭✭✭NoI use frost staff on my healer when doing pledges with randoms. Having built in taunt is helpful when tank dies (happens rarely
but still) and I need to keep boss away from squishy DDs while they ressing tank.0 -
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✭✭✭NoNah. Having a 3rd, completely different, option with frost gives destro staves more variety, imo. Before the change it was basically just a blue version of the inferno staves. Now it has a unique place in character builds.2 -
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✭✭YesIce Staff should really be CC-based DOT damage for Soft/Off Tanks and Support DPS.
But that would require some actual thought from the Devs.
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mikemacon✭✭✭✭✭NoSomber97866 wrote: »All the tanks are using shock staves anyway.
Only those who are very, very bad at reading comprehension.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Somber97866 wrote: »All the tanks are using shock staves anyway.
Only those who are very, very bad at reading comprehension.
So, like, more than half?1 -
IndianaJames7✭✭✭✭✭NoInstead of changing the effect of each type of staffs themselves, why not change the Destro skill line passives, so that any type of staff can be used for tanking/healing/dps.
Make it a 3 level passive. Rank 1 adds dps boost, rank 2 adds group duff/ target rebuff, rank 3 helps with taunt. In that order obviously so that newbies aren’t pulling aggro right off the bat by putting passives in the wrong place not knowing any better like unknowing dps currently are doing with ice stave taunt.1
